[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
wow, steelyd
you just had roid rage, brah!!![/quote]
Take Adamdude’s advice.
Good luck with your high-action, heavy-gauge stringed acoustic, dude!
While you’re doing ‘hand strengthing’ and still trying to fret your first c-chord, my 8 year old daughter will be running arpeggios up and down the neck of a well intonated low-action, Mexican Strat. 
Drums. The drums make the ladies move their hips.
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
wow, steelyd
you just had roid rage, brah!!![/quote]
Take Adamdude’s advice.
Good luck with your high-action, heavy-gauge stringed acoustic, dude!
While you’re doing ‘hand strengthing’ and still trying to fret your first c-chord, my 8 year old daughter will be running arpeggios up and down the neck of a well intonated low-action, Mexican Strat. ;)[/quote]
I’m buying acoustic and electric though. I didnt really understand the stregnth thing…maybe they thought I didnt work out? lol
Solidbody IBANEZ and some acoustic one.
calm down, buddy!
If you’re getting an Ibanez, don’t get one with a floating bridge. They’re such a pain in the ass.
[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
wow, steelyd
you just had roid rage, brah!!![/quote]
Take Adamdude’s advice.
Good luck with your high-action, heavy-gauge stringed acoustic, dude!
While you’re doing ‘hand strengthing’ and still trying to fret your first c-chord, my 8 year old daughter will be running arpeggios up and down the neck of a well intonated low-action, Mexican Strat. ;)[/quote]
I’m buying acoustic and electric though. I didnt really understand the stregnth thing…maybe they thought I didnt work out? lol
Solidbody IBANEZ and some acoustic one.
calm down, buddy!
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Oh, I’m calm… diz iz teh interwebz. I’d just hate to know that you wasted so much time doing ‘hand strengthening’ when you could be jamming and making music.
You’ll have fun. Ibanez makes pretty good guitars across their whole pricing line. Put up some pics of the axes!
This is me a few years ago gigging with my baby (American Tele) (Pardon my then pre-bulk skinniness I had just dropped 70 lbs):
[photo]15902[/photo]
my 2 cents… buy a cheap guitar and a fuckload of theory books. Don’t buy guitar class. Spend all of your evening studying music theory, learn everything that has to be learned from pythagoras to serial music, apply it to your instrument at the same time and one day maybe if you put an insane amount of time and effort you’ll make it out of the forest
Music is not about moving your fingers on the fretboard. You could play the notes with your penis it wouldn’t make any difference, the important thing is the musical result in the air.
A good note is a good note, cheap guitar or not
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
wow, steelyd
you just had roid rage, brah!!![/quote]
Take Adamdude’s advice.
Good luck with your high-action, heavy-gauge stringed acoustic, dude!
While you’re doing ‘hand strengthing’ and still trying to fret your first c-chord, my 8 year old daughter will be running arpeggios up and down the neck of a well intonated low-action, Mexican Strat. ;)[/quote]
I’m buying acoustic and electric though. I didnt really understand the stregnth thing…maybe they thought I didnt work out? lol
Solidbody IBANEZ and some acoustic one.
calm down, buddy!
[/quote]
Oh, I’m calm… diz iz teh interwebz. I’d just hate to know that you wasted so much time doing ‘hand strengthening’ when you could be jamming and making music.
You’ll have fun. Ibanez makes pretty good guitars across their whole pricing line. Put up some pics of the axes!
This is me a few years ago gigging with my baby (American Tele) (Pardon my then pre-bulk skinniness I had just dropped 70 lbs):
[photo]15902[/photo]
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Shouldnt you be playing a Mexican Tele? D00d we can go round and round on this. I mentioned from the start we weren’t going to see eye to eye on this point. You can pee further than me. Feel better?
Theres a fair amount of people that like the idea of being able to play, pick up an axe and grind away until they get to something they cant play, then they quit playing. Wouldnt it just make sense to start with a cheap o dreadnought, see if you have what it takes to play and be really good, then drop a dime on a real instrument? Trust me, if you can crank out every mode of the major in every form using digital patterns on a dreadnought, you’ll be able to shred on an electric and make every song you ever wanted to play your bitch. Then music really gets interesting. If you want to train people to be organic jukeboxes, there is a demand for that and more power to ya. I’d rather new players have a firm and solid foundation in the basics so that they dont just play something, they put their own interpretation on it. This is the difference between average and great players.
not too difficult to play right? Check this out:
An excellent interpretation. Slow-hand starts tearing into it about 1:58 and again at 5:10. Whats wrong with advising people to start out the same way all the other great players did?
nvm, dont answer that.
KURT COBAIN WAS THE GREATEST GUITAR PLAYER EVA!!!
