Obama's Scorecard

Ryan_P_McCarter · February 3, 2010, 10:07pm

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
It sounds like this alleged work you did was for a parasite, and that probably pissed you off. This is what is called paying your dues. No one gets their dream job right off the bat, you gotta earn it, and eventually work for it. You further lead me to believe that you were a spoiled brat, who cried when daddy didn’t get you the car you wanted when you turned 16.

By the way, you have called almost everyone who disagrees with you some kind of condescending name under the sun, Mr. Integrity. If you step in the ring, you accept all that comes with it. Got it punkin’? [/quote]

I’d first like to address the second part of your post.

It’s pretty laughable that someone like you, who posts nothing but bullshit, who then insults anyone who points out what a jackass he is being by presenting him with some information, gets so butthurt about being called names. I get insulted more than anyone else that I can think of on this board (not that I’m complaining, really, it’s expected), but then I’m supposed to turn the other cheek so that I won’t hurt your feelings? Don’t dish it out if you can’t take it, little man.

But anyway, right before you reproach me for being mean, you can’t avoid resorting to personal insults, completely missing the irony. I expected it, seeing that, as far economics and politics goes, you couldn’t find your ass with both hands with the lights on, but do at least try to live up to your own standards, or don’t expect me to.

Ryan_P_McCarter · February 3, 2010, 10:10pm

Realy? Because I haven’t heard one yet, especially not from you. About the best you’ve managed is “your ideology is evil.” But I guess a fact for a conservative is not the same as a fact for a rational person. By the way, since I assume you’re talking about me: socialists are not liberals.

Ryan_P_McCarter · February 3, 2010, 10:12pm

[quote]katzenjammer wrote:

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
I guess we’re doomed to live with those who put primacy on their feelings and NOT on what’s right and wrong.
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They don’t believe in right and wrong - only in their own subjective feelings. No wonder this nation is a madhouse. [/quote]

The circle jerk is very comforting, and it prevents you from having to actually make a point, but it doesn’t make your case. In the absence of anything substantive, I’ll assume that you admit you were being a jackass? Don’t worry, your silence and/or personal insults will tell me all I need to know.

Ryan_P_McCarter · February 3, 2010, 10:14pm

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Back to the topic: Tomorrow, it’ll be announced that we really lost an additional 850,000 jobs or so, and that it was being covered up. So much for openness and honesty.

I’m too tired to source this. Maybe someone else will; but it will happen.

The official unemp rate is actually well over 11%.[/quote]

Yet we should cut spending. That’ll do the trick, as well as tame the deficit, massive decreases in revenues notwithstanding. Somehow.

Ah, the sheer rationality of conservative thinking is always refreshing.

florelius · February 3, 2010, 10:44pm

[quote]Ryan P. McCarter wrote:

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Back to the topic: Tomorrow, it’ll be announced that we really lost an additional 850,000 jobs or so, and that it was being covered up. So much for openness and honesty.

I’m too tired to source this. Maybe someone else will; but it will happen.

The official unemp rate is actually well over 11%.[/quote]

Yet we should cut spending. That’ll do the trick, as well as tame the deficit, massive decreases in revenues notwithstanding. Somehow.

Ah, the sheer rationality of conservative thinking is always refreshing.[/quote]

why do you bother discussing with this guys, they dont even now the difference between socialliberals and socialists. they problably thinks that norway and sweden is socialist.

Headhunter · February 4, 2010, 2:18am

[quote]florelius wrote:

[quote]Ryan P. McCarter wrote:

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Back to the topic: Tomorrow, it’ll be announced that we really lost an additional 850,000 jobs or so, and that it was being covered up. So much for openness and honesty.

I’m too tired to source this. Maybe someone else will; but it will happen.

The official unemp rate is actually well over 11%.[/quote]

Yet we should cut spending. That’ll do the trick, as well as tame the deficit, massive decreases in revenues notwithstanding. Somehow.

Ah, the sheer rationality of conservative thinking is always refreshing.[/quote]

why do you bother discussing with this guys, they dont even now the difference between socialliberals and socialists. they problably thinks that norway and sweden is socialist.
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I thought they were communist.

If someone means social liberals, then should they say that? Or ‘socialist’, with its connection to National Socialism and Soviet Socialism?

I thought Norway had a good educational system.

