So, just found out my 2011 premium is going up 24% to adjust to Obamacare (while benefits are going down). Which of you blood sucking liberals is going to send me a check to back up the guarantee I could keep my coverage the same?
[quote]pat wrote:
So I just came from the driver’s license office. I look around wonder, do people really want imbeciles such as these in charge of their health coverage? You have got to be fucking crazy…[/quote]
According to the polls the overwhelming majority of people DID NOT want national health care. I think the numbers floated somewhere between 64% to as high as 70% against. But you see that didn’t matter to Obama. Where the majority of people see just another government cluster fuck Obama see’s a great utopian health care system. Where those who work hard to proved for their family pay more to the government so that the government can grow even larger and in turn hand a tiny portion of that confiscated cash to those who did not earn it and do not deserve it.
And that is what made America great! Oh wait…no it didn’t. But it will most certainly help destroy it.
Better tax those corporations! Then tax those rich people! Then give us jobs!..oh the irony
[quote]666Rich wrote:
Better tax those corporations! Then tax those rich people! Then give us jobs!..oh the irony[/quote]
Yes, well said. But I think people should take a close look at what Obama says and compare it to what he actually did. He just made a speech calling for higher taxes for the wealthy. But, when he had the opportunity to stick it to the wealthy, and everyone else, by allowing the Bush tax cuts to expire, what did he do? He extended them. Even Obama is aware that higher taxes during these times would crush America. But he also has to get reelected in 12’ so he must say certain things to appeal to his far left base.
Anyone else see this differently?
I just see his policies as betraying the very same that voted for him on a myriad of issues.
Considering that obama care is the issue though, I see it as no more than another failure.
Whoever said healthcare should be more like auto insurance sounds about right.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
So, just found out my 2011 premium is going up 24% to adjust to Obamacare (while benefits are going down). Which of you blood sucking liberals is going to send me a check to back up the guarantee I could keep my coverage the same?[/quote]
Yup, I found out the same thing a couple of months ago too. It was a very politically correct letter stating that to meet the demands of healthcare legislation, premiums are going up and coverage is going down…
That’s why I have to get my back fixed this year…Besides, I blew my deductible out of the water by January.
I posted the letter issued by my HC provider saying my rates were going up, for no reason at all. A GOP candidate would do well to collect such letters and use them in the 2012 presidential run.
[quote]pat wrote:
Here is a good op-ed on the matter.
Now I agree that healthcare in this country is in the shitter, but why change it just change it? [/quote]
Article from the “Investor’s Business Daily.” It provides some very
interesting statistics from a survey by the United Nations World
Health Organization.
Percentage of men and women who survived a cancer five years after
diagnosis:
U.S. 65%
England 46%
Canada 42%
Percentage of patients diagnosed with diabetes who received treatment
within six months:
U.S. 93%
England 15%
Canada 43%
Percentage of seniors needing hip replacement who received it within six
months:
U.S. 90%
England 15%
Canada 43%
Percentage referred to a medical specialist who see one within one month:
U.S. 77%
England 40%
Canada 43%
Number of MRI scanners (a prime diagnostic tool) per million people:
U.S. 71
England 14
Canada 18
Percentage of seniors (65+), with low income, who say they are in
“excellent health”:
U.S. 12%
England 2%
Canada 6%
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
So, just found out my 2011 premium is going up 24% to adjust to Obamacare (while benefits are going down). Which of you blood sucking liberals is going to send me a check to back up the guarantee I could keep my coverage the same?[/quote]
Yup, I found out the same thing a couple of months ago too. It was a very politically correct letter stating that to meet the demands of healthcare legislation, premiums are going up and coverage is going down…
That’s why I have to get my back fixed this year…Besides, I blew my deductible out of the water by January.
[/quote]
Rates have been going up for a long time. Ironically, puting more people on medicaid may lower insurance costs. Most malpractice lawsuits are actually from uninsured “customers” who show up at the hospital for urgent issues and then when they get a $40,000 bill that they can never hope to pay they get mad and sue. These lawsuits drive up the hospitals’ costs. When people come in with medicaid not only are they much less likely to sue, but the hospital actually gets a token payment-not enough to cover their costs but better than nothing. All of this translates into costs that the hospital must make up, which ultimately all become insurance premiums.
And I am not for Obamacare. I am not for requiring companies to provide health insurance and of course against having the government dictate prices and run healthcare, or worse have a single payer system, but I was very glad that my mom had medicare when she got sick. My parents were having to pay like $36,000 a year for insurance before they went on medicare and could have just gotten rejected. I could have been left with a dilemna of going bankrupt myself, or letting her die alone. She developed severe depression after my Dad died and could not be left alone for stretches, all while I have my own 3 kids to take care of, and a nursing home would have cost $60,000 a year. She ended up having a massive stroke the night after going to confession and passing away a few days later, but I can not imagine what some people have to deal with when a loved one, especially a parent becomes unable to take care of themself.
