Piers Morgan is Terrible

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

This bothers me.

When did people start taking the “daily show” as serious news? I mean, there are entire groups, of mostly young people, that get a vast majority of their exposure to news and media from this program. [/quote]

Me as well.

I watch next to no news, and when I do, it’s usually CNN, and it has nothing to do with “news anlaysis”. Modern journalism is so incredibly awful - it’s biased, but even (somewhat) independent of bias, the quality is just terrible. Some of that lack of quality is the fault of bias - witness insanely irrelevant or stupid news stories that are broadcast only because of a political bias trying to make it a bigger deal than it really is - but even when you control for that, smart reporting just seems not to exist.

If CNN were to reinvent itself as a pure, buttoned-up journalistic outfit that took great effort in the “straight news”, I think (and would like to think) it would find its way to the front of the pack in viewership. I think the American people may very well be ready to can MSNBC and FOX in favor of old, boring and trustworthy news.[/quote]

(Bolt; I posted this on another one of you replies; but I think that it fits best with this most recent reply of yours).

“CNN” could serve as a “cautionary tale” for “FOX News” (or any business for that matter) that does not continually examine itself; it’s market; and where it stands within that market.

Someone mentioned Arnett and the beginning of the First Iraq War. There is no question that at that time, “CNN” was “the” place to go for continuous and updated information about the War (or any other event). Larry King was “the King” of the “talking heads”. And their political coverage was ranked the best year in and year out. To me, what they DIDN’T see was a Conservative America that felt they didn’t have a “voice”…but Murdoch sure did.

And the rest is history.

The Cautionary Tale is that “FOX News” can make the same mistake that CNN did, by not continually re-examining itself. Now some would say that as long as there is a “MSLM” there will be a need for “FOX”; but what happens when the “Lightning Rod” of Barack Obama is no longer in office? What happens as there is more and more grumbling about there not being enough of a voice for “true” Conservatives? How sustainable is pointing out problems with very few “real” solutions? (A problem for the Left and Right).

These are rhetorical questions, but are the type of questions that any business needs to continually ask itself in order to survive.

Mufasa

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[quote]Mufasa wrote:

These are rhetorical questions, but are the type of questions that any business needs to continually ask itself in order to survive.[/quote]

Mufasa, completely agreed, and CNN is actually in what could be a very good position - maybe the soul-searching forced by there failings will push them to go into the direction they need to go.

I think people generally are getting tired of hyper-partisanship and its magnification due to the 24-7 news cycle, information technology, social media, etc. I think all that may have peaked, and CNN might be poised to fill the market need on the other side of that peak.

Some of this is hopeful thinking on my part, but I think the exhaustion is real. People are tired of everything being about politics and political bents, including every aspect of the news, and we are about to see a change.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

Today everyone from two bit comedians [/quote]

This bothers me.

When did people start taking the “daily show” as serious news? I mean, there are entire groups, of mostly young people, that get a vast majority of their exposure to news and media from this program.
[/quote]

Exactly, and when there is a protest they respond with “he’s only a comedian.” Which of course is nonsense. He’s a pop culture icon who has turned the hearts and minds of many 20 somethings toward liberalism. And there is a long list of so called comedians that are doing the same thing. [/quote]

I think a lot more people are liberals than they think.

http://distributistreview.com/mag/2012/08/liberalism-and-the-absence-of-purpose/

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[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

This bothers me.

When did people start taking the “daily show” as serious news? I mean, there are entire groups, of mostly young people, that get a vast majority of their exposure to news and media from this program. [/quote]

Me as well.

I watch next to no news, and when I do, it’s usually CNN, and it has nothing to do with “news anlaysis”. Modern journalism is so incredibly awful - it’s biased, but even (somewhat) independent of bias, the quality is just terrible. Some of that lack of quality is the fault of bias - witness insanely irrelevant or stupid news stories that are broadcast only because of a political bias trying to make it a bigger deal than it really is - but even when you control for that, smart reporting just seems not to exist.

If CNN were to reinvent itself as a pure, buttoned-up journalistic outfit that took great effort in the “straight news”, I think (and would like to think) it would find its way to the front of the pack in viewership. I think the American people may very well be ready to can MSNBC and FOX in favor of old, boring and trustworthy news.[/quote]

The “real” news is really no better or more accurate than the fake news (a la Daily Show/Colbert). Most people that want to look at real reporting do so through the internet now a days which is why I think it’s impossible for CNN to do what you’re saying (although I agree that it would be awesome to finally have just straight unfiltered news). They have to serve their corporate sponsors just like everyone else and that means filtered news with a slant.