Headhunter · February 4, 2010, 2:24am

[quote]Ryan P. McCarter wrote:

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Back to the topic: Tomorrow, it’ll be announced that we really lost an additional 850,000 jobs or so, and that it was being covered up. So much for openness and honesty.

I’m too tired to source this. Maybe someone else will; but it will happen.

The official unemp rate is actually well over 11%.[/quote]

Yet we should cut spending. That’ll do the trick, as well as tame the deficit, massive decreases in revenues notwithstanding. Somehow.

Ah, the sheer rationality of conservative thinking is always refreshing.[/quote]

Smoking might cause lung cancer. Cure? Smoke more.

Banks lose money from bad loans. Cure? Make sub-prime loans, lots of 'em.

Spending more than you earn might cause bankruptcy. Cure? Spend more.

News flash for libs: Due to budget constraints, the light at the end of the tunnel has been turned off.

MaximusB · February 4, 2010, 2:58am

[quote]Ryan P. McCarter wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
It sounds like this alleged work you did was for a parasite, and that probably pissed you off. This is what is called paying your dues. No one gets their dream job right off the bat, you gotta earn it, and eventually work for it. You further lead me to believe that you were a spoiled brat, who cried when daddy didn’t get you the car you wanted when you turned 16.

By the way, you have called almost everyone who disagrees with you some kind of condescending name under the sun, Mr. Integrity. If you step in the ring, you accept all that comes with it. Got it punkin’? [/quote]

I’d first like to address the second part of your post.

It’s pretty laughable that someone like you, who posts nothing but bullshit, who then insults anyone who points out what a jackass he is being by presenting him with some information, gets so butthurt about being called names. I get insulted more than anyone else that I can think of on this board (not that I’m complaining, really, it’s expected), but then I’m supposed to turn the other cheek so that I won’t hurt your feelings? Don’t dish it out if you can’t take it, little man.

But anyway, right before you reproach me for being mean, you can’t avoid resorting to personal insults, completely missing the irony. I expected it, seeing that, as far economics and politics goes, you couldn’t find your ass with both hands with the lights on, but do at least try to live up to your own standards, or don’t expect me to.
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I may or may not know shit about politics or economy, I have seen 2 systems of government in my lifetime, and trust me when I tell you the shit you read in some textbook is nothing like how it affects people in the real world. Socialism kills the drive for a better life, because no matter how hard you work, so much of it goes to taxes. Have you ever seen how hard it is to get anything done in European countries? Have you ever been to a European country? Go and see what it’s like, go talk to the people and see how much money they take home after taxes. Go see how they have to budget (something that escapes you), and how they bitch and moan about how they can never get ahead. There are plenty of people who want to make it on their own, and not take a handout. Don’t you like the idea of being your own man? Or boy? You plan on ever growing up?

MaximusB · February 4, 2010, 3:36am

[quote]Ryan P. McCarter wrote:

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Back to the topic: Tomorrow, it’ll be announced that we really lost an additional 850,000 jobs or so, and that it was being covered up. So much for openness and honesty.

I’m too tired to source this. Maybe someone else will; but it will happen.

The official unemp rate is actually well over 11%.[/quote]

Yet we should cut spending. That’ll do the trick, as well as tame the deficit, massive decreases in revenues notwithstanding. Somehow.

Ah, the sheer rationality of conservative thinking is always refreshing.[/quote]

According to this logic, when you have a leaky pipe you would rather get more buckets to collect the increasing water rather than plug the leak.

JEATON · February 4, 2010, 3:14am

[quote]Headhunter wrote:

[quote]Ryan P. McCarter wrote:

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Back to the topic: Tomorrow, it’ll be announced that we really lost an additional 850,000 jobs or so, and that it was being covered up. So much for openness and honesty.

I’m too tired to source this. Maybe someone else will; but it will happen.

The official unemp rate is actually well over 11%.[/quote]

Yet we should cut spending. That’ll do the trick, as well as tame the deficit, massive decreases in revenues notwithstanding. Somehow.

Ah, the sheer rationality of conservative thinking is always refreshing.[/quote]

Smoking might cause lung cancer. Cure? Smoke more.

Banks lose money from bad loans. Cure? Make sub-prime loans, lots of 'em.

Spending more than you earn might cause bankruptcy. Cure? Spend more.

News flash for libs: Due to budget constraints, the light at the end of the tunnel has been turned off.
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Well done, sir. Well done.

