One Thousand Days of War

[quote]harris447 wrote:
slimjim wrote:
I gotta know…who the hell was making 4100 a month in Iraq?

The lowest man on the totem pole at Halliburton. :slight_smile:
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I hate to say it, but the lowest paid guys at Halliburton were clearing 75,000 a year, and that was the dude that followed the Iraqi’s around while they cleaned out the port-a-potties.

Civilians who were brought in to augment helicopter maintenance(ie my job, 9-5 with overtime, hourly breaks, and an inclement weather clause) were making six figures. most single, enlisted guys without dependents were making about 2-3,000 a month. I don’t know how the average could be 4100, that seems extremely high to me.

Apologies in advance for the long post…but I’ve buried more friends than I care to count in the past few years, and its high damn time somebody put the gauntlet down.

[quote]JohnGullick wrote:
I don’t know if this was widely reported in the US (probably not I’d wager, why would Fox ruin the Christmas spirit? Thats not infotainment!) but yesterday was the 1000th day of war in Iraq.

Now I know the Commander in Chimp, sorry Chief, stated quite early that war was over because the Iraqi army folded, but on 30th November this year he stated America was on course to ‘total victory’, surely an admission by default of a continued war.[/quote]

Nobody with half a brain ever thought that erradicating islamo-facism would be quick and easy. As drawn out as this has been, it is still only a first step, and will set in motion events that will contine for decades

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So to mark this pretty crap occasion I thought I’d stick up the statistics the Independant printed yesterday:

8%- Iraqi children who still suffer malnutrition. [/quote]
STILL I guess they were all fat and happy under the rule of saddam, at least until they were gassed

insurgents = enemy
dead enemy = win
win = good (unless you’re Howard Dean)

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$343- Average monthly salary for Iraqi soldier.

$4,160.75- Average monthly salary for American soldier in Iraq.[/quote]
You mean to tell me the average soldier is an E-9? or is it an O-5?

Its called a WAR…if you go into a warzone, you will possibly be killed, just because you’re a journalist doesn’t mean the Kood-Aid man is going to jump out and catch those nasty bullets before they hit you.

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63- journalists killed in Vietnam.
[/quote] see above [quote]
20- monthly casualties from mines.

20%- 2005 Iraqi inflation rate.

25-40%- Iraq unemployment rate.
[/quote] 25% - Saudi Arabia’s unemployment rate. Guess that’s our fault to, isn’t it? [quote]
90- attacks by insurgants in November 2005.[/quote]
please refer to www.dictionary.com and look up the word “war”, and put down the kool-aid [quote]
8- attacks by insurgants in June 2003.
[/quote] again, see above [quote]
251- Foreigners kidnapped.
[/quote]hmm…notice a pattern here? maybe it has something to do with that whole “war” thing [quote]
183,000- Number of coalition troops in action in Iraq.

70%- Iraqis with poor or intermitant sewerage systems.
[/quote] is halliburton going around checking toilets now? [quote]
47%- Iraqis who never have enough electricity.[/quote] and electric meters?

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15,955- US troops wounded in action.

2,339- Allied troops killed.

$204.4 billion- cost of the war to the US

0- Number of WMDs found.[/quote]

Yes it is war…it is nasty, violent, brutal, people die, good people die, and I thank God for those people, because without them, sniveling little surrender monkeys wouldn’t have an internet to post idiotic rhetoric to.
Why don’t you pack your bags and take a trip to Iraq and tell this face to face to the soldiers who are putting it on the line every day.
Takes a real man to sit behind a computer monitor and play armchair general. I’d give my left nut to see, just once, somebody go spew this bile in person in a room full of service men and women who ARE THERE and know what is going on, and not getting their news from Al-#(%*$&- Jazeera.
Consider the gauntlent thrown down. I’ll buy anybody a plane ticket from anywhere CONUS to McGhee Tyson AFB so they can tell the 278th ANG what they think in person.
Time to put up or G-D shut up.

How the hell is it that everyone in here but me has a most-secret level security clearance and somehow has access to all of our nation’s intel about what is going in Iraq, and the middle east in general.

Here’s a newsflash people…we don’t know what is going on.

There are things happening everyday that we don’t, and shouldn’t, know about, and only a fool would try to make life and death decisions based on what the government and media have told them.
The people put Bush in power, be it for better or for worse. He knows things that you and I don’t, so who should be making the decisions?
He may be leading this country down a crash course to hell, the bottom line is WE DON’T KNOW.

I have a friend who came back from Iraq. He was one of those wounded listed above, having been blown up on Halloween 2004. Some of his friends were killed in that same explosion, so he was extremely lucky.

He is really nonpolitical, but he says we were making great progress when he was there, and he did notice that the reporters always searched out the loud kooks. (I may be paraphrasing here.)

A lot of this crap really puts down people like him.

And as far as WMD’s

Found: 1.77 metric tons of enriched uranium

Found: 1,500 gallons of chemical weapons

Found: Roadside bomb loaded with sarin gas

Found: 1,000 radioactive materials–ideal for radioactive dirty bombs

Found: 17 chemical warheads–some containing cyclosarin, a nerve agent five times more powerful than sarin

Thanks for the info mage…and make sure you let him know there are a helluva lot more people supporting him than not, its just a matter of who has the louder microphone.

I think we should just stick to the official US source - Irag Survey Group, as of March 2005 states:

"WMD Leftovers

There continue to be reports of WMD in Iraq. ISG has found that such reports are usually scams or misidentification of materials or activities. A very limited number of cases involved the discovery of old chemical munitions produced before 1990. These types of reports (particularly scams) will likely continue for some time and local authorities will have to judge which merit further investigation.

Overall, I have confidence in the picture of events and programs covered by this report. If there were to be a surprise in the future, it most likely would be in the biological weapons area, since the signature and facilities for these efforts are small compared to the other WMD types. ISG disproved much of the prewar reporting from a specific source concerning mobile BW capability, but it is still possible, though I would judge very unlikely, that such a capability remains undiscovered. Given the access to individuals involved in these programs, it would seem probable that someone would have given some concrete indication of surviving or undeclared capability."

http://www.cia.gov/cia/reports/iraq_wmd_2004/note.html

As for smuggling them out of the country ISG says:

“Based on the evidence available at present, ISG judged that it was unlikely that an official transfer of WMD material from Iraq to Syria took place. However, ISG was unable to rule out unofficial movement of limited WMD-related materials.”

http://www.cia.gov/cia/reports/iraq_wmd_2004/addenda.pdf

I am glad this unpleasant chapter can be closed - unfortunately after the fait a complit.

I recognise that the Bush government went to war for other reasons as well, but the Blair government used it as their main argument - and that sucks, because it was based on mistakes. And that makes the tragedy of this war even worse.

Makkun

Moving to a non-U.S. source again:

Saddam’s WMD Moved to Syria, An Israeli Says

BY IRA STOLL - Staff Reporter of the Sun
December 15, 2005
URL: http://www.nysun.com/article/24480

Saddam Hussein moved his chemical weapons to Syria six weeks before the war started, Israel’s top general during Operation Iraqi Freedom says.

The assertion comes as President Bush said yesterday that much of the intelligence on Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction was incorrect.

The Israeli officer, Lieutenant General Moshe Yaalon, asserted that Saddam spirited his chemical weapons out of the country on the eve of the war. “He transferred the chemical agents from Iraq to Syria,” General Yaalon told The New York Sun over dinner in New York on Tuesday night. “No one went to Syria to find it.”

From July 2002 to June 2005, when he retired, General Yaalon was chief of staff of the Israel Defense Force, the top job in the Israeli military, analogous to the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff in the American military. He is now a military fellow at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy. He made similar, but more speculative, remarks in April 2004 that attracted little notice in America; at that time he was quoted as saying of the Iraqi weapons, “Perhaps they transferred them to another country, such as Syria.”

The Israeli general’s remarks came on the eve of Mr. Bush’s speech to the Woodrow Wilson Center in Washington, in which the president addressed the issue of intelligence and defended the decision to go to war. “When we made the decision to go into Iraq, many intelligence agencies around the world judged that Saddam possessed weapons of mass destruction. This judgment was shared by the intelligence agencies of governments who did not support my decision to remove Saddam. And it is true that much of the intelligence turned out to be wrong,” Mr. Bush said in remarks that were one of a series of speeches he has given recently on the war.

Mr. Bush’s defense of the war echoed themes he has been pressing since before the war began and through his successful campaign for re-election. “Given Saddam’s history and the lessons of September the 11th, my decision to remove Saddam Hussein was the right decision. Saddam was a threat - and the American people and the world is better off because he is no longer in power.”

An official at the Iraqi embassy in Washington, Entifadh Qanbar, said he believed the Israeli general’s account, but that the Iraqi government is “basically operating in the dark” because it does not have its own intelligence agency. He said the issue underscored the need for the new Iraqi government to have control of its own intelligence service. “We don’t have any way to find anything out about Syria because we don’t have intelligence,” Mr. Qanbar said. He said there is a high-rise building in Baghdad with 1,000 employees working on intelligence but that it has no budget appropriation from the Iraqi government and “doesn’t report to the Iraqi government.”

“Nobody knows who it belongs to, but you should understand who it belongs to,” he said, in what was apparently a reference to American involvement.

An Iraqi politician, Mithal Al-Alusi, whose sons were both assassinated in Iraq last year, told The New York Sun’s Eli Lake last month that his party would press the Iraqi government to renew the search for weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. Mr. Al-Alusi said he believes Saddam clearly had the weapons before the invasion. “They will find the weapons, I am sure they will,” Mr. Al-Alusi said.

A spokesman at the Syrian embassy in Washington did not return a call seeking comment. But General Yaalon’s comment could increase pressure on the Syrian government that is already mounting from Washington and the United Nations. Mr. Bush has been keeping the rhetorical heat on Damascus. On Monday, he said in a speech, “Iraq’s neighbor to the west, Syria, is permitting terrorists to use that territory to cross into Iraq.”

Also Monday, Mr. Bush issued a statement saying, "Syria must comply with United Nations Security Council Resolutions 1559, 1595, and 1636 and end its interference in Lebanon once and for all. "The resolutions call for ending Syria’s occupation of Lebanon and for Syrian cooperation into the investigation of the assassination of a Lebanese politician, Rafik Hariri.

On Saturday, the White House issued a statement calling attention to Syrian prisoners of conscience such as Kamal Labwani. “The Syrian Government must cease its harassment of Syrians peacefully seeking to bring democratic reform to their country. The United States stands with the Syrian people in their desire for freedom and democracy,” said the statement, issued in the name of the White House press secretary.

Yesterday, the State Department spokesman, Sean McCormack, described Syria as an “oppressive regime.” He also pointed to a recent report by a United Nations investigator looking into the assassination of Hariri. “The Syrian Government has failed to offer its full cooperation,” Mr. McCormack said, citing the U.N. investigator’s report that “details allegations of document burning by the Syrians, of intimidating witnesses.”

When, during an interview with the Sun in April, Vice President Cheney was asked whether he thought that Iraqi weapons of mass destruction had been moved to Syria, Mr. Cheney replied only that he had seen such reports.

An article in the Fall 2005 Middle East Quarterly reports that in an appearance on Israel’s Channel 2 on December 23, 2002, Israel’s prime minister, Ariel Sharon stated, “Chemical and biological weapons which Saddam is endeavoring to conceal have been moved from Iraq to Syria.” The allegation was denied by the Syrian government at the time as “completely untrue,” and it attracted scant American press attention, coming as it did on the eve of the Christmas holiday.

Syria shares a 376-mile border with Iraq. The Syrian ruling party and Saddam Hussein had in common the ideology of Baathism, a mixture of Nazism and Marxism.

Syria is one of only eight countries that has not signed the Chemical Weapons Convention, a treaty that obligates nations not to stockpile or use chemical weapons. And it has long been the source of concern in America and Israel and Lebanon about its chemical warfare program apart from any weapons that may have been received from Iraq. The director of Central Intelligence, George Tenet, testified before the Senate Armed Services Committee in March of 2004, “Damascus has an active CW development and testing program that relies on foreign suppliers for key controlled chemicals suitable for producing CW.”

Fahd-

Eat a dick. RLTW

rangertab75

[quote]rangertab75 wrote:
Fahd-

Eat a dick. RLTW

rangertab75[/quote]

What a convincing argument.

Makkun