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[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

This bothers me.

When did people start taking the “daily show” as serious news? I mean, there are entire groups, of mostly young people, that get a vast majority of their exposure to news and media from this program. [/quote]

I think the American people may very well be ready to can MSNBC and FOX in favor of old, boring and trustworthy news.[/quote]

Sign me up tomorrow please.

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That was painful to watch.

CS

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Piers Morgan is liked in the UK slightly less than gonorrhea

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[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:<<< People are tired of everything being about politics and political bents >>>[/quote]They should have thought of that before they voted for bigger government for the last 50 years. Now everything IS about “about politics and political bents” because government IS in the middle of EVERYTHING.

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[quote]Bambi wrote:Piers Morgan is liked in the UK slightly less than gonorrhea[/quote]Which doesn’t explain his pickup by CNN at all.

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What’s hard to figure out? He’s on CNN in America because Americans by and large are stupid, and equate a British accent with an education. ‘He’s British. You can trust him.’

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“American play with guns, we use them.”

  • Ukrainian national at a bar during my visit to Kiev
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http://www.mrctv.org/videos/newt-gingrich-tells-piers-morgan-you-guys-almost-sound-youre-extension-obama-campaign

Pow!

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[quote]Sloth wrote:Newt Gingrich Tells Piers Morgan 'You Guys Almost Sound Like You're An Extension of the Obama Campaign' | MRCTV
Pow![/quote]I say again. It would have been worth almost anything to see him debate Obama. It would have been Broc through the NewtOMatic liberal veggie shredder.

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[quote]Sloth wrote:
http://www.mrctv.org/videos/newt-gingrich-tells-piers-morgan-you-guys-almost-sound-youre-extension-obama-campaign

Pow![/quote]

I love the smarmy look on Morgan’s face…the moral of this story, if he is gonna argue with Newt it will not end well for him.

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:Newt Gingrich Tells Piers Morgan 'You Guys Almost Sound Like You're An Extension of the Obama Campaign' | MRCTV
Pow![/quote]I say again. It would have been worth almost anything to see him debate Obama. It would have been Broc through the NewtOMatic liberal veggie shredder.
[/quote]

Newt is a boring, unconvincing geriatric who, in Washington, should only be allowed to sit in an office and work on editing the wording of all Bills that make it to Congress.

In a Newt-Obama debate, Newt would go on the aggressive and think he’s soaring only for Obama to smile and wink at Newt’s newest GF (who would abruptly leave Newt and start dating a Democratic strategist). Obama would win by default at the end of the night because no one would remember anything Newt said.

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Oh, and it spirit of the thread, Piers Morgan does suck. But is a good source if you want EXCLUSIVE interviews with the friends, family and doctors of dead or near-dead celebrity has-beens.

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Shiff is a bit of a wing nut, but this is pretty bad too.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

Shiff is a bit of a wing nut, but this is pretty bad too.[/quote]

That was bad, but I don’t think it was that bad. I do think the video highlights one of the fundamental flaws in our media. First of all these guest come on and are interrupted 500 times. Of course they sound like idiots when every other word is interrupted.

Then when you say one thing, " I want to raise taxes here, but lower taxes here so there’s no net increase," turns into, “This guy wants to raise your taxes folks.” I mean come on how can you be that disingenuous.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
“This guy wants to raise your taxes folks.” I mean come on how can you be that disingenuous.[/quote]

This is contemporary journalism.

It appears that the public, through demand, has given the notion they want entertainment not information. I guess this is why things like the “Daily Show” are being taken serious, and people are, crazily, proud of the fact that they are being informed (I use that term loosely) by that type sitcom entertainment.

Look if I don’t care about the bias of the writer if the story reads:

“Among requests from many people, Romney still has yet to release tax returns beyond 2010 and an estimate for 2011, with a promise to release the full 2011 return once completed. The deadline for filing extended returns is October 15th. Controversey surrounds the issue, as the focus appears to be on Romney’s effective rate of tax…”

but in todays world the story reads:

“Romney must be hiding something, he won’t release tax returns beyond his 2010. He still hasn’t delivered on a promise to release the actual version of his 2011 tax return. We know he pays less than most middle class americans in tax, so reason only dictates that he is hiding much more from the american people…”

One of the above will go on to explain the different tax rates on the different forms of income, what an extension of time to file means, and offer insight into the complexity of foreign reporting. (Foreign reporting = reporting foreign income/loss to the IRS)

The other will continue to hammer home conclusions drawn for the reader based on the opinion of the writer.

Which do you feel informs people and gives them the power of knowledge?