Our Country is on it's Way Down the Toilet

[quote]John S. wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:

Come on man. You can’t possibly believe this public education system will start talking about James Madison in a positive light or allow Joe Napolitano within 20 miles of that curriculum. Napolitano isn’t perfect anyway, but nobody is.

Could it be done right now? No. Give it 2-3 years when where in the Inflation process and the masses will start listening to guys like Napolitano, While they may not be perfect they know more about the constitution then anyone alive today.[/quote]

The point is the educational system is owned, as in completely controlled, by teachers unions that live in the pockets of liberal politicians. Actually they live in each others pockets. They will never allow an actually American version of civics to be taught in the schools anymore. If Madison himself were to revisit us from the dead he’d be scoffed away as a hard line right wing fanatic stuck in the 18th century and wholly unenlightened by the secular humanistic leftist progress we have undergone since he and his constitution-mates founded this nation.

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
Rockscar wrote:
Sanitarium wrote:

As far as the original topic talking about how parenting is at the cause of childhood obesity… I believe the collapse of the traditional American family is the real cause of the downturn in America as a whole. More specifically, girls getting pregnant and having illegitimate children that are deemed to grow up with a much higher chance of committing crimes and draining the American justice system. This also turns into a huge drain on the health system and causes higher taxes etc…

Now you are speaking my language. Damn right here.

Indeed.

I didn’t see this post before I posted mine on the previous page. I don’t care what anybody tells me, the family, consisting of one man and one woman for life with their own children was the absolute bedrock of this society. The idea that this was not the case did not gain significant public acceptance until the 1960’s at which time, not coincidentally, this nation began in earnest it’s final slide over the liberal cliff.[/quote]

…i don’t know Trib, ‘The Waltons’ was a sappy t.v. show, not reality. My mother was born in 1940, she has 7 siblings. My father was born in 1934 and he had 10 siblings. Their parents worked their fingers to the bone in factories and cleaning jobs to make ends meet, and they weren’t in a position to pay much attention to their children. As a result both my parents are screwy in the head. I can imagine it wasn’t much different over there in the US…

…but thenagain, i agree with the fact that bad parenting is the underlying cause of many of the problems that exist nowadays with kids. You can’t expect parents who were not raised right themselves, to raise their kids right. This is a vicious circle that, imo, did not just start with the dissolving of the family nucleus, tough that definitly contributed to the problem…

…but honestly, things weren’t better in the olden days. In many respects our parents and grandparents were much worse off than we are, or our children are. They too faced many of the same problems we’re having now, just on a smaller scale. With so many people living on the same landmass, everything is magnified…

[quote]ephrem wrote:
<<< …i don’t know Trib, ‘The Waltons’ was a sappy t.v. show, not reality. My mother was born in 1940, she has 7 siblings. My father was born in 1934 and he had 10 siblings. Their parents worked their fingers to the bone in factories and cleaning jobs to make ends meet, and they weren’t in a position to pay much attention to their children. As a result both my parents are screwy in the head. I can imagine it wasn’t much different over there in the US…

…but thenagain, i agree with the fact that bad parenting is the underlying cause of many of the problems that exist nowadays with kids. You can’t expect parents who were not raised right themselves, to raise their kids right. This is a vicious circle that, imo, did not just start with the dissolving of the family nucleus, tough that definitly contributed to the problem…

…but honestly, things weren’t better in the olden days. In many respects our parents and grandparents were much worse off than we are, or our children are. They too faced many of the same problems we’re having now, just on a smaller scale. With so many people living on the same landmass, everything is magnified…
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I’m referring specifically to the United States and no, no human society has ever been or ever will be perfect or even close.

[quote]John Adams, Dissertation on the Canon and Feudal Law, 1756:
It should be your care, therefore, and mine, to elevate the minds of our children and exalt their courage; to accelerate and animate their industry and activity; to excite in them an habitual contempt of meanness, abhorrence of injustice and inhumanity, and an ambition to excel in every capacity, faculty, and virtue. If we suffer their minds to grovel and creep in infancy, they will grovel all their lives.[/quote]

Howver there was a time in this country when crime was a fraction of what it is now, particularly horrific crime was nigh non existent and any instance of it was eye popping news and a national scandal.

Just about anybody who was willing bust their ass could improve their circumstances and the motivation of doing so for the good of a family that they loved was a major motivation.

Faithfulness, honesty, self control and RESPONSIBILITY were public virtues even when not always privately upheld. Children grew up in this environment learning that this was right and good and that was wrong and bad. The 60’s destroyed the conscience of this nation culminating in the sick and depraved notion that the murdering of the very children that were once celebrated as a blessing was now a right and symbol of advancement.

This is only one issue and I don’t even talk about it that much here, but it is a perfect example. When children grow up in a society where the most solemn of human responsibilty, the conception and nurturing of a new life is viewed as an imposition on their “freedom” to live a debauched and commitment free existence, so much so that killing it is seen as a legal and accepted option, make no mistake, that powerful lesson will effect the rest of their lives and their interaction with others.

[quote]Sanitarium wrote:
Vires Eternus wrote:
LarryDavid wrote:
horsepuss wrote:
Like muslims allowed free speach within our borders.I think reasons like that are what is really gonna be the downfall of this land.

Are you for real? And no one else said anything about this-some people in the thread even agreed with this.

WTF

EDIT: I missed Chi Towns first post, and Iron Dwarf’s post didn’t show up until now, but still, what fuck is up with the people agreeing?

Freedom and security are by their nature mutually exclusive.

Right leaning conservatives are generally more comfortable with giving up a relative amount of freedom in exchange for greater security, while left leaning liberals are generally more confortable sacrificing absolute security in exchange for a greater range of freedom. Viewpoints tend to range wildly in both directions, and strong opinions are magnetic. You will either be attracted or repulsed based on your polarity.

Virus Eternus… that is completely wrong. The fundamental tenant of “leaning to the right” is the belief in small government. Small government = less government control = MORE freedom.

It is so unfortunate that the vast majority of the American population does not understand the political spectrum at all, and instead gets all it’s preconceived notions from the media. And just incase this comes up, Republican does NOT = conservative. Republican is a party, conservative is a political belief system.

As far as the original topic talking about how parenting is at the cause of childhood obesity… I believe the collapse of the traditional American family is the real cause of the downturn in America as a whole. More specifically, girls getting pregnant and having illegitimate children that are deemed to grow up with a much higher chance of committing crimes and draining the American justice system. This also turns into a huge drain on the health system and causes higher taxes etc…[/quote]

I appreciate the rebutal, and you do make some good points, but I’m going to have to stick to my perception. There is what the right and left leaning would like to believe about themselves, and then there is reality.

Shortly after 9/11 and for several years afterward the right had little trouble with the idea that Homeland Security would be invading peoples privacy closely monitoring email and phone traffic. I didn’t get that notion from watching the media, I heard it from the mouths of countless conservative christians that I live around and work with. The common consensus was that while they didn’t feel it was ideal for the government to have that kind of power it beat the alternative. And the idea that those powers might not be retracted any time soon didn’t really seem to bother anyone so long as “They get the terrorists”.

I am not saying I agree or disagree with that sentiment, but one thing is sure, the cries of dissent over ‘Big Brother’ were definately howling from the left.

I firmly believe that fear is the greatest current motivator in our society, of terrorists, big government, loss of the family and our way of life. I believe this leads to absolutism and comments similar to the one previously made about restriction of free speech for certain extreme religious factions operating here.

I don’t believe my perceptions are foolish or based on media bias, but then I guess a fool wouldn’t. :slight_smile:

[quote]polo77j wrote:
3hitter wrote:

Have you ever taken action against or for something or have you only watched the news?

I’ve been in contact with my state reps (state level not my congressman) and have gotten some things done. I’m actively participating in the campaign by Earl Sholley to unseat Barney Frank in as my district congressman.

So, yes, I"m not cynical or inactive about the legislators I send to congress or to the state house or in local elections for that matter.
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AND this slick muthafucka got his laundry done fo da week. Kin ya belief dat?

Honestly, though, all this “immigrants are taking down America,” “Muslims are terr’rists” and “fuck da govt and its tax system” makes all of you sound like a bunch of NASCAR loving, Limbaugh-nut-hugging red necks.

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Standard Donkey wrote:
bluefingas wrote:
horsepuss wrote:
You think this country is ging down the shitter because of the fat people.

I can think of lots and lots of thing that piss me off more than the fatties.

Like muslims allowed free speach within our borders.I think reasons like that are what is really gonna be the downfall of this land.

That and politicians

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Plus shit like spending tax payer money on programs for illegal immigrants.
I don’t care about obesity. I’m not fat, so fuck it. Let fat people do what they want. Being obese is a choice.

Well how then are liberals supposed to get elected?

illegal immigrants are Americans too.

No they aren’t. Jumping the border illegally doesn’t make you American.[/quote]

Sure, but let’s inject “American ideals of freedom” by going to war with other countries. That should make those fools American! Makes sense to me.

(I do agree with you, though)

[quote]John S. wrote:

Look at what Liberals(Obama) are trying to start in Iran. They sure as fuck don’t have a problem ignoring property rights. If anyone denies this I say look at your fucking paycheck. Look at how they bastardize the Rich.[/quote]

What is Obama trying to start in Iran? I don’t understand your post.