Scrotal cream twice a week? Do you know what the half life of scrotal cream is? It’s about 15 hours. If they are applying this twice a week, it’s laughable.
No, I would avoid anastrozole if at all possible.
Yes, I am aware of the half life and that scrotal creams are dosed twice daily. I thought that was clear. My apologies.
Oh crap… I think I misread your previous post. Sorry about that!
Going from 120 to 140 will not cause a huge change that will require the 6-8 weeks stuff. 6-8 weeks will definitly apply when a man starts his first protocol. It definitly applies to ceasing to take an AI. It will also apply to a more significant change in protocol. Going from 120-140 won’t result in much change in the majority of cases as it is typically too small of a difference.
Can you clarify this statement for me please?
Estrogen matters when you take test for fatigue, sexual dysfunction and poor libido but it does not matter when you take it to get stronger?
I do daily shots. TRT is for life. Start on once a week and if that isn’t ideal try twice a week and then EOD and then daily. Even if it’s true daily is best for most how would you know you’re one of the most without trying the others first. Seems only logical if you’re looking for best that you make sure to try every option so you know for sure. Then when someone says daily is stupid you can justify it because you tried everything else first. Same with dosages. Work your way up so you know how each dose increment effects you.
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This is probably my biggest issue on TRT at the moment. Mid day everyday I get what I assumed to be heart palpitations which plays into anxiety i have from an old panic disorder. Panic disorder was totally resolved for almost 10 years until TRT was started. I know it’s all in my head but once the “palpitations” start it’s a quick road to panic town. Seems to be triggered by moderate to intense excercise as well.
Will have to look more into this nerve thing. If I could just resolve that feeling of palpitations, I would be one happy camper on TRT.
Same here. Guys are being fed this “inject daily if you have low. Inject weekly high”. What they don’t realize is that you simply inject more daily to create a stable level in the body after whatever time it takes for that water to stabalize. Its not like you inject 300 and it’s all being put to use right now.
It’s called the vagus nerve. I also used to suffer from panic attacks back in my twenties and this damn nerve was really started to give me anxiety. Now that I know what it is, I find it more curious and interesting than something that stresses me out.
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I totally agree, however that did not seem to be the case for some based on what I have read here.
Relative to the statement that TRT and PED are not the same. Yes, but the side effects are.
Guys taking testosterone for TRT are concerned with E2 side effects vs. guys that take it (in large amounts) to get stronger are not concerned? It seems to me that some of the guys with “dialing in” trouble would have almost died if they were doing what we did, especially those that refer to 200mg as a “massive” dose. They have no idea.
You’re taking 150mg once a week and you need to inject smaller, more frequent doses? OK, but try 400mg once, or twice, a week.
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@highpull I rarely believe any anecdotal evidence. How many posts have you seen where guys increase their dose by the tiniest degree and have a whole whack of symptoms occur that very day. It’s preposterous.
Guys taking TRT who are concerned about “E2 side effects” have absolutely no understanding of estrogen nor its effects in body, be it male or female. Bodybuilders taking 18+ synthetics compounds at high doses are a hormonal nightmare so the guidelines for us will not apply to them whatsoever.
Agreed that 200mg being a ‘massive dose’ is just hilarious.
Logically, you must admit that there would be a HUGE difference between these two examples:
- 150mg taken once a week. By the end of the week you have roughly 75mg left.
- 600mg taken once a week. By the end of the week you have roughly 300mg left.
I have met lots of guys doing great on twice weekly injections. Once weekly is a rare occurance (feeling good with zero symptoms). When guys doing weekly or bi-weekly experience symptoms, the first thing we recommend is to do as frequent administration as possible. I have listed the reason at length in many of the webcasts we have done. Once these guys have done this for awhile their issues get resolved. The guys doing the scrotal cream BID are having the MOST benefits over any other method of administration. I discussed this with Dr Jordan Grant just yesterday and his experiences with his patients also came to the same conclusion.
I am predisposed to anxiety and panic disorder. Stick to 100mg a week and adjust as needed after each lab like these guys tell you. My t levels are similiar to yours and I’m 27, my shbg is also low.
I started off at 200mg/50mg eod and am really struggling with the anxiety, it started with heart palps. I’m in week 5 and toughing it out until labs, but I will assume this anxiety is triggered by e2. Don’t listen to dbossa. Go based off feel and labs. (Fyi i’m not using hcg or ai but im sure my e2 is sky high on 200mg, im legit crawling out of my skin 247, there are plenty of e2 influencing anxiety studies out there).
Everybody is different. Just because e2 doesnt affect dbossa doesnt mean it wont affect you and vice versa. I didn’t think injecting hormones would cause anxiety but man was I wrong. I am counting the seconds until labs then 100% lowering my dosage. Anxiety is a common complaint on new guys starting trt and I highly suspect its due to e2 as the pituitary isn’t shut down yet so still plenty of pregnenalone.
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Everyone here taking low dosages and has issues at higher doses are all low SHBG guys. I’m sure on the TRT spectrum they are a very small minority.
I believe thats what was going on with the gel. 1 pump i felt ok at first til i shut down. Then went for bloods at 1 month and was at 295. Went to 2 pumps then 3 and all the sudden crazy panic attacks 24/7. It had to be aromatizing because it came on after increasing and 2 months into it. I quit and took tests a day later and my test level was 160. I made sure i took a hot shower every morning before applying to get my pores opened up. I was absorbing it and my body was converting it. Thats my theory anyway.
What is considered to be low shbg
Did you switch to injections or quit overall?
I personally have no clue why some of us predisposed to anxiety react like this but i’m gonna find out.
Dropping my dosage to 140mg most likely, but depending on bloods
I quit for 6 months. I just started back last Thursday at 100mg once a week. Im not sure why either but i did have a little stretch in my late teens and early 20s where i had pretty bad anxiety/panic attacks. Then it kinda disappeared til the gel. I mean ive had small feelings of anxiety through life i think everyone does but not full on gona fucking die panic shit.