[quote]AssOnGrass wrote:
belligerent wrote:
Vote for the lesser evil or don’t vote at all. Bob Barr is a jackass, Chuck Baldwin a theocrat. A third party vote is an utterly wasted vote anyway.
Please explain your reasoning.
People obviously know they are not going to win but if you don’t want either major candidate in office who do you vote for? I not voting for any cunt-flap that voted for the bailout.[/quote]
There is no point in voting for someone who has a 0% chance of winning. You are either going to have Obama or McCain in office next year so you should pick whichever one you hate less… I’m leaning toward McCain just because I’m shit scared of universal healthcare.
[quote]belligerent wrote:
AssOnGrass wrote:
belligerent wrote:
Vote for the lesser evil or don’t vote at all. Bob Barr is a jackass, Chuck Baldwin a theocrat. A third party vote is an utterly wasted vote anyway.
Please explain your reasoning.
People obviously know they are not going to win but if you don’t want either major candidate in office who do you vote for? I not voting for any cunt-flap that voted for the bailout.
There is no point in voting for someone who has a 0% chance of winning. You are either going to have Obama or McCain in office next year so you should pick whichever one you hate less… I’m leaning toward McCain just because I’m shit scared of universal healthcare.
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Negative, there is a point. No one will ever vote third party until people vote for third parties and make them feasible.
[quote]Mikeyali wrote:
belligerent wrote:
AssOnGrass wrote:
belligerent wrote:
Vote for the lesser evil or don’t vote at all. Bob Barr is a jackass, Chuck Baldwin a theocrat. A third party vote is an utterly wasted vote anyway.
Please explain your reasoning.
People obviously know they are not going to win but if you don’t want either major candidate in office who do you vote for? I not voting for any cunt-flap that voted for the bailout.
There is no point in voting for someone who has a 0% chance of winning. You are either going to have Obama or McCain in office next year so you should pick whichever one you hate less… I’m leaning toward McCain just because I’m shit scared of universal healthcare.
Negative, there is a point. No one will ever vote third party until people vote for third parties and make them feasible.
mike
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I’m voting third party. 100 perfuckingcent. No way am I casting a vote for Obama or…who is it? Who cares. I’m sickened by the choices. People are voting for Obama for change? Collect your fucking quarters at the door you fools. As for MCain supporters… you lot have serious problems.
Voting in more of the same and some stupid fucking bitch as back up. Palin couldn’t even come to this board and talk any sense, you’d have torn her to pieces by now. Easily. She couldn’t even hack T-Nation, not on her best day. Yet you think she could handle the world? What a bunch of delusional pussy whipped cunts you are. You all disappoint me. Seriously. Grow a pair. Become Libertarians and make a difference. Or just kill yourselves. Either way.
[quote]belligerent wrote:
AssOnGrass wrote:
belligerent wrote:
Vote for the lesser evil or don’t vote at all. Bob Barr is a jackass, Chuck Baldwin a theocrat. A third party vote is an utterly wasted vote anyway.
Please explain your reasoning.
People obviously know they are not going to win but if you don’t want either major candidate in office who do you vote for? I not voting for any cunt-flap that voted for the bailout.
There is no point in voting for someone who has a 0% chance of winning. You are either going to have Obama or McCain in office next year so you should pick whichever one you hate less… I’m leaning toward McCain just because I’m shit scared of universal healthcare.
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By your rationale since I live in RI and McCain has no chance of winning there is 0 point in voting for president.
So the question is should I vote for Barr or Paul? Where is the dissatisfied vote going to go? Ron Paul has endorsed the Constitution party guy but I doubt most Paulies are going to vote for him.
mike
Seven Principles of the Constitution Party are:
Life: For all human beings, from conception to natural death;
Liberty: Freedom of conscience and actions for the self-governed individual;
Family: One husband and one wife with their children as divinely instituted;
Property: Each individual’s right to own and steward personal property without government burden;
Constitution: and Bill of Rights interpreted according to the actual intent of the Founding Fathers;
States’ Rights: Everything not specifically delegated by the Constitution to the federal government is reserved for the state and local jurisdictions;
American Sovereignty: American government committed to the protection of the borders, trade, and common defense of Americans, and not entangled in foreign alliances.