[quote]mertdawg wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
Here is a good op-ed on the matter.
Now I agree that healthcare in this country is in the shitter, but why change it just change it? [/quote]
Article from the “Investor’s Business Daily.” It provides some very
interesting statistics from a survey by the United Nations World
Health Organization.
Percentage of men and women who survived a cancer five years after
diagnosis:
U.S. 65%
England 46%
Canada 42%
Percentage of patients diagnosed with diabetes who received treatment
within six months:
U.S. 93%
England 15%
Canada 43%
Percentage of seniors needing hip replacement who received it within six
months:
U.S. 90%
England 15%
Canada 43%
Percentage referred to a medical specialist who see one within one month:
U.S. 77%
England 40%
Canada 43%
Number of MRI scanners (a prime diagnostic tool) per million people:
U.S. 71
England 14
Canada 18
Percentage of seniors (65+), with low income, who say they are in
“excellent health”:
U.S. 12%
England 2%
Canada 6%
[/quote]
Looks to me like those evil, racist radio talk show hosts who were saying that the US has the best health care system in the world are right. But of course not everyone was covered and it is our responsibility to make sure that every living thing in the country is covered with insurance. And since insurance isn’t as important as food our housing it is also our responsibility to make sure that every human being in America is fed and lives in a nice house. Oh, and also drives a vehicle that people won’t laugh at.
Let’s see…what else can we do for people who did not earn it and don’t deserve it? There must be something, anyone?
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]mertdawg wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
Here is a good op-ed on the matter.
Now I agree that healthcare in this country is in the shitter, but why change it just change it? [/quote]
Article from the “Investor’s Business Daily.” It provides some very
interesting statistics from a survey by the United Nations World
Health Organization.
Percentage of men and women who survived a cancer five years after
diagnosis:
U.S. 65%
England 46%
Canada 42%
Percentage of patients diagnosed with diabetes who received treatment
within six months:
U.S. 93%
England 15%
Canada 43%
Percentage of seniors needing hip replacement who received it within six
months:
U.S. 90%
England 15%
Canada 43%
Percentage referred to a medical specialist who see one within one month:
U.S. 77%
England 40%
Canada 43%
Number of MRI scanners (a prime diagnostic tool) per million people:
U.S. 71
England 14
Canada 18
Percentage of seniors (65+), with low income, who say they are in
“excellent health”:
U.S. 12%
England 2%
Canada 6%
[/quote]
Looks to me like those evil, racist radio talk show hosts who were saying that the US has the best health care system in the world are right. But of course not everyone was covered and it is our responsibility to make sure that every living thing in the country is covered with insurance. And since insurance isn’t as important as food our housing it is also our responsibility to make sure that every human being in America is fed and lives in a nice house. Oh, and also drives a vehicle that people won’t laugh at.
Let’s see…what else can we do for people who did not earn it and don’t deserve it? There must be something, anyone?[/quote]
those stats just show, being having coverage and receiving care are 2 separate things.
I bet you in those countries with “free” health care none of the overlords go without receiving care while all the peasants suffer in their death beds.
[quote]mertdawg wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
So, just found out my 2011 premium is going up 24% to adjust to Obamacare (while benefits are going down). Which of you blood sucking liberals is going to send me a check to back up the guarantee I could keep my coverage the same?[/quote]
Yup, I found out the same thing a couple of months ago too. It was a very politically correct letter stating that to meet the demands of healthcare legislation, premiums are going up and coverage is going down…
That’s why I have to get my back fixed this year…Besides, I blew my deductible out of the water by January.
[/quote]
Rates have been going up for a long time. Ironically, puting more people on medicaid may lower insurance costs. Most malpractice lawsuits are actually from uninsured “customers” who show up at the hospital for urgent issues and then when they get a $40,000 bill that they can never hope to pay they get mad and sue. These lawsuits drive up the hospitals’ costs. When people come in with medicaid not only are they much less likely to sue, but the hospital actually gets a token payment-not enough to cover their costs but better than nothing. All of this translates into costs that the hospital must make up, which ultimately all become insurance premiums.
And I am not for Obamacare. I am not for requiring companies to provide health insurance and of course against having the government dictate prices and run healthcare, or worse have a single payer system, but I was very glad that my mom had medicare when she got sick. My parents were having to pay like $36,000 a year for insurance before they went on medicare and could have just gotten rejected. I could have been left with a dilemna of going bankrupt myself, or letting her die alone. She developed severe depression after my Dad died and could not be left alone for stretches, all while I have my own 3 kids to take care of, and a nursing home would have cost $60,000 a year. She ended up having a massive stroke the night after going to confession and passing away a few days later, but I can not imagine what some people have to deal with when a loved one, especially a parent becomes unable to take care of themself. [/quote]
Rates have gone up, but not a 24% jump with a simultaneous drop in coverage amounts. There is the rub…