[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
While I agree granting whales constitutional rights to be foolish I also think it more foolish to grant Corporations Constitutional rights [/quote]
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such a clever boy:)
[quote]lanchefan1 wrote:
Saw this and just waid WTF?
http://news.yahoo.com/peta-lawsuit-seeks-expand-animal-rights-222219887.html[/quote]
The major ramification of this type of legislation is scope. Let us say that they pull it off and that right of animals become part of our lexicon. Then what about animals themselves? If, e.g., killing an animal for food counts as murder, what if another animal does it? Do we start putting cats and dogs in the slammer?
A more long-term approach would have a world in which everything natural is forbidden as illegal. Predators are incarcerated automatically for aggressive behavior and the highest moral purpose would be to turn everything into a gigantic parking lot as a matter of social justice. Quixotically, Evolution then would also presumably be an abomination and regulated.
Perhaps the Borg of Start Trek fame are what PETA is unwittingly aiming for…
– jj
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
While I agree granting whales constitutional rights to be foolish I also think it more foolish to grant Corporations Constitutional rights [/quote]
Disagree. And mightily too. The US system recognizes that groups of people can come together for various purposes, such as economic, charitable, recreational. Only under US law generally do groups have protection. This fits in with the US thinking that grass roots movements are the fundamental part of the political process. True corporations do things we don’t like just like some people do. This is different from illegal behavior which is called criminal behavior and it is as fallacious to deny everyone rights and due process based on the assumption that everyone is a crook. Mostly left-wing political theories deny that any group other than the government is legitimate. This is why in a lot of communist countries, having three or more people come together for any purpose was considered treason. One recent and very revealing book pointed out that the lack of corporate law under Sharia in Middle Eastern countries was the number one reason they have done so poorly economically. See under Sharia either party may dissolve a contract without the consent of the other party. The insistence on due process between groups in the US as between individuals forces everyone to play fair.
There are, by the way, many corporations that are well run and do good. Try Amazon or Starbucks. Walmart too. All the people I know who have worked for them really liked them and they’ve done a lot more for helping the poor make ends meet than the government has in recent memory.
And as always, I might just be full of shit…
– jj
[quote]jj-dude wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
While I agree granting whales constitutional rights to be foolish I also think it more foolish to grant Corporations Constitutional rights [/quote]
Disagree. And mightily too. The US system recognizes that groups of people can come together for various purposes, such as economic, charitable, recreational. Only under US law generally do groups have protection. This fits in with the US thinking that grass roots movements are the fundamental part of the political process. True corporations do things we don’t like just like some people do. This is different from illegal behavior which is called criminal behavior and it is as fallacious to deny everyone rights and due process based on the assumption that everyone is a crook. Mostly left-wing political theories deny that any group other than the government is legitimate. This is why in a lot of communist countries, having three or more people come together for any purpose was considered treason. One recent and very revealing book pointed out that the lack of corporate law under Sharia in Middle Eastern countries was the number one reason they have done so poorly economically. See under Sharia either party may dissolve a contract without the consent of the other party. The insistence on due process between groups in the US as between individuals forces everyone to play fair.
There are, by the way, many corporations that are well run and do good. Try Amazon or Starbucks. Walmart too. All the people I know who have worked for them really liked them and they’ve done a lot more for helping the poor make ends meet than the government has in recent memory.
And as always, I might just be full of shit…
– jj[/quote]
I would agree that groups and Corporations should be protected but the rights of humans should supercede that of as group or corporation. Corporations used the 14th amendment to gain personhood status . That was intended or at least sold to legalize personhood for black people .
I am not anti Corporation, I have owned three to date and am considering two more .