I don’t know yet. I know it won’t be for either McCain or Obama.
[EDIT: Maybe George Phillies. The NH Libertarian nominee]
So the question is should I vote for Barr or Paul? Where is the dissatisfied vote going to go? Ron Paul has endorsed the Constitution party guy but I doubt most Paulies are going to vote for him.
mike
Seven Principles of the Constitution Party are:
Life: For all human beings, from conception to natural death;
Liberty: Freedom of conscience and actions for the self-governed individual;
Family: One husband and one wife with their children as divinely instituted;
Property: Each individual’s right to own and steward personal property without government burden;
Constitution: and Bill of Rights interpreted according to the actual intent of the Founding Fathers;
States’ Rights: Everything not specifically delegated by the Constitution to the federal government is reserved for the state and local jurisdictions;
American Sovereignty: American government committed to the protection of the borders, trade, and common defense of Americans, and not entangled in foreign alliances.
I don’t know yet. I know it won’t be for either McCain or Obama.
[EDIT: Maybe George Phillies. The NH Libertarian nominee]
The Constitutional party is openly theocratic. Their explicitly stated position is to rule the country according to the Bible. That includes executing homosexuals, etc.
If you are going to vote, then it only makes sense to vote for a candidate who has a chance to win. When the election is over you will be stuck withe either Obama or McCain, so it is only logical to vote for the lesser evil.
On the other hand, if you don’t want to vote for either of the mainstream candidates, and you conclude that you are not going to bother voting at all, then you may as well vote for a third-party candidate. After all, it won’t hurt anything, and you’ll just be supporting a cause you believe in, right?
But then you’re back to voting again, so it only makes sense to vote for viable candidate.
If you are going to vote, then it only makes sense to vote for a candidate who has a chance to win. When the election is over you will be stuck withe either Obama or McCain so it is only logical to vote for whichever one you hate less.
On the other hand, if you can’t bring yourself to cast a vote for either of the mainstream candidates, and you decided not to vote at all, then you may as well vote for a third-party candidate. After all, it won’t hurt anybody, and you’ll just be supporting a cause you believe in.
But then you’re back to voting again, so it only makes sense to vote for a cadidate who can win. [/quote]
[quote]dhickey wrote:
It’s also making a statement to the Republican Party. If they lose they will certainly be looking at votes they could or should have gotten. The more people vote Libertarian or Constitution, the more they will take notice and hopefully go back to being conservatives.
Probably won’t happen until these two groups are larger than the independant voter block, but that’s what I will be doing for the foreseable future.[/quote]
Exactly! People sit around and complain about how badly they want something to change – and what is their solution? do the exact same thing they have always done.
People that say it is a wasted vote do not see the big picture. Dividing political power up into more diverse ideologies will only occur over time in the market of ideas. By focusing only on the next four years and how bad it could be by “tossing ones vote away” they neglect the longer term process of changing ideas. The media doesn’t pay attention to third parties because the voting public doesn’t.
If you don’t vote your conscious you ARE wasting your vote because your voice is not really being heard.
If you are going to vote, then it only makes sense to vote for a candidate who has a chance to win. When the election is over you will be stuck withe either Obama or McCain so it is only logical to vote for whichever one you hate less.
On the other hand, if you can’t bring yourself to cast a vote for either of the mainstream candidates, and you decided not to vote at all, then you may as well vote for a third-party candidate. After all, it won’t hurt anybody, and you’ll just be supporting a cause you believe in.
But then you’re back to voting again, so it only makes sense to vote for a cadidate who can win. [/quote]
Nonsense.
Your vote does not matter, period.
Why not vote for someone that actually stands for something you believe in?
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
belligerent wrote:
so it only makes sense to vote for a cadidate who can win.
Why don’t you think longer term than just the next four years?
“Suck up” an Obama win and make a statement to the conservative movement.[/quote]
On one hand, I appreciate the need to reject the neoconservative movement. On the other hand, I’m shit scared of universal healthcare, which, once established, will never be abolished during my lifetime.