[quote]groo wrote:
The center of the Earth is metal and is at least 6,700 degrees Fahrenheit.[/quote]
define metal. and specify actual temp after you define temperature without assumptions.
Mucophagy (literally mucus-eating, also referred as picking one’s nose and eating it) is the consumption of the nasal mucus, boogers, and other detritus obtained from nose-picking.
Some research suggests that mucophagy may be a natural and even healthy activity, which exposes the digestive system to bacteria accumulated in the mucus, thereby helping to strengthen the immune system
[quote]groo wrote:
All of the continents were once connected in one huge continent know as Pangaea.[/quote]
Nothing but labels. tell be where the attom in my fingernail was back then
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]groo wrote:
Who claims science is a religion? Who is making science more than it is? Its certainly not scientists. No scientist ever believes a law of empirical science to be incontrovertible. Science does allow us to know a lot of things with a high degree of probability.
[/quote]
Many scientists do. Hawking is a good example. He not only believes that the equations are perfectible, but that we are capable of it, AND that figuring the equations will get us a glimpse of the supernatural nature of it.
And if it is to a probability, it isn’t known.[/quote]
[quote]groo wrote:
Over 800,000 earthquakes happen around the world each year[/quote]
only by convention.
[quote]groo wrote:
Our atmosphere, several layers of gases that wrap around the Earth, is about 430 miles deep[/quote]
What is about? what is several?
[quote]groo wrote:
The Earth orbits the sun as it rotates (spins) on its axis at 1,000 miles per hour.[/quote]
Wrong. 1000MPH is incorrect.
[quote]groo wrote:
Over three-fourths of all insects go through the four stages of complete metamorphosis
Etc etc etc…[/quote]
Convention. labeling something isn’t knowing it. You call a flower a rose, I call it Poop Basket. Neither is correct. Neither is wrong. Neither label proves we know anything about it.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]groo wrote:
All of the continents were once connected in one huge continent know as Pangaea.[/quote]
Nothing but labels. tell be where the attom in my fingernail was back then[/quote]
All science is is descriptions of the natural world…labels as it were…you seem to not get this. Mathematical equations aren’t empirical science btw and are known absolutely. Its only in the empirical science where probability is equated to knowing things. The book I linked you does a nice job of explaining this process…though largely I think you don’t care. I do have about 1001 more things that science knows that you can feel free to dispute though…or wait maybe its 991 now.
what the hell’s going on with the moderating? posts showing up 15 minutes late, edits being removed and so forth
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]groo wrote:
The Earth orbits the sun as it rotates (spins) on its axis at 1,000 miles per hour.[/quote]
Wrong. 1000MPH is incorrect.[/quote]
So then what is the correct speed that science does know then 
[quote]groo wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]groo wrote:
Who claims science is a religion? Who is making science more than it is? Its certainly not scientists. No scientist ever believes a law of empirical science to be incontrovertible. Science does allow us to know a lot of things with a high degree of probability.
[/quote]
Many scientists do. Hawking is a good example. He not only believes that the equations are perfectible, but that we are capable of it, AND that figuring the equations will get us a glimpse of the supernatural nature of it.
And if it is to a probability, it isn’t known.[/quote]
The first Known it lists is ravens are black. They are only by convention. Ravens are partially glossy. How much gloss is permitable and still call it “real” black is subjective. I’m sure there are also variations in the amount of some of the light being reflected. What range is acceptable and call it black are subjective.
Not to mention the abstract classification of what constitutes a raven. What really differentiates me matter of a raven from that of a swallow? nothing in science does. It’s only convention that we generally accept to help define what a raven is. And even then, that convention is subject to change for numbers of reasons. And even then, there would be gray areas. If I were to create a living breathing adult “Raven” having all the traits of one, but I made it out of dirt.
This “known” also grossly overlooks the fact that ravens could be plucked or turned inside out or painted all of which would make them not black even by their own convention.
So, no, ravens are black is not a known.
[quote]groo wrote:
Over 800,000 earthquakes happen around the world each year[/quote]
And the earth is about 6,000 years old…
Hee hee hee hee…
[quote]groo wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]groo wrote:
All of the continents were once connected in one huge continent know as Pangaea.[/quote]
Nothing but labels. tell be where the attom in my fingernail was back then[/quote]
All science is is descriptions of the natural world…labels as it were…you seem to not get this. Mathematical equations aren’t empirical science btw and are known absolutely. Its only in the empirical science where probability is equated to knowing things. The book I linked you does a nice job of explaining this process…though largely I think you don’t care. I do have about 1001 more things that science knows that you can feel free to dispute though…or wait maybe its 991 now.[/quote]
Math is empirical. 2+2=4 because in the physical world if you add 2 things to 2 things you end up with 4. That is how math is formed. Calculus is built on the behavior of the universe. derivatives and integrals are based on acceleration and velocity ect.