/my contribution to this thread
Rock, if you need help with anything, let me know.
Adambaum- you have horrible argumentative logic. If someone ACTUALLY WANTS to learn how to play, it doesn’t make a shit’s difference whether they have a mexican strat, an epiphone les paul, or some custom tele that Danny Gatton has personally jacked off onto. If someone ACTUALLY WANTS to learn, dicking around for their first couple years with an acoustic isn’t going to make them into some incredible badass that they never would have been had they started with an electric.
[quote]jasmincar wrote:
my 2 cents… buy a cheap guitar and a fuckload of theory books. Don’t buy guitar class. Spend all of your evening studying music theory, learn everything that has to be learned from pythagoras to serial music, apply it to your instrument at the same time and one day maybe if you put an insane amount of time and effort you’ll make it out of the forest
Music is not about moving your fingers on the fretboard. You could play the notes with your penis it wouldn’t make any difference, the important thing is the musical result in the air.
A good note is a good note, cheap guitar or not[/quote]
basically the same thng for workingout, cheap gym membership, lots of books/TMuscle, Dont get a personal trainer, Spend evenings studying, learn, apply it to workouts.
on a side note: Can you play music with your penis?..no homo.
This is all my $.02, others have already raised some of thes points;
I prefer electrics, so would go with a $2-300 new or used epiphone or ibanez that ‘speaks to you’ and a cheapo amp to start, instead of getting an acoustic and a cheaper electric.
take a month’s worth of night classes, so you can learn what the basic ‘rules’ are before you start breaking them. ;')
With the theory & tab books, most of the stuff you want is free online. (publishing houses will tell you that it blackens your soul, and will curse your descendants to the fourth generation if you use those sites, so no worries there.) if however you want physical books, pick them up for a buck or two at thrift stores instead of paying full price at a music shop. I’ve got bankers boxes of books that I never look at anymore.
Improvising along with recorded stuff is one of the best ways to develop your ear & timing, which IMO is more important than hitting the RIGHT chord at the WRONG time.
If you’re looking to start jamming in a band, and this is coming from someone who plays bass, but are lazy about practice, a Bass is idiot-proof, but can be a bit of a dead-end. I’m saying this not to insult Yo Momma, but in my experience, I can show up, ask what key the song is in, or look at a chord sheet, and lay the music down without any practice. On the other hand, If I’ve been playing bass for a while, when I go back to guitar, I get lazy and ‘simplify’ chords.
weighing in on the stupid finger strength argument, my P-bass has got my steel-string archtop
guitar beat.
x3 on keeping your instrument close at hand.
I’m off to sell blood and semen until I can afford the 3 grand for one of these.
[quote]andrew_live wrote:
[quote]jasmincar wrote:
my 2 cents… buy a cheap guitar and a fuckload of theory books. Don’t buy guitar class. Spend all of your evening studying music theory, learn everything that has to be learned from pythagoras to serial music, apply it to your instrument at the same time and one day maybe if you put an insane amount of time and effort you’ll make it out of the forest
Music is not about moving your fingers on the fretboard. You could play the notes with your penis it wouldn’t make any difference, the important thing is the musical result in the air.
A good note is a good note, cheap guitar or not[/quote]
basically the same thng for workingout, cheap gym membership, lots of books/TMuscle, Dont get a personal trainer, Spend evenings studying, learn, apply it to workouts.
on a side note: Can you play music with your penis?..no homo.[/quote]
There’s this guy.
I’ve heard someone playing Pink Floyd with their tongue.
As for using the penis, I only break it out if I need to span more than 9 frets or so. (or if I’m playing slap-bass)
Hold up here, Admbaum owes me 1 free interwebs. I needed that interwebs to feed my family dude.
FUCK YOU ADMBAUM!!!
[quote]admbaum wrote:
I’d rather new players have a firm and solid foundation in the basics so that they dont just play something, they put their own interpretation on it. This is the difference between average and great players.
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Nobody is arguing this point, I don’t know why you keep typing it. You’re main point has been that someone should start with a high action acoustic for ‘hand strength’.
I hope you don’t play guitar as horribly as you ‘debate’.
Why do you keep typing this? It’s like retard guitar Tourrettes Syndrome.
[quote]The other Rob wrote:
Hold up here, Admbaum owes me 1 free interwebs. I needed that interwebs to feed my family dude.
FUCK YOU ADMBAUM!!![/quote]
sorry no interwebz for you, that was a straight up 3 octave major.
a harmonic minor has a lowered 3rd and 6th and a middle east/arabic kinda flavor. I tried to find a decent vid of it but there are all these vids of these dickhead wannabe’s calling themselves professional/teachers that have the crappiest form I’ve ever seen.
this one is the least irritating. Skip to 2:20
I’ll be honest with you, I didn’t pay that much attention to the video you posted, I’d just been practicing that scale and it sounded pretty much the same. Clearly got to work on my ear!
