Palin, Walters and the Presidency

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

Okay, how about this? I win, and no mention ever again of the mythical liberal media. You win, and I will concede that point to you, along with any argument you make that follows from the premise that the media is liberal. But if I win, you must concede any argument that springs forth from the premise that the media is at least as conservative as it is liberal. Deal? Internet shake on it?[/quote]

No deal the mainstream media IS liberal. I’ve shown the data umpteen times, and on top of that it is also obviously observational. I will never stop mentioning that until it changes.

So, what can we bet? How about no posting in the PW section for one month? I can do that and actually make my life better by doing more work and no posting during that time period. But of course for any of this to happen Palin would have to actually run.

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

Okay, how about this? I win, and no mention ever again of the mythical liberal media. You win, and I will concede that point to you, along with any argument you make that follows from the premise that the media is liberal. But if I win, you must concede any argument that springs forth from the premise that the media is at least as conservative as it is liberal. Deal? Internet shake on it?[/quote]

No deal the mainstream media IS liberal. I’ve shown the data umpteen times, and on top of that it is also obviously observational. I will never stop mentioning that until it changes.

So, what can we bet? How about no posting in the PW section for one month? I can do that and actually make my life better by doing more work and no posting during that time period. But of course for any of this to happen Palin would have to actually run.
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Well, I go through phases where I don’t visit this particular forum for months at a time, so for me that wouldn’t be much of a wager. I’ll tell you what. I think that the chances of her winning any primaries are slim to none, so we’ll handicap this thing. If she wins a primary, I’ll leave this forum for good. If she doesn’t win any, you leave the forum for one month AND you have to concede that the data that I have provided to back my claim that the media is as conservative as it is liberal carries some merit. You won’t have to concede your point entirely, but you’ll have to acknowledge that I’m not completely off my rocker when I make this claim.

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

Okay, how about this? I win, and no mention ever again of the mythical liberal media. You win, and I will concede that point to you, along with any argument you make that follows from the premise that the media is liberal. But if I win, you must concede any argument that springs forth from the premise that the media is at least as conservative as it is liberal. Deal? Internet shake on it?[/quote]

No deal the mainstream media IS liberal. I’ve shown the data umpteen times, and on top of that it is also obviously observational. I will never stop mentioning that until it changes.

So, what can we bet? How about no posting in the PW section for one month? I can do that and actually make my life better by doing more work and no posting during that time period. But of course for any of this to happen Palin would have to actually run.
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Well, I go through phases where I don’t visit this particular forum for months at a time, so for me that wouldn’t be much of a wager. I’ll tell you what. I think that the chances of her winning any primaries are slim to none, so we’ll handicap this thing. If she wins a primary, I’ll leave this forum for good. If she doesn’t win any, you leave the forum for one month AND you have to concede that the data that I have provided to back my claim that the media is as conservative as it is liberal carries some merit. You won’t have to concede your point entirely, but you’ll have to acknowledge that I’m not completely off my rocker when I make this claim.[/quote]

Noooooo, like I said earlier I don’t want you to leave this forum. If there were a list of people that I’d like to see leave this forum (and I don’t have one) you’d be near the bottom. And like I said the media is liberal and there is no point in going there. I did some pretty exhaustive research a few years back and it turned out that they were more liberal than even I thought.

So, we are back to square one. Let’s just call it a gentleman’s bet and go from there. No?

Okay Zeb, you’re on. Of course, after all this she probably won’t even run in the first place.

[quote]DBCooper wrote:
Okay Zeb, you’re on. Of course, after all this she probably won’t even run in the first place.[/quote]

I’m hoping you’re right.

Awww man! I think your bet should should be that the loser ends their post with praise towards the winner on every post for a month. Such as “Zeb is all that is man” or “DBCooper’s IQ is that of Einstein.” However, I too hope that she doesn’t run. Anybody that lets their daughter do “dancing” and agrees to put their family on a reality show doesn’t belong in office.

[quote]AdamDrew wrote:
Awww man! I think your bet should should be that the loser ends their post with praise towards the winner on every post for a month. Such as “Zeb is all that is man” or “DBCooper’s IQ is that of Einstein.” However, I too hope that she doesn’t run. Anybody that lets their daughter do “dancing” and agrees to put their family on a reality show doesn’t belong in office. [/quote]

I like it! How about it Zeb? Loser has to heap praise on the winner at the end of every post for a month.

