These are very similar to my pre-TRT lab numbers TT was 285 then, so my hope of bouncing back seems to be in vain. From these labs I’m assuming its primary hypogonadism since my LH and FSH are normal. My nuts just aren’t doing it. Im struggling with the thought of going back on, but Ive gone back to feeling tired a lot. Bags under my eyes, just not feeling great, but otherwise my symptoms are tollerable. The good news is my ED is better, and I have a Viagra prescription now which works great for me. Trying to decide what to do now…
Any advice? SHould I give it more time to see if maybe I haven’t bounced all the way back yet?
[quote]Jdeck wrote:
I just started dating a really nice and really hot girl and im afraid when the time comes Im not gonna be gtg and thats gonna crush me. Before TRT my performance and drive was fine. Ive already been off the AI for about a week now, so far as of today nothing has changed. [/quote]
I don’t HAVE to use testosterone or viagra just bring me a chick that makes me horny.
Your testes might work well if your LH was higher. A hCG challenge, with a normal 250iu/EOD dose would provide some interesting data. This checks out your testes.
Nolvadex will increase LH/FSH. This checks out the top end of your HPTA.
A restart could be hCG for a month or more, to get testes recovered, do E2, TT and FT. Then switch to Nolvadex for 3-4 weeks and do labs E2, LH/FSH, TT and FT. Then slowly taper off of the SERM.
If you increase T, E2 will increase. You many need to take anastrozole at 0.5mg/week. This will affect how you feel and when you taper off of the SERM, it can be important to keep E2 in check to prevent estrogen rebound/shutdown. It might be useful to cruise on that anastrozole dose.
KSman,
Thanks for all your contributions to this site. Does it matter that I was on HCG before I quit the T injections? When I quit the T a month ago, I crashed for about a week then I started feeling better. Im kinda thinking Im back to normal production at this point since my LH and FSH are in the midrange. Thats why Im wondering if my testes are just weak and wont get any better.
Shouldn’t my Testes be functioning as normal as they can since I was on HCG during TRT and they didn’t shrink? I have a script for HCG and can take that now, but is Nolvadex something I need a script for?
My biggest concern is going back on T for a lifetime if there is any chance my test will get higher naturally. I do have low-T sysmptoms, mainly lack of energy and brain fog, which sucks.
Your LH is lowish now and that can affect the physical structure of the testes. hCG will get them to a state of what they would be doing with a normal level of LH. Then when the SERM replaces hCG with LH and you taper off of the SERM, you are giving the system a start with the both ends in a running state. The mid point labs are a steering point.
Ok, I ran the HCG for 3 weeks now and I feel like my testes are fine at this point. I have some Nolva and I have a few questions before I start. What useful information would I get out of blood results at this point after using the HCG and not the Nolva? After using HCG alone, should my T be in the normal range if my lowT is secondary? or if it is primary would my T still be low while replacing LH with the HCG?
I really wanna start this Nolva and start to feeling better right away, just not sure if a blood test at this point is really gonna be useful and what would be expected after doing the HCG portion of the restart attempt…
What would be the best Nolva restart dose.
I’ve read 40Mg day for two weeks then 20mg for two weeks… Is that right?
With the hCG, how do you feel, what did you notice. If hCG has provided good T levels, then the testes are working fine and you had secondary hypogonadism. If otherwise you are primary. Many have a combination.
You can switch to Nolvadex, then LH/FSH should be up. T production depends on hCG response, activating the same receptors. Test for LH/FSH. If not up, you are not going to restart to a healthy level. Otherwise, the top and bottom ends of your HPTA are working.
After a few weeks, taper off of the Nolvadex slowly.
You landed here started on TRT, so we did not ask for diagnostic info. Please provide info from the “Advice for New Guys” sticky. And do not skip the iodine, temperature thyroid issues!
Post complete labs. We also need cholesterol results.
Uhm, yeah. Arimidex KILLS sex drive… Even if E2 is put into better balance.
I’ve read some articles about its ability to disrupt cortisol to some extent as well. Gotta remember that it was originally developed as a chemotherapy drug, and is heavy stuff. Its likely that it has other enzyme-interferring properties beyond that of aromatase…
I have my labs after taking 3 weeks of HCG before starting the Nolvadex
TT=341 (348-1197) ← This is up 100 points from 235 on oct 23rd
FT=10 (8.7-25.1)
E2=15.3
LH=2.6
FSH= didn’t get
(being on HCG I think LH and FSH would be low anyway)
Any chance with these numbers from HCG alone that my testicles are normal enough to get my T inside the normal range, or does this prove I have primary hypogonadism?