Ryan_P_McCarter · February 4, 2010, 8:46am

[quote]florelius wrote:

[quote]Ryan P. McCarter wrote:

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Back to the topic: Tomorrow, it’ll be announced that we really lost an additional 850,000 jobs or so, and that it was being covered up. So much for openness and honesty.

I’m too tired to source this. Maybe someone else will; but it will happen.

The official unemp rate is actually well over 11%.[/quote]

Yet we should cut spending. That’ll do the trick, as well as tame the deficit, massive decreases in revenues notwithstanding. Somehow.

Ah, the sheer rationality of conservative thinking is always refreshing.[/quote]

why do you bother discussing with this guys, they dont even now the difference between socialliberals and socialists. they problably thinks that norway and sweden is socialist.
[/quote]

It is somewhat entertaining, who knows? one of us may learn something.

Ryan_P_McCarter · February 4, 2010, 8:48am

[quote]Headhunter wrote:Smoking might cause lung cancer. Cure? Smoke more.

Banks lose money from bad loans. Cure? Make sub-prime loans, lots of 'em.

Spending more than you earn might cause bankruptcy. Cure? Spend more.

News flash for libs: Due to budget constraints, the light at the end of the tunnel has been turned off.
[/quote]

There were lots of loans made, but the government had next to nothing to do with it. The whole notion of banks being forced into lending is a fairy tale created by the right.

And then again, spending is not the problem right now. NOT spending is the problem, which you would know if you knew what a recession was. But fine, cut spending, just like they did during the Depression, and cause more businesses to fail, and more jobs to be lost, and see what that does to your revenues.

Ryan_P_McCarter · February 4, 2010, 8:49am

[quote]MaximusB wrote:

[quote]Ryan P. McCarter wrote:

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Back to the topic: Tomorrow, it’ll be announced that we really lost an additional 850,000 jobs or so, and that it was being covered up. So much for openness and honesty.

I’m too tired to source this. Maybe someone else will; but it will happen.

The official unemp rate is actually well over 11%.[/quote]

Yet we should cut spending. That’ll do the trick, as well as tame the deficit, massive decreases in revenues notwithstanding. Somehow.

Ah, the sheer rationality of conservative thinking is always refreshing.[/quote]

According to this logic, when you have a leaky pipe you would rather get more buckets to collect the increasing water rather than plug the leak. [/quote]

That would be true, if the leaky pipe were the main problem. You’re confused.

Headhunter · February 4, 2010, 10:01am

[quote]JEATON wrote:

[quote]Headhunter wrote:

[quote]Ryan P. McCarter wrote:

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Back to the topic: Tomorrow, it’ll be announced that we really lost an additional 850,000 jobs or so, and that it was being covered up. So much for openness and honesty.

I’m too tired to source this. Maybe someone else will; but it will happen.

The official unemp rate is actually well over 11%.[/quote]

Yet we should cut spending. That’ll do the trick, as well as tame the deficit, massive decreases in revenues notwithstanding. Somehow.

Ah, the sheer rationality of conservative thinking is always refreshing.[/quote]

Smoking might cause lung cancer. Cure? Smoke more.

Banks lose money from bad loans. Cure? Make sub-prime loans, lots of 'em.

Spending more than you earn might cause bankruptcy. Cure? Spend more.

News flash for libs: Due to budget constraints, the light at the end of the tunnel has been turned off.
[/quote]

Well done, sir. Well done.[/quote]

Thank you. Of course, Ryan won’t get it. A very interesting aspect of liberal ideology is that accepting it prevents that person from understanding any other point of view. This is certainly true of any ideology but less so in conservatism.

I have read all 4 volumes of Marx’s Das Kapital. I’ve read Marcuse and Freud, Hegel and Kant; and of course Rand and Rothbard. Its easy to see how one can accept emotionally the POV of an author. Yet those on the Right seem way more likely to say: “Judge for yourself.” So in that sense, conservatism does not seem out to mentally capture its adherents.

Liberalism is.

orion · February 4, 2010, 10:07am

[quote]florelius wrote:

[quote]Ryan P. McCarter wrote:

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Back to the topic: Tomorrow, it’ll be announced that we really lost an additional 850,000 jobs or so, and that it was being covered up. So much for openness and honesty.

I’m too tired to source this. Maybe someone else will; but it will happen.

