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[quote]anonym wrote:

[quote]yvanehtnioj wrote:
Hey anonym, can you please recommend me some textbooks or other books on nutrition? I’ve taken bio 101 and 102 already, and am taking cell bio right now. [/quote]

This book here built my initial knowledge base on nutrition (along with my favorite prof’s lectures, PPT slides and ramblings).

Besides that, I like:

“Academic” (not necessarily “finding them in your college book store”, just that they are packed with excellent scientific information for their subjects)
1.Know Your Fats by Mary Enig.
2. Encyclopedia of Human Nutrition [4 volume set] by Caballero, Allen and Prentice. I have never formally “studied” it (too dry and diverse in scope) and have yet to read through the entire thing (2,000+ pages), but it’s crazy comprehensive and chock-full of good stuff.
3. The Ketogenic Diet by Lyle McDonald.
4. The Fat Loss Bible by Anthony Colpo. I posted a small table from this book earlier in the thread.
5. They’re All Mad! by Anthony Colpo. Not really a “book”, per se, but a (free, I think) 100 page pdf of him ranting about arguments he’s been in with a couple big names in the LC community. Rehashes his research from The FLB and dismantles research thrown around by several LC gurus.

Right now, I’m working through Bioactive Foods in Promoting Health: Probiotics and Prebiotics and am finding it pretty darn interesting. I have the Fruits and Vegetables one lined up for after this.

Beyond books (which I don’t have all that many of), I’m a sucker for digging about for review articles on various subjects related to nutrition/metabolism (off the top of my head, a lot of random stuff like DNL, glyceroneogenesis, satiety signals and nutrigenomics in addition to individual nutrient reviews). These are usually an “easy” (quick/convenient, not simple) way to immerse myself in a subject I am unfamiliar with just to get a solid idea of what’s going on and to see if I want to continue researching. I typically use these as stand-alone material in many cases, but I DO make a habit of being skeptical of ones that are overly enthusiastic/negative about any particular subject (I like to read the primary literature to form my own conclusions when my spidey sense starts tingling about a possible bias).

I find this is where information moves from being “basic” textbook stuff to nice and heavy.

Now that I know how to upload them to the interwebz, I can do that if anyone is interested in whatever it was I listed. Actually, I could do this for lifty if he is still curious about those questions he asked a page or two ago.

Obvi, a college-level phsyiology/biochem book is a “must have”, as well (though you should be covered for that). Knowing how the body works on even an undergraduate level will really help flesh out the stuff you read so that you can a) get the jargon, b) interpret the material in an appropriate context and c) understand how all this information fits into the “big picture” rather than just being a plethora of facts.

Part ‘c’ is probably the hardest part for most and is something I’ll be working on for years to come. Once you stop seeing all this information as a collection of trivia and start seeing how each new fact is a thread in a much more intricate tapestry, you’ll be in business.

Other than that…

Non-Academic

  1. The Omnivore’s Dilemma by Michael Pollan
  2. In Defense of Food by Michael Pollan
  3. The Rapid Fat Loss Handbook by Lyle McDonald
  4. The Ultimate Diet 2.0 by Lyle McDonald
    (Can you tell I like Lyle’s stuff, yet?)
  5. Nutrition and Physical Degeneration by Weston A. Price
  6. Fast Food Nation by Eric Schlosser

This turned out longer than I expected so I gotta stop. If you can’t find any of these at a reasonable price, let me know. My PMs are pretty hit-or-miss, so just throw up a request in this thread and I’ll see what I can do.

Hope this helps.[/quote]

Thank you so much! I really appreciate it. I may be pushing it here, but nearly all of those books cost quite a bit, and I need that money to buy this year’s books. Is it possible that you can throw up as many of books you listed as you can? Thanks if you can.

I get what you’re saying about seeing how the big picture works. With chemistry, cell bio, and bio I was able to pick up on a decent amount of yours and dr. Matt’s points, but I still have a long very way to go. It still all seems like a bunch of facts to me, and I was feeling pretty bad that I haven’t been able to piece things together yet, but it makes me feel a lot better knowing that is something you admit you need to work on. I plan on going into medicine, so exposing myself to as much of this material as possible can only benefit me.

Thanks again.

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[quote]yvanehtnioj wrote:

[quote]anonym wrote:

[quote]yvanehtnioj wrote:
Hey anonym, can you please recommend me some textbooks or other books on nutrition? I’ve taken bio 101 and 102 already, and am taking cell bio right now. [/quote]

This book here built my initial knowledge base on nutrition (along with my favorite prof’s lectures, PPT slides and ramblings).

