[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
I thought the Bible was supposed to teach compassion and understanding?
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Well then, that would explain your confusion, wouldn’t it?
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:<<< This is really all that matters. >>>[/quote]Is that really all that matters Chris? Numbers?
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Regarding the topic at hand and the reason Chris posted this sentence in the context of this thread, yes, it is all that matters.
Gotta agree with Mak here, Tirib. I am fairly certain Chris does not base his assessment of the Catholic Church upon membership statistics.
The reason raw numbers were introduced were because a liberal, apparently somewhat unhinged Cardinal was suggesting that the Church “NEEDS” to reform in order to, well, I guess make sure her numbers keep growing. Chris and I, among others, have been attempting to demonstrate that the numbers are doing just fine, thank you. That’s all. And even if they weren’t, it still wouldn’t matter.
You’re making it appear that Chris is saying what Cardinal Martini is pushing. It’s just the opposite, in fact.
Gotcha?
Ok, but but it was actually an honest question. I didn’t have time to think real deeply about it then and it didn’t seem like something Chris would say. I apologize. Hastily and poorly phrased. I didn’t really mean anything buy it.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:<<< This is really all that matters. >>>[/quote]Is that really all that matters Chris? Numbers?
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Yes, I do find that saving more souls is optimal. Sorry, I’m unapologetic about the salvation of the entire world and you’re more worried about the tapestries and light fixtures in your invisible Church.
[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
It’s funny reading these threads and seeing the purported religious men of T-Nation succumb to calling religious men who have non-traditionalist views as “liberal loons” and other derogatory terms.
I thought the Bible was supposed to teach compassion and understanding?
Christianity and the Church have evolved over time, there is no denying that and it will continue to evolve to catch up with the times.
The Muslims on the other hand are still stoning and decapitating people (although they are transforming their views on women, albeit very slowly). [/quote]
“The fact that they posted this after he was dead is very telling” is the only thing I’ll say more about this incident.
[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
It’s funny reading these threads and seeing the purported religious men of T-Nation succumb to calling religious men who have non-traditionalist views as “liberal loons” and other derogatory terms.
I thought the Bible was supposed to teach compassion and understanding?[/quote]
Yes, you’re forgetting half the verse though. Liberals hate double commandments. Definition of pure RELIGION:
- to visit orphans and widows in their affliction, and 2) to keep oneself unstained from the world.
The second part of this commandment…follow the DIVINE LAW. Yes, LAW, L-A-W. God has one, either you follow it or you don’t. If you don’t there is consequences, so follow it. Everyone is doing it, do it now, just do it.
You can complain about law limiting you and being not understanding, but the law understands. It does, I promise, because the law is a person, and not only are you supposed to follow it you’re supposed to fulfill it. And, be perfect as your heavenly father is perfect. So, not only do you say the Creed every sunday but every fiber of your body winces when you realise you’re in error and correct yourself. Not because you fear breaking the law, but knowing that the law is the only way to true happiness.
You can get pissed off at the law, flip the bird at the law, go against it at every turn even though you know you’re supposed to follow it because of the fact that it is the law, but at the end…all you’re doing is choosing not to be happy. If someone gives you an invitation to their wedding, it does you no good to feign rebellion against those directions, because in the end the wedding has the booze and cake and you just end up in East St. Louis instead.
Yes, ever new and ever old. Just call me St. Augustine. I’m glad you pointed this out, but the fact remains that as a divinely protected institute one thing can’t change…the fact that the Church has the truth and the Church will tell the world this truth and propose that they follow it as it is the only way to everlasting happiness.
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:<<< all you’re doing is choosing not to be happy. >>>[/quote]Ok, this time I’m serious. Please tell me you don’t really mean this, which I can’t believe you do.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:<<< all you’re doing is choosing not to be happy. >>>[/quote]Ok, this time I’m serious. Please tell me you don’t really mean this, which I can’t believe you do.
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Yes, there is free will or are you referring to something else, maybe an omitted word on my part?
ALL he is doing is choosing not to be happy. That’s what the gospel is about? Being happy? I’m gonna stop there and let you clarify lest I be accused of toolishness by Mak again.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
ALL he is doing is choosing not to be happy. That’s what the gospel is about? Being happy? I’m gonna stop there and let you clarify lest I be accused of toolishness by Mak again.[/quote]
Yes, that is all the Gospel is about, Eternal Happiness. There is an end in mind and there is one narrow means to that end. Either you fulfill it by the Grace of God or you actively work against that Grace.