The official unemp rate is actually well over 11%.[/quote]

Yet we should cut spending. That’ll do the trick, as well as tame the deficit, massive decreases in revenues notwithstanding. Somehow.

Ah, the sheer rationality of conservative thinking is always refreshing.[/quote]

why do you bother discussing with this guys, they dont even now the difference between socialliberals and socialists. they problably thinks that norway and sweden is socialist.
[/quote]

Social democracy was a movement to achieve what exactly?

Thank you for playing, but to accuse other people of ignorance while revealing your ignorance in the same post…

And yes, they are around 2/3 socialist countries where they go to the schools their governments tells them to go to, learn the stuff their governmnets wants them to learn, have state run health care and social security systems and maybe, if they are lucky, they have enough pocket money to decide what color their car should have and where to go to for their vacations.

All important decisions though are made by and through the government.

Now we could go even deeper like the similarities between Sweden and Germany in the 30s but since the Nazis were “right wing” they could not have possibly copied a lot from socialist Sweden and vice versa…

orion · February 4, 2010, 10:12am

[quote]MaximusB wrote:

[quote]Ryan P. McCarter wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
It sounds like this alleged work you did was for a parasite, and that probably pissed you off. This is what is called paying your dues. No one gets their dream job right off the bat, you gotta earn it, and eventually work for it. You further lead me to believe that you were a spoiled brat, who cried when daddy didn’t get you the car you wanted when you turned 16.

By the way, you have called almost everyone who disagrees with you some kind of condescending name under the sun, Mr. Integrity. If you step in the ring, you accept all that comes with it. Got it punkin’? [/quote]

I’d first like to address the second part of your post.

It’s pretty laughable that someone like you, who posts nothing but bullshit, who then insults anyone who points out what a jackass he is being by presenting him with some information, gets so butthurt about being called names. I get insulted more than anyone else that I can think of on this board (not that I’m complaining, really, it’s expected), but then I’m supposed to turn the other cheek so that I won’t hurt your feelings? Don’t dish it out if you can’t take it, little man.

But anyway, right before you reproach me for being mean, you can’t avoid resorting to personal insults, completely missing the irony. I expected it, seeing that, as far economics and politics goes, you couldn’t find your ass with both hands with the lights on, but do at least try to live up to your own standards, or don’t expect me to.
[/quote]

I may or may not know shit about politics or economy, I have seen 2 systems of government in my lifetime, and trust me when I tell you the shit you read in some textbook is nothing like how it affects people in the real world. Socialism kills the drive for a better life, because no matter how hard you work, so much of it goes to taxes. Have you ever seen how hard it is to get anything done in European countries? Have you ever been to a European country? Go and see what it’s like, go talk to the people and see how much money they take home after taxes. Go see how they have to budget (something that escapes you), and how they bitch and moan about how they can never get ahead. There are plenty of people who want to make it on their own, and not take a handout. Don’t you like the idea of being your own man? Or boy? You plan on ever growing up?
[/quote]

That is not entirely true.

You would notice for example that most small businesses do not have systems with automatic tracking of goods and book keeping. That is not because we are completely backwards but because we “cheat” so much on our taxes that it is not even funny anymore.

If you actually do pay all your taxes you are considered to be an idiot.

So you only run into problems if you obey all the laws, but nobody does that.

orion · February 4, 2010, 10:16am

[quote]Ryan P. McCarter wrote:

[quote]Headhunter wrote:Smoking might cause lung cancer. Cure? Smoke more.

Banks lose money from bad loans. Cure? Make sub-prime loans, lots of 'em.

Spending more than you earn might cause bankruptcy. Cure? Spend more.

News flash for libs: Due to budget constraints, the light at the end of the tunnel has been turned off.
[/quote]

There were lots of loans made, but the government had next to nothing to do with it. The whole notion of banks being forced into lending is a fairy tale created by the right.

And then again, spending is not the problem right now. NOT spending is the problem, which you would know if you knew what a recession was. But fine, cut spending, just like they did during the Depression, and cause more businesses to fail, and more jobs to be lost, and see what that does to your revenues.
[/quote]

A recession is when an economy that has produced a bubble due to the inflation of the money supply purges itself from malinvestements and people save to build up the purchasing power to invest again.

Therefore government spending only prolongs the misery and delays capital formation and uses up resources that could have been used in the still profitable areas of the economy.

What did I win?

JEATON · February 4, 2010, 1:37pm

[quote]orion wrote: