So… A small minority of ‘democrats’ advocate for defunding the police. I highlight democrats as AOC/illan Omar don’t scream “mainstream democrat” to me, they’re representative of the “far left”
A small minority of Republicans (perhaps more than a small number) are anti vax, deny climate change. Does this equate to the Republican party pushing a destructive agenda?
You’re looking for a hole in my argument and seeking some kind of conservative/republican equivalence to back up your argument. This leads you to pit the imagined and theoretical future harm of broadly-described climate change denial up against my very specific point about Democrats in the USA advocating for a specific policy that’s measurably destructive and horrible for everyone in the jurisdiction. Today. Right now.
I don’t really see why everyone is trying so hard to detract from this specific topic, which began with a first-hand account of the objectively awful consequences of this one-sided and very partisan policy. It seems like people have a reflex reaction to politics, with some built-in belief that there’s some automatic moral equivalence between political parties.
There isn’t. Not today, anyway.
And anti-vax sentiment. If the hypothetical policy of vaccine hesitancy were to become widespread you’d be looking at millions of deaths
Climate change denial isn’t broad, just as being a flat earther isn’t open to debate. If you brazenly support fracking, coal/fossil fuel industries over the prospect of attempting to find a newer, cleaner and more sustainable source of fuel/commit to a net zero emissions target and simultaneously refer to factually incorrect data to push an agenda “climate change is exaggerated/not real” I’d refer to you as a climate change denialist.
To my knowledge there’s a bill regarding federal legalisation of cannabis being introduced to the senate later this year. If passed you’d be looking at a dramatic reduction in incarceration rates/arrests, a large boost to the economy, a potential blow to organised crime… I’m guessing Republicans will unanimously voted against it as ulterior motives/agendas will be present.
Very few democrats actually want the police force abolished yet you generally speak in absolutes as if such an agenda is uniformly supported.
Because there is… Both suck… Politics is a game ridden with superficial interactions, shady agendas etc. Republicans aren’t knights in shining armour.
Of course they are. Republicans are in control in numerous states and local areas. It’s just stupid is subjective and you tend to think to yourself the right’s policies aren’t stupid.
Let’s hear your list. I’m waiting…
If you believe this, you are ignorant of American history.
Since you normally agree with the GOP why would a provided list change anything? You’re using subjective words. Which was my point. You aren’t going to find many GOP policies stupid.
But stupid is subjective. So you may see GOP behavior around the stolen election as just asking questions or whatever. I may find it based on nothing but a sore loser with almost no credible evidence.
It isn’t broad only in its strictest sense. It IS broad if you consider all the ways such a phrase has been used to tamp down criticism of certain climate centric policy or movements. There are MANY shades of criticism of climate change studies that are lumped under the “denier” mantle, and they are not equivalent. The categorizing is largely done on political grounds which makes it absolutely inappropriate for scientific topics, but here we find ourselves.
Similar to “racist”, though not nearly as bad, it is being used to bludgeon many people who do not deserve it.
Very, VERY few people support this. Once you bring policy into things (see your sentence immediately after my quote) you bring in the political which is NOT scientific. People can perfectly well agree that racism is bad and that we should help poor people stuck in ghettos…but a portion of them will get called “racist” because they disagree with the WAY to help these people.
The two are not equivalent.
However yes, factually incorrect data need to be eliminated. But it’s harder to do than you might think, as the idea of “factually incorrect” is open to argument if you’re involved in research. Not to mention it evolves with better methods and more knowledge. In addition the majority of people don’t understand how to interpret studies ANYWAY, which sort of eliminates their ability to tell what is factually correct or not.
@H_factor Despite your strongly stated opinion just a few minutes ago, you can’t name a single Republican policy that you find stupid and/or sociopathic? At any level of government anywhere in the USA? Really?
It seems as though you have no facts to back up your point. It seems as though you’re arguing against me in vague terms for reasons you can’t fully explain.
Am I correct?
If not, feel free to explain.
I didn’t say this. I said it’s subjective. Which makes a lot of the debate stupid. Which is also subjective. Republicans are spending a lot of time looking into voting when they don’t have evidence of any widespread voter fraud or corruption. I believe they are doing everything possible to enact policies which they believe will lower turnout in people who primarily vote Democrat. I’m sure you believe they are just working hard to make sure the vote is fair. Who’s correct?
“That also doesn’t mean there aren’t stupid or sociopathic Republicans, but none of them are getting their stupid and sociopathic policies implemented anywhere in the USA.”
You think this is true because you agree with the policies of Republicans on the whole. It doesn’t make it true.
The point that “stupid” policies are subjective? I think states that attack birth control or sexual education are fucking idiotic. Sloth who’s a diehard social conservative thinks they aren’t going far enough or would prefer some of that is illegal.
Actually you did say exactly that. You just claimed Republicans are getting stupid and sociopathic policies implemented. You did this a few minutes ago, not last month. Context matters, or am I supposed to believe that you weren’t directly responding to my post here, just a few minutes earlier?
Perhaps we’re finally getting to the root of why we disagree so often.
Support is almost unanimous amongst the Australian liberal party. I’m assuming it differs in America. Aus has a reliance on coal as quite a few rural workers tend to be miners.
In terms of climate change denial, our right wing parties rank very highly.
I was saying I didn’t say I couldn’t do it. You read that wrong. It’s like you absolutely know the point I’m making but are dying to be difficult or something. Policies being stupid is subjective and you are appearing to make the argument that they are not.
Online poker is illegal in Kansas. I think that’s stupid as hell. Plenty of people don’t. I can’t pretend that because I have a viewpoint it means that it’s correct.
Trust me, it is not that. This is PWI, your ideas can and should be attacked, so this is not personal. If you come with no facts, I will point out your lack of facts no matter who you are.
I get the generalized angst against your worst-case conservative strawman who might like to have some fucked-up theocratic government with no restrictions on weaponry or privately held military equipment.
That shit is not a modern threat or even on the concern radar. That’s what I call a slain dragon, unlikely to be resurrected in our lifetime.
Who knows what can happen if we start teaching CRT-based racism to children again?
I’m not, I just don’t see the Democrats as the evil boogeyman out to destroy society akin to how you view them
Aside from defunding the police, which in itself of not a mainstream ideology within the party. What other policies do you find particularly sociopathic/destructive?
I believe puritanical sex education, the war on drugs, pushing conspiracy theories like QANON/spreading fake news and doctored videos, selling weapons to Iran during the Reagan era, removing/punishing members of the GOP for speaking out against Trump, pro-life legislature so strict victims of rape may be barred from getting an abortion, funding contras during the Raegan era leading to a massive spike of cocaine in the US and a subsequent implosion of crack cocaine use within impoverished areas etc to be stupid mistakes. As is opposing universal healthcare as if it’ll lead to some sort of socialist revolution.
As specified earlier… I dislike so many policies from both main parties at this point I don’t think I’d be able to vote democrat or Republican. I’d have to vote independent or spoil my vote.
And I will call out when people say demonstrably incorrect things like the GOP doesn’t have any stupid policies. Which isn’t a fact just because you want it to be one.
And I get the completely ignoring that one whole side just fought tooth and nail to overturn an election in unprecedented manners in this country and that we had the most unhinged person around who is STILL a front runner of that party despite contributing to nut jobs storming the capital because he cried no one can beat me.
But none of that has ever been important nor are the huge steps being taken around the country to combat something that doesn’t exist. No no the only thing that even remotely matters in this country is critical race theory.
As I said just because you’re not concerned about one damn thing the GOP has done or could do doesn’t mean it’s not concerning. That’s why you get angry whenever anyone talks about both sides having problems. Because you’re focused on one side only.
We’re getting into rabbit holes unrelated to the thread in your guys’ efforts to desperately demonstrate modern conservative equivalence to the sociopathic policy of defunding the police, which has happened to millions of Americans. Perhaps we need a thread dedicated to the racist and destructive implications of conservative policy you all seem so eager to explain, but can’t quite pin down in specific terms.
The thread topic and original post addresses Defunding The Police, which is a current event in the USA. This thread probably wasn’t started to debate the relative harm of whatever vaguely harmful Republican policies you manage to dredge up from decades past or imagined futures. That’s not even intelligent arguing, you’re just throwing shit at the wall and hoping something sticks in a discussion about tangible real-world outcomes.
To re-iterate, this is real disaster policy unfolding by the hour, as we speak. We are many tragedies removed from some academic discussion about theoretical outcomes.
The destructive outcomes of this policy matter. They matter a lot. This is really nasty shit happening to humans, all avoidable by not yielding policy decisions to the most vocally stupid and sociopathic among us, no matter how loud or emotionally they may scream when being told “NO”.
We have a real collective problem to solve right now, and it is how to get good cops back on those streets, and how to get as many of them as possible.
Meanwhile, new LEO applicants are at historically low numbers across the country when we also have a historically high population. It’s almost like the job has suddenly, in just the last few years, become dramatically less attractive than it used to be.
Policy has consequences, and so does the rhetoric behind it.
@H_factor You still have no facts. You present vague narratives and broad terms that require long discussions to get to the bottom of what you actually mean. Just like you always do. I don’t have a dozen posts in me tonight to understand what you’re actually talking about.
That’s all I have tonight. Have a good night.
You refuse to see them. The fact behind stupid policies being a subjective term was easily and clearly laid out. But you ignore it so you can say it’s vague. The example with me and sloth isn’t difficult but you glossed over it.
It’s not difficult but you try to make it so. I don’t think you want to question your viewpoints really.
And I don’t have a dozen posts in me to put it in easier terms than I already have. And as I said at the beginning you’re not going to find any GOP policy stupid anyways. Heck you couldn’t find hardly anything Trump said as stupid but man do you run to post an edited video of Biden coming off dumb. That’s bothersome but the President pressuring Republicans to find him votes? Trying to get the justice department to help? His friends asking if the military can step in to keep him in power?
Do you have posts calling out the GOP? In the last two years or so? I dunno maybe I’m just not aware? I’m older and spend less time on here and get posters mixed up so maybe I miss them.
Good night it’s late here and I haven’t lifted yet but daughter just got to sleep and it’s squat day.
But we don’t. You have a few politicians and some woke people on twitter. Eric Adams is a dem and what’s his view on defunding the police?
I’ve got some stupid gop policies. Anti pro-choice. Anti climate change. Anti environment. Anti gay rights. They are stupid and cause harm. Change my mind…