Palin wouldn’t make it out of the primary for a number of reasons, not the least of which is her lack of experience. Here is a woman light on professional accomplishments, and when she did have a plum position (governor of a large state), she resigned.

Primaries are brutal - your teammates are now your opponents - and other GOP candidates are going to be happy to destroy her own her lack of experience and even compare her to Obama. And the GOP simply will not allow the 2012 candidate to have the flaw of lack of resume and experience. Given that advantage, it’d be electoral suicide.

Prior to being elected President, Obama had an undistinguished career. As a lawyer, nothing to write home about. As a community organizer, nothing compelling. As a professor, he wrote nothing of substance, nor did he use his pedestal at the University of Chicago as a way of litigating big-national cases that interested him. As a state legislator, a dull record famous only for its perpetual dodge of controversial votes. As a Senator, he was never a leader nor did he sponsor or shepherd through any meaningful legislation.

Then Obama is elected - and, in terms of governance, he has done very poorly. Don’t take my word for it - I’ve spoken to a number of Democratic friends (who serve in public office and in the party) who say the theme is fairly persistent, even in urban enclaves: Obama ain’t big enough for the job, and never was. He was always interesting to the flake wing of the party, but really wasn’t anything more than a guy who made good grades at prestigious schools.

The GOP can’t waste this opportunity to contrast Obama’s thin resume and underwhelming performance as chief magistrate on Palin, who is guilty of the exact same sins. No way the delegates would ever let her escape the primaries as the candidate. Once Palin took the stage, the over/under for a fellow GOP candidate to say “we can’t afford to put someone else in the Oval Office with such a weak resume - look at what that got us in 2008” is about 15 seconds.

Zeb, I can be your proxy. I’m just east of Sacramento. I can tell you how great the dinner is if you win, and send you a bill if you lose!

most recent Quinnipiac poll on republican primary. I think the most interesting thing is that the only candidate who would beat Obama based on that poll is Romney. Click through to the real release to see some other kinda interesting data.

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]AdamDrew wrote:
Awww man! I think your bet should should be that the loser ends their post with praise towards the winner on every post for a month. Such as “Zeb is all that is man” or “DBCooper’s IQ is that of Einstein.” However, I too hope that she doesn’t run. Anybody that lets their daughter do “dancing” and agrees to put their family on a reality show doesn’t belong in office. [/quote]

I like it! How about it Zeb? Loser has to heap praise on the winner at the end of every post for a month.[/quote]

DEAL!

Here’s what I am agreeing to: If Palin runs in a full primary season I say she will win at least one primary and you are saying that she will not win any primaries. If she does not run the bet is off. If she ties someone for first place it’s still a win for Palin. Can you think of any other clarification we need? Other than no sarcastic praise’s and you know what I mean, LOL.

[quote]Rockscar wrote:
Zeb, I can be your proxy. I’m just east of Sacramento. I can tell you how great the dinner is if you win, and send you a bill if you lose![/quote]

You’d do that for me? No man, I can’t ask you to eat an entire steak dinner for me it’s just too much of a sacrifice on your part. :wink:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]AdamDrew wrote:
Awww man! I think your bet should should be that the loser ends their post with praise towards the winner on every post for a month. Such as “Zeb is all that is man” or “DBCooper’s IQ is that of Einstein.” However, I too hope that she doesn’t run. Anybody that lets their daughter do “dancing” and agrees to put their family on a reality show doesn’t belong in office. [/quote]

I like it! How about it Zeb? Loser has to heap praise on the winner at the end of every post for a month.[/quote]

DEAL!

Here’s what I am agreeing to: If Palin runs in a full primary season I say she will win at least one primary and you are saying that she will not win any primaries. If she does not run the bet is off. If she ties someone for first place it’s still a win for Palin. Can you think of any other clarification we need? Other than no sarcastic praise’s and you know what I mean, LOL.
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The only condition I do not agree to is the tie thing. A win is a win is a win. Ties do not go into the win column in any competition that I can think of. Now, if the bet was that she would not lose any primaries, I would agree to the tie thing, since a tie is not a loss. But it is not a win either. But, when was the last time there was a tie in a primary?

Here is why Sarah Palin has no chance of winning, Zeb and I do not agree on many things but you better believe we will both join together and sink her campaign.

If you want to see libertarian and neo-conservative unity let Sarah Palin run. She will get destroyed.

I have told Sloth, that if Ron Paul gets nocked out of the primary my next in line is Huckabee(just because of his fair tax). Trust me Sarah Palin will get destroyed if she runs. She would be smart to sit back and play king maker.

[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
Palin wouldn’t make it out of the primary for a number of reasons, not the least of which is her lack of experience. Here is a woman light on professional accomplishments, and when she did have a plum position (governor of a large state), she resigned.

Primaries are brutal - your teammates are now your opponents - and other GOP candidates are going to be happy to destroy her own her lack of experience and even compare her to Obama. And the GOP simply will not allow the 2012 candidate to have the flaw of lack of resume and experience. Given that advantage, it’d be electoral suicide.

Prior to being elected President, Obama had an undistinguished career. As a lawyer, nothing to write home about. As a community organizer, nothing compelling. As a professor, he wrote nothing of substance, nor did he use his pedestal at the University of Chicago as a way of litigating big-national cases that interested him. As a state legislator, a dull record famous only for its perpetual dodge of controversial votes. As a Senator, he was never a leader nor did he sponsor or shepherd through any meaningful legislation.

Then Obama is elected - and, in terms of governance, he has done very poorly. Don’t take my word for it - I’ve spoken to a number of Democratic friends (who serve in public office and in the party) who say the theme is fairly persistent, even in urban enclaves: Obama ain’t big enough for the job, and never was. He was always interesting to the flake wing of the party, but really wasn’t anything more than a guy who made good grades at prestigious schools.

The GOP can’t waste this opportunity to contrast Obama’s thin resume and underwhelming performance as chief magistrate on Palin, who is guilty of the exact same sins. No way the delegates would ever let her escape the primaries as the candidate. Once Palin took the stage, the over/under for a fellow GOP candidate to say “we can’t afford to put someone else in the Oval Office with such a weak resume - look at what that got us in 2008” is about 15 seconds.[/quote]

I think this assessment about sums it up. How is a person who resigned from a position that required her to govern over less than 700,000 people in the face of ethics charges, who then blamed it on the media’s “vendetta” against her, going to convince enough people that she is fit to run a country of almost 400 million at perhaps its most pivotal moment since the 1850’s-60’s to win a primary? Especially when it will be her fellow Republicans attacking her. She essentially withered in the face of intense media scrutiny, and now she thinks that she’ll hold up well against her “friends’” attacks against her.

Furthermore, I have felt for a long time now that the only reason she has any viability at all anymore within the GOP stems from the GOP’s refusal to admit that she was an absolutely horrible, unqualified running mate for McCain (compared to the other choices at the time) and that she was in large part responsible for McCain’s loss. I think that the GOP wizards who felt they were passed over in favor of her will take out whatever frustration they had with her selection as VP candidate directly on her, without restraint, during the primaries.

The sight of her getting fucking filleted by her fellow Republicans, and then getting the shit kicked out of her in the first primary or three is going to end up destroying her credibility even further, but this time it will be destroyed in the minds of other conservatives, not liberals.

Great discussion, Guys!

But I pose this question…

“Mama-Bear” or not…Primaries are damn brutal and not for the faint-of-heart".

How “careful” does the GOP and GOP candidates have to be so that they don’t “pile it on” during the Primaries and appear to be ganging up on her? (This is NOT a “sexist” thing. Many don’t look at Palin like they do Hillary…in many cases she is looked at as almost a sister or a daughter).

Does it really matter in the end?

I think some key voting blocks can be alienated if it appears that Palin is treated harshly “by her own”.

Thoughts?

Mufasa

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]AdamDrew wrote:
Awww man! I think your bet should should be that the loser ends their post with praise towards the winner on every post for a month. Such as “Zeb is all that is man” or “DBCooper’s IQ is that of Einstein.” However, I too hope that she doesn’t run. Anybody that lets their daughter do “dancing” and agrees to put their family on a reality show doesn’t belong in office. [/quote]

I like it! How about it Zeb? Loser has to heap praise on the winner at the end of every post for a month.[/quote]

DEAL!

Here’s what I am agreeing to: If Palin runs in a full primary season I say she will win at least one primary and you are saying that she will not win any primaries. If she does not run the bet is off. If she ties someone for first place it’s still a win for Palin. Can you think of any other clarification we need? Other than no sarcastic praise’s and you know what I mean, LOL.
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The only condition I do not agree to is the tie thing. A win is a win is a win. Ties do not go into the win column in any competition that I can think of. Now, if the bet was that she would not lose any primaries, I would agree to the tie thing, since a tie is not a loss. But it is not a win either. But, when was the last time there was a tie in a primary?[/quote]

Then NO DEAL!

If she is not second, or lower, and she’s in the primary that means that she won. If someone else won too then that has no bearing on the agreement. That is still a win for her.

Sorry my friend I have to have ties, politics is crazy.

[quote]John S. wrote:
Here is why Sarah Palin has no chance of winning, Zeb and I do not agree on many things but you better believe we will both join together and sink her campaign.

If you want to see libertarian and neo-conservative unity let Sarah Palin run. She will get destroyed.

I have told Sloth, that if Ron Paul gets nocked out of the primary my next in line is Huckabee(just because of his fair tax). Trust me Sarah Palin will get destroyed if she runs. She would be smart to sit back and play king maker.[/quote]

If she runs I think she has a chance of becoming the nominee. I don’t think it will matter if Mitt Romney, (or any one else), blasts her for lack of experience. She then blasts him for being for health care before he was against it. That’s the way politics goes. And if you think Palin’s die hard fans will retreat in the face of someone attacking think again! She has been bludgeoned by the mainstream liberal media and she’s still moving forward.

Ask yourself why?

It’s because she has an incredibly strong base that loves her and has heard all the derogatory comments and they still don’t care. And this is why I hope she doesn’t run for President. While she may be strong enough to win enough primaries to take the nomination (yeah it’s possible) she has absolutely ZERO chance of beating the Obama in the general election as her support is not broad based enough.

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]AdamDrew wrote:
Awww man! I think your bet should should be that the loser ends their post with praise towards the winner on every post for a month. Such as “Zeb is all that is man” or “DBCooper’s IQ is that of Einstein.” However, I too hope that she doesn’t run. Anybody that lets their daughter do “dancing” and agrees to put their family on a reality show doesn’t belong in office. [/quote]

I like it! How about it Zeb? Loser has to heap praise on the winner at the end of every post for a month.[/quote]

DEAL!

Here’s what I am agreeing to: If Palin runs in a full primary season I say she will win at least one primary and you are saying that she will not win any primaries. If she does not run the bet is off. If she ties someone for first place it’s still a win for Palin. Can you think of any other clarification we need? Other than no sarcastic praise’s and you know what I mean, LOL.
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The only condition I do not agree to is the tie thing. A win is a win is a win. Ties do not go into the win column in any competition that I can think of. Now, if the bet was that she would not lose any primaries, I would agree to the tie thing, since a tie is not a loss. But it is not a win either. But, when was the last time there was a tie in a primary?[/quote]

Then NO DEAL!

If she is not second, or lower, and she’s in the primary that means that she won. If someone else won too then that has no bearing on the agreement. That is still a win for her.

Sorry my friend I have to have ties, politics is crazy.
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Okay, okay. Ties are in. The bet’s on.

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]AdamDrew wrote:
Awww man! I think your bet should should be that the loser ends their post with praise towards the winner on every post for a month. Such as “Zeb is all that is man” or “DBCooper’s IQ is that of Einstein.” However, I too hope that she doesn’t run. Anybody that lets their daughter do “dancing” and agrees to put their family on a reality show doesn’t belong in office. [/quote]

I like it! How about it Zeb? Loser has to heap praise on the winner at the end of every post for a month.[/quote]

DEAL!

Here’s what I am agreeing to: If Palin runs in a full primary season I say she will win at least one primary and you are saying that she will not win any primaries. If she does not run the bet is off. If she ties someone for first place it’s still a win for Palin. Can you think of any other clarification we need? Other than no sarcastic praise’s and you know what I mean, LOL.
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The only condition I do not agree to is the tie thing. A win is a win is a win. Ties do not go into the win column in any competition that I can think of. Now, if the bet was that she would not lose any primaries, I would agree to the tie thing, since a tie is not a loss. But it is not a win either. But, when was the last time there was a tie in a primary?[/quote]

Then NO DEAL!

If she is not second, or lower, and she’s in the primary that means that she won. If someone else won too then that has no bearing on the agreement. That is still a win for her.

Sorry my friend I have to have ties, politics is crazy.
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Okay, okay. Ties are in. The bet’s on. [/quote]

Yeah, it’s on then ----please keep your praises of me short to the point and flattering :slight_smile: