[quote]Synthetickiller wrote:
Reminds me of ideas discussed in certain videos, but I couldn’t understand them…
…they were in German.[/quote]
George Carlin
Eugenics discussions are a phase that people seem to go through before they realize that life and relationships are not about economics. Economics is a strong factor in being alive and part of the world - but not the total meaning of it.
Reproducing needs to stop being touted as part of the American Dream. Most people I know can hardly take care of themselves, let alone a child.
[quote]skidmark wrote:
Eugenics discussions are a phase that people seem to go through before they realize that life and relationships are not about economics. Economics is a strong factor in being alive and part of the world - but not the total meaning of it.[/quote]
Next you’ll tell me that global warming is the biggest scam perpetuated upon mankind since organized religion.
[quote]MrChief wrote:
Synthetickiller wrote:
Reminds me of ideas discussed in certain videos, but I couldn’t understand them…
…they were in German.
George Carlin[/quote]
You got me, but it fits, doesn’t it?
It really scares me when people start to think this way, and its not just Hitler.
James Watson (remember Watson & Crick? DNA?)… is an advocate of eugenics…
He advocted its use a year or two ago… Some crackpot he is, he didn’t even really do his own research… gotta love secretaries stealing secrets, lol
[quote]AngryVader wrote:
Ah, I didn’t realize that’s where you were coming from. It will be good to know that for future discussions. 
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I do get into it though. Hence all the swearing and sarcasm 
[quote]Makavali wrote:
skidmark wrote:
Eugenics discussions are a phase that people seem to go through before they realize that life and relationships are not about economics. Economics is a strong factor in being alive and part of the world - but not the total meaning of it.
Next you’ll tell me that global warming is the biggest scam perpetuated upon mankind since organized religion.[/quote]
An ad hominem argument, however indirect, is still a logical fallacy.
[quote]skidmark wrote:
Makavali wrote:
skidmark wrote:
Eugenics discussions are a phase that people seem to go through before they realize that life and relationships are not about economics. Economics is a strong factor in being alive and part of the world - but not the total meaning of it.
Next you’ll tell me that global warming is the biggest scam perpetuated upon mankind since organized religion.
An ad hominem argument, however indirect, is still a logical fallacy.[/quote]
Shh, I’m trying to bash organized religion.
[quote]SeanT wrote:
How do you measure intelligence? An SAT/ACT/IQ style test? What about different types of intelligence? What if you were wrongly jailed? Do you really want the government controlling who can breed?[/quote]
Sample Intelligence Test Questions:
1.)If your child is enrolled in a school and you move or change phone numbers you should _________________.
A. Give the new updated information to the school.
B. Don’t give the new information to the school and then complain about how you never receive any communication from the teachers or administrators.
2.)If you only have 300 dollars to spend it is best to spend it on_________________.
A. School supplies for your children
B. Upgrading the sound system in your SUV
C. 300 dollar sneakers
D. A new Playstation
3.)Your child is in 4th grade. What grade is your child in?
A. 4th
B. 3rd
***I’m not kidding about number 3. I teach 4th grade and every time I talk to one of my fathers he talks about his 3rd grader. Wouldn’t be such a big deal except that this is the second time his kid is going through 4th. You’d think dad would have it by now.
Wow. Speechless but not at all surprised, unfortunately.
Situations like that put a lot of responsibility on the teacher to provide an intellectually stimulating environment that obviously isn’t being provided at home.
[quote]SeanT wrote:
Now this I do not mind, some people are really not meant to be parents.[/quote]
Well, this is true of any creature, isn’t it?
[quote]JSMaxwell wrote:
SeanT wrote:
How do you measure intelligence? An SAT/ACT/IQ style test? What about different types of intelligence? What if you were wrongly jailed? Do you really want the government controlling who can breed?
Sample Intelligence Test Questions:
1.)If your child is enrolled in a school and you move or change phone numbers you should _________________.
A. Give the new updated information to the school.
B. Don’t give the new information to the school and then complain about how you never receive any communication from the teachers or administrators.[/quote]
C. Don’t ask the idiots in the administrative office any questions, ever.
[quote]
2.)If you only have 300 dollars to spend it is best to spend it on_________________.
A. School supplies for your children
B. Upgrading the sound system in your SUV
C. 300 dollar sneakers
D. A new Playstation[/quote]
E. 15 crack rocks or one decent oz of weed.
[quote]
3.)Your child is in 4th grade. What grade is your child in?
A. 4th
B. 3rd[/quote]
C. Uhhhh.
[quote]JSMaxwell wrote:
Step 1 - Upon birth everyone has a reversible sterilization surgery performed.
Step 2 - Upon turning 20, if you are not on welfare, have not spent any time jail or juvenile hall, and can pass a test of minimum intelligence the surgery will be reversed and you may have children. If you cannot meet the conditions you will not be allowed to have children and will contribute to society by not adding to the chain of welfare recipients, criminals, and the generally stupid.
I’m a teacher and just had my first day with students. The kids were great, then I had to deal with the parents.
I’m just sayin.[/quote]
Mankind has screwed itself, ultimately. Technology has largely limited natural selection. Even birth control has made our situation worse.
The intelligent minority use birth control and limit to a few kids. The unintelligent majority don’t use birth control and as a result have a lot of kids. What do you get? more stupid people and less intelligent people per generation.
The problem with your idea is that human society is built like a pyramid. We need a large base of unskilled, below-average intelligence workers. You could implement your intelligence plan, but what person with an ACT above a 25 would like to pick up trash or mow lawns for a living?
The only way to implement your “Phase 1” would be a full automation of all simple skills. Replace all factory, basic task, and generally unskilled labor positions with machines.
just my .02
[quote]Blaze_108 wrote:
The problem with your idea is that human society is built like a pyramid. We need a large base of unskilled, below-average intelligence workers. [/quote]
The irony is that pyramids were actually built by the same kind of labor you speak of.
There may be a problem with his plan though. Who gets to decide who is intelligent enough to procreate? Aren’t the big dummies still going to get belligerent about it and put up a fight?
How about we just let nature take its course and hope the few of us intelligent of the species can find each other and form our own society and leave the morons to fight over the holy land or something?
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
How about we just let nature take its course and hope the few of us intelligent of the species can find each other and form our own society and leave the morons to fight over the holy land or something?[/quote]
IQ Tests when we abandon this planet and move to another star system?
Maybe phase one should be not allowing megalomanical morons to become teachers.
Just a thought.
[quote]JSMaxwell wrote:
SeanT wrote:
How do you measure intelligence? An SAT/ACT/IQ style test? What about different types of intelligence? What if you were wrongly jailed? Do you really want the government controlling who can breed?
Sample Intelligence Test Questions:
1.)If your child is enrolled in a school and you move or change phone numbers you should _________________.
A. Give the new updated information to the school.
B. Don’t give the new information to the school and then complain about how you never receive any communication from the teachers or administrators.
2.)If you only have 300 dollars to spend it is best to spend it on_________________.
A. School supplies for your children
B. Upgrading the sound system in your SUV
C. 300 dollar sneakers
D. A new Playstation
3.)Your child is in 4th grade. What grade is your child in?
A. 4th
B. 3rd
***I’m not kidding about number 3. I teach 4th grade and every time I talk to one of my fathers he talks about his 3rd grader. Wouldn’t be such a big deal except that this is the second time his kid is going through 4th. You’d think dad would have it by now.
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If youre making them do this quiz before they get unsterilized, how can they answer 3? they dont have a kid.
[quote]ahzaz wrote:
If youre making them do this quiz before they get unsterilized, how can they answer 3? they dont have a kid.[/quote]
Good question.
Before proposing solutions, I think it is first important to get a handle on the thing you’re intending to solve.
I presume, when you say “fix society” you’re not talking about the fact that there are more stupid people running about–although eugenics seems to be the direction this conversation has taken–after all, is there anything REALLY wrong with stupid people? Most of the “stupid” people referred to here (i.e. the father who doesn’t know what grade his son is in) is not stupid in the genetic sense, but rather stupid in the “Jesus how can you be that dense” sense. That is a sense that can be unlearned. If you tossed that guy into a jungle, he would become astute very quickly. In other words, make it important to his well-being for the man to become “smart” and he will likely do so. If not, he will miss out on those things and who cares.
Now, the common response might be: But you’re doing the man and his future child a favor by limiting his ability to reproduce. But this is somewhat akin to saying that we should legislate the food served at McDonald’s because it tends to be unhealthy. People have the right, and we as a society have the duty to let people choose for themselves; to let them make bad choices and live with the consequences. We just shouldn’t alleviate those consequences by offering Medicare sponsored gastric-bypass surgeries.
What we need to do is to intelligence a thing to be desired in the populous, so that ordinary men, or even less fortunate men, may achieve through simply out-working the more talented. Then we have a group of citizens who have the right to be great or be worthless and the freedom to choose which they want to be.
How we empower intelligent/hardworking people is a much longer conversation however. But I do not think eugenics is the answer.
The truly intelligent exploit the underclass and insulate themselves from the undesirables.
I’m not sitting here renting $5,000/month units, it’s all about the Section 8 family of six paying $700/month…