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[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

Armed robbery with a gun is reasonable.

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By everything we consider moral no it’s not. We can reasonably see it is not moral.

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No we can’t. [/quote]

We do it all the time.

The Bible is the source of your morals correct?

What if someone breaks into your home and attacks you? Is killing in self-defense wrong?

If you believe the Bible the source of your morality and the Bible says thou shalt not kill, how did you come to the conclusion killing in self defense is okay?[/quote]

Please answer this.

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[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

You only need very simple beginnings.

Life is preferable to death, pleasure is preferable to pain etc.
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But a life with no risks, and not one worth living. Sorry, we aren’t Vulcans.
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You build upon these very simple beginnings.

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If you want. And even if you do, it might still end with ‘stay alive but take the other guy’s stuff, and I’m willing to take the chance.’ So long as one is of sound mind, it’s nothing but risk vs reward.

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[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

Armed robbery with a gun is reasonable.

[/quote]

By everything we consider moral no it’s not. We can reasonably see it is not moral.

[/quote]

No we can’t. [/quote]

We do it all the time.

The Bible is the source of your morals correct?

What if someone breaks into your home and attacks you? Is killing in self-defense wrong?

If you believe the Bible the source of your morality and the Bible says thou shalt not kill, how did you come to the conclusion killing in self defense is okay?[/quote]

Please answer this.[/quote]

Killing is different from self-defense. And before you say ANYTHING further, you might recheck the bible.

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[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:
Okay, this argument isn’t going anywhere, I’m uninterested in repeating myself.

Yes Sloth, armed robbery is “reasonable” and we can’t figure out without god that it isn’t.

You got me.[/quote]

We can figure out without God that it will fuck up a society when we dont act against it.

Does not change that a few hundred bucks for 4 minutes work is quite beneficial to the robber.

You argue as if their was only one ethical system, you closet Christian and yet you do not even dare to define it.

On top of it you seem to have a problem with people who give a clear definition of what their values are and where they come from.

I dont know man…[/quote]

I am okay with moral absolutes in a limited context. Within the context of the situation and primarily we’re dealing with human beings and thinking minds. [/quote]

In these cases we really dont.

Depending on where you start from you can come to all kind of conclusions regarding ethical matters and those starting points need to come from somewhere.

You do not float above the waters and determine ethical principles rationally, you have a starting point as anyone else does.

Christians know theirs, do you know yours?[/quote]

You only need very simple beginnings.

Life is preferable to death, pleasure is preferable to pain etc.
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THAT… is, well, I would like to say a lie, but lets just say that it is not self evident.

If you look up Nietzsches polemic regarding ethical systems, whose name completely escapes me right now, there used to be more than a Christian morality, which is basically a slave morality, there also was a morality of manly virtue, strife, endurance and conquest.

And that is not even mentioning the point that Prof X would eat your dog if you claimed that pleasure was preferable to pain, always.

Or that there ever was a sentence uttered like “give me liberty or give me death”. Assuming of course that liberty would have been preferred, but some people did prefer to die as a free man than to live as a slave and who are you to say that they were wrong?

I am not saying that those were not in the minority, just that all others are pussies.

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[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

Armed robbery with a gun is reasonable.

[/quote]

By everything we consider moral no it’s not. We can reasonably see it is not moral.

[/quote]

No we can’t. [/quote]

We do it all the time.

The Bible is the source of your morals correct?

What if someone breaks into your home and attacks you? Is killing in self-defense wrong?

If you believe the Bible the source of your morality and the Bible says thou shalt not kill, how did you come to the conclusion killing in self defense is okay?[/quote]

Please answer this.[/quote]

Thou.

Shalt.

Not.

MURDER.

Answered?

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Okay fine.

What about lying is that immoral to you?

(Thou shalt not bear false witness)

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[quote]therajraj wrote:
Okay fine.

What about lying is that immoral to you?

(Thou shalt not bear false witness)[/quote]

That is a very specific form of lying you know.

“oh, you look great today”—meh

“oh, did you hear that X beats his wife”— no

edit: assuming of course that X did not beat his wife.

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^ you confuse me.

If you were in Nazi Germany and an SS officer came up to you and asked if you knew where Anne Frank was hiding (you did) would you lie? You are fairly certain you would be able to get away with this lie.

If your answer is 'yes" how do you determine that it is okay to lie in this instance?

OKay seriously, I need to get shit done, logging off now!

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[quote]therajraj wrote:
^ you confuse me.

If you were in Nazi Germany and an SS officer came up to you and asked if you knew where Anne Frank was hiding (you did) would you lie? You are fairly certain you would be able to get away with this lie.

If your answer is 'yes" how do you determine that it is okay to lie in this instance?

OKay seriously, I need to get shit done, logging off now![/quote]

Okay, seriously, if he asked me to bear false witness I should be against it, were I a Christian.

I would be under no obligation to tell him where she is.

Then again I am not a Christian and I would lie as if I had invented lying myself.

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In RE: to lying , you would have to consider the consequences . Under normal circumstances lying is imoral

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:
In RE: to lying , you would have to consider the consequences . Under normal circumstances lying is imoral [/quote]

Says you.

Bu if you drag the 10 commandments into this, well, reading what actually is written helps.

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[quote]therajraj wrote:
^ you confuse me.

If you were in Nazi Germany and an SS officer came up to you and asked if you knew where Anne Frank was hiding (you did) would you lie? You are fairly certain you would be able to get away with this lie.

If your answer is 'yes" how do you determine that it is okay to lie in this instance?

OKay seriously, I need to get shit done, logging off now![/quote]

Lets make this easier:

Thou shalt not slander.

Better?

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The Ten Commandments for the modern age:

  1. Don’t.
  2. Don’t.
  3. Don’t.
  4. Don’t.
  5. Don’t.
  6. Don’t.
  7. Don’t.
  8. Don’t.
  9. Don’t.
  10. Don’t.
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[quote]Makavali wrote:
The Ten Commandments for the modern age:

  1. Don’t.
  2. Don’t.
  3. Don’t.
  4. Don’t.
  5. Don’t.
  6. Don’t.
  7. Don’t.
  8. Don’t.
  9. Don’t.
  10. Don’t.[/quote]

Well you know how it is with religious texts, golden rule plus footnotes.

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
In RE: to lying , you would have to consider the consequences . Under normal circumstances lying is imoral [/quote]

Says you.

Bu if you drag the 10 commandments into this, well, reading what actually is written helps. [/quote]

You are correct , it is my opinion and just as I believe it is wrong to kill another person
I also believe there are times it is justified. And that may or may not include a Government sanctioned war

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Welp, it looks like another one.

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