Besides that, I like:

“Academic” (not necessarily “finding them in your college book store”, just that they are packed with excellent scientific information for their subjects)
1.Know Your Fats by Mary Enig.
2. Encyclopedia of Human Nutrition [4 volume set] by Caballero, Allen and Prentice. I have never formally “studied” it (too dry and diverse in scope) and have yet to read through the entire thing (2,000+ pages), but it’s crazy comprehensive and chock-full of good stuff.
3. The Ketogenic Diet by Lyle McDonald.
4. The Fat Loss Bible by Anthony Colpo. I posted a small table from this book earlier in the thread.
5. They’re All Mad! by Anthony Colpo. Not really a “book”, per se, but a (free, I think) 100 page pdf of him ranting about arguments he’s been in with a couple big names in the LC community. Rehashes his research from The FLB and dismantles research thrown around by several LC gurus.

Right now, I’m working through Bioactive Foods in Promoting Health: Probiotics and Prebiotics and am finding it pretty darn interesting. I have the Fruits and Vegetables one lined up for after this.

Beyond books (which I don’t have all that many of), I’m a sucker for digging about for review articles on various subjects related to nutrition/metabolism (off the top of my head, a lot of random stuff like DNL, glyceroneogenesis, satiety signals and nutrigenomics in addition to individual nutrient reviews). These are usually an “easy” (quick/convenient, not simple) way to immerse myself in a subject I am unfamiliar with just to get a solid idea of what’s going on and to see if I want to continue researching. I typically use these as stand-alone material in many cases, but I DO make a habit of being skeptical of ones that are overly enthusiastic/negative about any particular subject (I like to read the primary literature to form my own conclusions when my spidey sense starts tingling about a possible bias).

I find this is where information moves from being “basic” textbook stuff to nice and heavy.

Now that I know how to upload them to the interwebz, I can do that if anyone is interested in whatever it was I listed. Actually, I could do this for lifty if he is still curious about those questions he asked a page or two ago.

Obvi, a college-level phsyiology/biochem book is a “must have”, as well (though you should be covered for that). Knowing how the body works on even an undergraduate level will really help flesh out the stuff you read so that you can a) get the jargon, b) interpret the material in an appropriate context and c) understand how all this information fits into the “big picture” rather than just being a plethora of facts.

Part ‘c’ is probably the hardest part for most and is something I’ll be working on for years to come. Once you stop seeing all this information as a collection of trivia and start seeing how each new fact is a thread in a much more intricate tapestry, you’ll be in business.

Other than that…

Non-Academic

  1. The Omnivore’s Dilemma by Michael Pollan
  2. In Defense of Food by Michael Pollan
  3. The Rapid Fat Loss Handbook by Lyle McDonald
  4. The Ultimate Diet 2.0 by Lyle McDonald
    (Can you tell I like Lyle’s stuff, yet?)
  5. Nutrition and Physical Degeneration by Weston A. Price
  6. Fast Food Nation by Eric Schlosser

This turned out longer than I expected so I gotta stop. If you can’t find any of these at a reasonable price, let me know. My PMs are pretty hit-or-miss, so just throw up a request in this thread and I’ll see what I can do.

Hope this helps.[/quote]

Thank you so much! I really appreciate it. I may be pushing it here, but nearly all of those books cost quite a bit, and I need that money to buy this year’s books. Is it possible that you can throw up as many of books you listed as you can? Thanks if you can.

I get what you’re saying about seeing how the big picture works. With chemistry, cell bio, and bio I was able to pick up on a decent amount of yours and dr. Matt’s points, but I still have a long very way to go. It still all seems like a bunch of facts to me, and I was feeling pretty bad that I haven’t been able to piece things together yet, but it makes me feel a lot better knowing that is something you admit you need to work on. I plan on going into medicine, so exposing myself to as much of this material as possible can only benefit me.

Thanks again.
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Go to Amazon.com and look for used editions and last generation editions (there will be very little difference between editions of any textbook). You may be able to save a buttload of money.

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[quote]yvanehtnioj wrote:
Thank you so much! I really appreciate it. I may be pushing it here, but nearly all of those books cost quite a bit, and I need that money to buy this year’s books. Is it possible that you can throw up as many of books you listed as you can? Thanks if you can.[/quote]

TBH, most of those can be found easily enough to anyone with at least a modicum of internet savviness.

I’m not gonna personally hand out the smaller books (by Colpo, McDonald, etc) because I respect their work (and try to keep myself loyal to the nutrition e-community) and don’t think they are getting rich off of those pieces. Also, as Dr. Matt wrote, they can be found extremely cheap on Amazon.

But, as someone who knows how it is being a broke-ass college student on the grind, I’ll help with the textbooks if you come up empty handed in your search.

[quote]yvanehtnioj wrote:
I get what you’re saying about seeing how the big picture works. With chemistry, cell bio, and bio I was able to pick up on a decent amount of yours and dr. Matt’s points, but I still have a long very way to go. It still all seems like a bunch of facts to me, and I was feeling pretty bad that I haven’t been able to piece things together yet, but it makes me feel a lot better knowing that is something you admit you need to work on.[/quote]

I imagine this has a lot to do with actually applying the information rather than just reading it. That’s another benefit to receiving a formal education on these kinds of subjects.

[quote]yvanehtnioj wrote:
I plan on going into medicine, so exposing myself to as much of this material as possible can only benefit me.

Thanks again.[/quote]

It certainly can’t hurt, though it might not be entirely applicable to most of your studies (outside of the biochem and the A&P, of course; I hear the nutrition stuff is pretty generic in med school). Just be sure to get this outta the way before going (and not at the expense of you bio, chem, physics and other MCAT prep work) because you certainly won’t have the time to be reviewing any of this while working for that white coat.

Good luck with that, man. And keep me posted on the search.

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I used to get books from here really cheap

http://www.campusbooks.com/

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[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:
There seems to be some bright people as far as nutrition goes so I’ll go ahead and throw this out there since it does seem semi-related. What are some good dietary choices as far as high blood pressure goes? I know fish oil and olive oil are decent choices. Anybody know anything a little more in-depth?[/quote]

No smoking, no alcohol.

But, you knew that.

Insulin seems to raise blood pressure by making the blood vessels less elastic.

So, keep your blood sugar low.

Exercise, its the best blood pressure lowering agent known to man, though I would not lift heavy if your blood pressure already was dangerously high.

Weight loss lowers your blood pressure significantly.

Which brings us back to: no smoking, no alcohol, avoid high GI foods, exercise, lose weight.

No matter how much thought you put into this, the answers remain depressingly pedestrian.

Or, to put it another way, there is nothing to it but to do it.

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:
There seems to be some bright people as far as nutrition goes so I’ll go ahead and throw this out there since it does seem semi-related. What are some good dietary choices as far as high blood pressure goes? I know fish oil and olive oil are decent choices. Anybody know anything a little more in-depth?[/quote]

No smoking, no alcohol.

But, you knew that.

Insulin seems to raise blood pressure by making the blood vessels less elastic.

So, keep your blood sugar low.

Exercise, its the best blood pressure lowering agent known to man, though I would not lift heavy if your blood pressure already was dangerously high.

Weight loss lowers your blood pressure significantly.

Which brings us back to: no smoking, no alcohol, avoid high GI foods, exercise, lose weight.

No matter how much thought you put into this, the answers remain depressingly pedestrian.

Or, to put it another way, there is nothing to it but to do it.
[/quote]

Weight loss or more specifically fat loss?

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[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:
There seems to be some bright people as far as nutrition goes so I’ll go ahead and throw this out there since it does seem semi-related. What are some good dietary choices as far as high blood pressure goes? I know fish oil and olive oil are decent choices. Anybody know anything a little more in-depth?[/quote]

No smoking, no alcohol.

But, you knew that.

Insulin seems to raise blood pressure by making the blood vessels less elastic.

So, keep your blood sugar low.

Exercise, its the best blood pressure lowering agent known to man, though I would not lift heavy if your blood pressure already was dangerously high.

Weight loss lowers your blood pressure significantly.

Which brings us back to: no smoking, no alcohol, avoid high GI foods, exercise, lose weight.

No matter how much thought you put into this, the answers remain depressingly pedestrian.

Or, to put it another way, there is nothing to it but to do it.
[/quote]

Weight loss or more specifically fat loss?[/quote]

I have no idea.

My gut instinct (ha!) would be that the more visceral fat you lose the better, but I honestly cannot say.

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Well, having thought about this, there are of course medical conditions that can raise blood pressure, like renal failure.

However, having worked hard not to get there, I am not quite sure what to do if you get there.

I do know though that renal failure raises blood pressure and that high blood pressure damages the kidneys.

Its like, not a good place to be in, man…

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anyone interested in this topic should watch this:

yes, it’s from Mr. Anti-HFCS himself, but it’s pretty good