Now there are some non-empirical parts of math, for example i. But those only exist by convention.
[quote]groo wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]groo wrote:
The Earth orbits the sun as it rotates (spins) on its axis at 1,000 miles per hour.[/quote]
Wrong. 1000MPH is incorrect.[/quote]
So then what is the correct speed that science does know then :P[/quote]
There isn’t one. Only estimates. But it’s not possible to exactly define earth or sun anyway.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]groo wrote:
The Earth orbits the sun as it rotates (spins) on its axis at 1,000 miles per hour.[/quote]
Wrong. 1000MPH is incorrect.[/quote]
The circumference of the earth at the equator is 24901.55 miles
It goes around once a day… Well, except for that day described in that old book…
a day is roughly 24 hours…
so at the equator it’s moving a little over 1000 mph…
do to get only 1000 mph you’d have to move away from the equator a little…
Yep, seems “incorrect” to me…
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]groo wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]groo wrote:
Who claims science is a religion? Who is making science more than it is? Its certainly not scientists. No scientist ever believes a law of empirical science to be incontrovertible. Science does allow us to know a lot of things with a high degree of probability.
[/quote]
Many scientists do. Hawking is a good example. He not only believes that the equations are perfectible, but that we are capable of it, AND that figuring the equations will get us a glimpse of the supernatural nature of it.
And if it is to a probability, it isn’t known.[/quote]
The first Known it lists is ravens are black. They are only by convention. Ravens are partially glossy. How much gloss is permitable and still call it “real” black is subjective. I’m sure there are also variations in the amount of some of the light being reflected. What range is acceptable and call it black are subjective.
Not to mention the abstract classification of what constitutes a raven. What really differentiates me matter of a raven from that of a swallow? nothing in science does. It’s only convention that we generally accept to help define what a raven is. And even then, that convention is subject to change for numbers of reasons. And even then, there would be gray areas. If I were to create a living breathing adult “Raven” having all the traits of one, but I made it out of dirt.
This “known” also grossly overlooks the fact that ravens could be plucked or turned inside out or painted all of which would make them not black even by their own convention.
So, no, ravens are black is not a known.[/quote]
Read it eh? Get past the preface. Its an accurate description of why we consider things known in empirical science. If you wish to deny all knowledge that comes from empirical science simply because its only a probability you never understood it. This has always been the case. Science has always began as arguments from statistically significant syllogisms.
Listen I understand you believe a sky god is the prime mover and shaker, even if this were so it doesn’t devalue science.
If you don’t truly believe we can know anything that’s great but state it don’t hem and haw against science. Say it loud say it proud. There is no knowledge. We are all solipsists.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]groo wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]groo wrote:
Who claims science is a religion? Who is making science more than it is? Its certainly not scientists. No scientist ever believes a law of empirical science to be incontrovertible. Science does allow us to know a lot of things with a high degree of probability.
[/quote]
Many scientists do. Hawking is a good example. He not only believes that the equations are perfectible, but that we are capable of it, AND that figuring the equations will get us a glimpse of the supernatural nature of it.
And if it is to a probability, it isn’t known.[/quote]
The first Known it lists is ravens are black. They are only by convention. Ravens are partially glossy. How much gloss is permitable and still call it “real” black is subjective. I’m sure there are also variations in the amount of some of the light being reflected. What range is acceptable and call it black are subjective.
Not to mention the abstract classification of what constitutes a raven. What really differentiates me matter of a raven from that of a swallow? nothing in science does. It’s only convention that we generally accept to help define what a raven is. And even then, that convention is subject to change for numbers of reasons. And even then, there would be gray areas. If I were to create a living breathing adult “Raven” having all the traits of one, but I made it out of dirt.
This “known” also grossly overlooks the fact that ravens could be plucked or turned inside out or painted all of which would make them not black even by their own convention.
So, no, ravens are black is not a known.[/quote]
In the dark all cats are black… oooo, wait that old saying had nothnig to do with cats…
[quote]Null wrote:
[quote]groo wrote:
Over 800,000 earthquakes happen around the world each year[/quote]
And the earth is about 6,000 years old…
Hee hee hee hee…[/quote]
No, it’s only a few thousand years old, when humans invented the word.
And the mater that makes up the earth can’t be dated. But when that matter got into the defined convention of what we’d call earth is subjective.
[quote]Null wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]groo wrote:
The Earth orbits the sun as it rotates (spins) on its axis at 1,000 miles per hour.[/quote]
Wrong. 1000MPH is incorrect.[/quote]
The circumference of the earth at the equator is 24901.55 miles
It goes around once a day… Well, except for that day described in that old book…
a day is roughly 24 hours…
so at the equator it’s moving a little over 1000 mph…
do to get only 1000 mph you’d have to move away from the equator a little…
Yep, seems “incorrect” to me…[/quote]
All estimates. And all using definitions by convention, not fact.