Note to self: maybe learn musical theory some time.
EDIT: Retard guitar tourettes syndrome? Genius!
Rock, you must be my brother or something because I’m looking for a guitar right now and I still play my old saxophone from way back when.
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
[quote]admbaum wrote:
I’d rather new players have a firm and solid foundation in the basics so that they dont just play something, they put their own interpretation on it. This is the difference between average and great players.
[/quote]
Nobody is arguing this point, I don’t know why you keep typing it. You’re main point has been that someone should start with a high action acoustic for ‘hand strength’.
I hope you don’t play guitar as horribly as you ‘debate’.
Why do you keep typing this? It’s like retard guitar Tourrettes Syndrome.[/quote]
If you dont get what I’m trying to say here, you’re dumb. I can appreciate that but let me explain this a little more clear so you can understand.
If you can master an acoustic and be relatively entertaining with it, you’ll go much further and have much more longevity in music than if you cant. Too many new players hide behind effects and distortion to cover up their inadequacies and you know it. You cant possibly tell me, with your extensive experience, you haven’t noticed this.
If you havent, you’ve been asleep at the wheel and you need to visit your local guitar center and see it first hand. Its absolutely irritating and this novice musicianship has infected the music industry. For example, why in the blue fuck did Smells like teen spirit sell better than Eric Clapton - tears in heaven? Here’s a clue: it has nothing to do with musicianship. Tears in heaven is 10k times harder to play than teen spirit.
I bet your daughter already knows teen spirit. If not, she’s 1 chord shape and 4 chord positions away from…Nirvana (damn that was cheesy).
If you can play and entertain people with an acoustic, you should be able rock when you pick up an electric. Acoustics are harder to play. But if you think playing an acoustic is hard to play, wait till you try to learn a solo on an electric. I’ve been working on this song for a few years.
I’ve probably played the first solo thousands of times to get it just right and the second solo, I can get through about 70-85% ok, but rest of it takes a fair amount of …you guessed it, hand strength and speed.
Hand strength and muscle memory facilitate the “finesse” you speak of. To neglect this factor of musicianship will lead you straight into mediocrity. If you are comfortable with that, more power to ya. If you want people to know who you are by the sounds you make with a guitar, start small with a simple acoustic, roots blues like the artists I’ve previously listed, blues scales:
http://www.12bar.de/soloscal.php
the major with modes
http://www.abclearnguitar.com/major-scale.html
and learn them in E form, A form, G form, and C form at least. It may seem like a lot, but its not. Its just 7 notes. In 6 months, you’ll be able to outplay 60% of the guitar players you hear on rock radio today. Or, pick up an electric dive right into the songs you wanna play and people might know what you are playing after the same 6 months.
Electric or acoustic, do yourself a favor and learn the chords and scales a song uses and master them before you even attempt actually playing the song.
/end my contribution…again
Not sure if you’ve found your instrument yet, but Guitar (classical) is straightforward to pick up in 9 to 12 months learning all the basic notes, chords, simple songs etc. Depends what you like to hear, you may move to Electric Guitar straightaway.
Just a thought - my wife is a Piano teacher and finds adult students are more dedicated to learning than the children she teaches. Although practicing is much more difficult (cost of piano + space etc).
Definately guitar. Electric that is. Acoustic and electric is really different once you go past the beginner stage. I’d pick electric because you really have more options in term of tone, playing style and technique compared to acoustic. Depends on your taste of music obviously.
If you’re halfways serious I would look into taking some private guitar classes as well, to learn a little bit of music theory, like just how scales and chords are incorporated into each other. In stead of thinking in terms of “8th fret on the G string” you’ll think “E flat”, which will long term tremendously helps your playing and general understanding of music.
[quote]Mad_Duck wrote:
If you’re looking to start jamming in a band, and this is coming from someone who plays bass, but are lazy about practice, a Bass is idiot-proof, but can be a bit of a dead-end. I’m saying this not to insult Yo Momma, but in my experience, I can show up, ask what key the song is in, or look at a chord sheet, and lay the music down without any practice. On the other hand, If I’ve been playing bass for a while, when I go back to guitar, I get lazy and ‘simplify’ chords.
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All bassists are not wanna be guitarists. I traded my violin for bass when I was a teenager, so I could be cool, but found that I had a knack for the backline. Bass is all I do, I never pick up a guitar, the technique is different, and just not my thing. Bass ain’t no gateway drug to guitar. If you want to play guitar, start with a 6 string.
Don’t start with a bass because it’s easy, start because you want to lay down the beat and make the floor jump.