Im running Nolvadex right now 40/40/20/20 then going for more labs. fingers are crossed
Yes, I have great news… After running the HCG and Nolvadex My T has returned to normal numbers. I think maybe stress had caused my T to drop in the first place, because I had gone through a couple years of horrible failed marriage to a crazy woman. What some have referred to as a lazy HPTA system is probably what I had experienced.
My LH was on the low side and not calling for the higher T numbers, so I guess I wasn’t primary hypogonadal. There is hope for some guys to use this restart regiment to jumpstart their natural production and I would recommend any guy to try this before going on TRT for the rest of their life. My blood test was about 2 weeks after finishing the nolvadex cycle and the numbers are below.
Hopefully my system will maintain these numbers and not dwindle back down over time.
TT=670
FT=19
E2=23
LH=9
Is there any longterm natural supplements or meds that will keep LH numbers higher if your HPTA system is lazy? Thyroid meds, etc?
Also my libido and normal erections are back, which is why I started this thread in the first place. Im back to normal in the bedroom and my girlfriend is a happy camper. Thank God!
[quote]Jdeck wrote:
KSman,
Thanks for all your contributions to this site. Does it matter that I was on HCG before I quit the T injections? When I quit the T a month ago, I crashed for about a week then I started feeling better. Im kinda thinking Im back to normal production at this point since my LH and FSH are in the midrange. Thats why Im wondering if my testes are just weak and wont get any better.
Shouldn’t my Testes be functioning as normal as they can since I was on HCG during TRT and they didn’t shrink? I have a script for HCG and can take that now, but is Nolvadex something I need a script for?
My biggest concern is going back on T for a lifetime if there is any chance my test will get higher naturally. I do have low-T sysmptoms, mainly lack of energy and brain fog, which sucks.[/quote]
Hey man, 51, been on TRT for 3 plus years. As was mentioned when you were on, using ADEX at .5 EOD would literally kill my libido and sex drive. If you go back on, leave the Adex out or cut it down to like .25 E5D or .125 E3d. It is a bit of trail and error. I only use it now if I add other compounds, like Prop or dbol. Good luck to you.
Im 25 years old and went on TRT about 8 months ago and started with 250mg/ml weekly and eventually bumped it up to 375 during the last 3 months. My t levels were in normal range but just wanted to get them higher and see what benefits it would have. I noticed my libido had lowered after 3 or 4 months and eventually it was really hard for me to get an erection. I was given anastrozole but never took it since I feared it might cause ED. I eventually decided to get off of TRT and about a week after I noticed my erections had gone back to normal. After reading some threads I noticed some people having luck with this certain issue by implementing HCG. Is this a common “cure” for this or is there anything else that can be done? is this a common problem for people on TRT?
I definitely would like to get back on so any feedback would be greatly appreciated. Thanks guys.
Start a new thread and post your info on it. You don’t want to hijack someone else’s log. Read through the “stickies” at the top of the page (advice for new guys, blood testing) and fill out your log accordingly. There are many questions that you need to answer before anyone can give you advice.
Why are you on TRT? Why is the dose so high? Why did you not take the anastrozole? 375mg/week is borderline T cycle. Common cure for…erections? hCG keeps the testes functioning when on TRT because your HPTA is suppressed while on TRT and you will get testicular atrophy. Those are just a couple of questions that need to be answered.
My ED has been cured at least in the short term by supping Iodine,DHEA, and Pregnenolone. Its been just about 2weeks so the jury is still out but I was bad off with libido and erections leaving a lot to be desired. Taking those supplements has turned me around almost overnight. I could tell a difference after the first day.
Im going for bw in about 3 weeks and maybe my T is going to be higher. I’d never had my Thyroid, T3, Cortisol, checked so I’m kinda blindly supping things that hopefully will boost all my hormones.
Since my T is low but my LH is normal, is like there is a missing link somewhere in there. LowT should raise my LH. I’ll be interested to see if adrenal fatigue or iodine deficiency may be the cause of the Low T.
