[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
Education is way too expensive in this country,[/quote]
Because of nanny state government.
lol, that doesn’t mean it is free or any less expensive.
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Even if it is just as expensive through taxation they do get much better results. So what is your point? And I love how the more socialistic countries in Europe were hurt the least with the European meltdown. There goes your argument again. Evidence trumps ideology. Wake up to the real world not the one you create with your ideology.
[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
Even if it is just as expensive through taxation they do get much better results.[/quote]
Source?
How are you measuring results?
What is the size of their population?
What is the demographic makeup of their population?
What is your point?
SOurce?
You provided zero evidence other than your conjecture.
Pot, meet kettle.
[quote]Quasi-Tech wrote:
Jeaton, I’ll be running for office in 2016… I’ll appreciate your vote.
The inflation of costs is greatly driven by two factors: greed and the government.
I went to a private school that did not accept government aid, one of the lowest cost schools in the nation and still got a quality engineering education. Why was their cost so low? They didn’t accept government aid.
Just as everything else, when you get in bed with the government, they now own you. Because schools accept government aid, said government can influence the costs, the rise in cost, etc. of said schools. Most schools in this country accept government aid. It’s a twisted, screwed up reality but it is what it is. The government gives schools aid to help them out, gives students aid to go to school, but only as a clever ploy to suck more funds out of those same students later.[/quote]
How do you explain Findlands no tuition cost and the out performance of the U.S.?
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
Even if it is just as expensive through taxation they do get much better results.[/quote]
Source?
How are you measuring results?
What is the size of their population?
What is the demographic makeup of their population?
What is your point?
SOurce?
You provided zero evidence other than your conjecture.
Pot, meet kettle.
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Again a situation where you do not have to provide evidence for your conjecture but others who disagree with you do. Another conservative hypocrite.
Revoking their degrees won’t do much. Here’s why:
For the people who couldn’t pay it back because they got useless degrees to which they couldn’t find a job to match said degree, they’ll still be in the same place, working the same job, all debt forgiven.
For the people who didn’t pay it back but were able to find a job in their degree, in that time, they’ll have built up the needed experience/reputation in their field to maintain their current position. Once you get about 5 years experience, your degree doesn’t do much at all for you. Its just a line on your resume. In fact usually at about the 10 year mark, a resume has so much other important information, you don’t even list your degree as an item - why bother - its now the least important of your achievements.
I’ll be at my 5 years experience next year. Also the end of my 2 year tenure in a foreign country. I’d laugh if they revoked my degree (though I am paying mine off). I’ll have no problem finding a good job in engineering with my experience and resume. It seems good in theory, but not in practice.
Zepp, I don’t try to or care to discuss Finland’s policies, I don’t know them. I do know that when foreigners try to go to an international location for school, the US is top dog. Many come here to get Masters and Doctorates because the degrees here are the most highly respected. So maybe you need to qualify out-perform?
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
Even if it is just as expensive through taxation they do get much better results.[/quote]
Source?
How are you measuring results?
What is the size of their population?
What is the demographic makeup of their population?
What is your point?
SOurce?
You provided zero evidence other than your conjecture.
Pot, meet kettle.
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What does population size have to do with anything?
Germany’s economy actually grew.
Finland flirts with disaster/auserity.
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/90df0994-cde5-11e2-8313-00144feab7de,Authorised=false.html?_i_location=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ft.com%2Fcms%2Fs%2F0%2F90df0994-cde5-11e2-8313-00144feab7de.html&_i_referer=http%3A%2F%2Fsearch.genieo.com%2Fresults.html%3Fv%3Dverti%26q%3Dfinland%2520and%2520austerity#axzz2cZKijDhs
[quote]Quasi-Tech wrote:
Zepp, I don’t try to or care to discuss Finland’s policies, I don’t know them. I do know that when foreigners try to go to an international location for school, the US is top dog. Many come here to get Masters and Doctorates because the degrees here are the most highly respected. So maybe you need to qualify out-perform?[/quote]
Maybe you should care. You may learn something.
For what purpose? I’ve gotten my education, and if I ever did decide to have children I wouldn’t send them to Finland. So what benefit is there in my personal life to learn about what Finland does? Most of Europe is bankrupt and heading there faster than we are, I have no desire to listen to any country’s advice, because none of them are succeeding by letting the lazy suckle at their financial teet.
[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
Again a situation where you do not have to provide evidence for your conjecture but others who disagree with you do. [/quote]
You made the initial claim, you have the burden of proof.
Besides, I didn’t disagree with your first post I responded to at all. I only provided additional information.
[quote]Another conservative hypocrite.
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Another statist lefty, can’t have a substantive conversation with a point of view that differs than their own so the resort ot personal attacks.
[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
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Interesting read, and refreshing to see something from Huffington that isn’t spun like crazy.
for the 14-year period between 1995 and 2009, more countries were improving at a rate significantly faster than that of the U.S. Researchers looked at data for 49 countries.
From the link…
So My question then becomes, did they start at the same point in 1995? I mean, if the places outpacing the US (not that I am saying the US is the “gold standard”,) were significantly behind the US in 1995, their catching up, and even sling shooting isn’t a surprise. They had many other examples to learn from.
Really?
If you have less kids to educate it is a whole hell of a lot easier to do it for starters.
lol
https://www.stat.fi/til/vrm_en.html
Findland has 5.4 million people. About 2% the population of America. Lets assume 100% of that population is in school. That means if 3% of the American population is in school, we already have a more complex issue than they do. I’m sure the American number is higher than 3% and the Finish number lower than 100%.
[quote]Germany’s economy actually grew.
Finland flirts with disaster/auserity.
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/90df0994-cde5-11e2-8313-00144feab7de,Authorised=false.html?_i_location=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ft.com%2Fcms%2Fs%2F0%2F90df0994-cde5-11e2-8313-00144feab7de.html&_i_referer=http%3A%2F%2Fsearch.genieo.com%2Fresults.html%3Fv%3Dverti%26q%3Dfinland%2520and%2520austerity#axzz2cZKijDhs
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Did I miss where these talk about “how socialist” the countries are?