Government needs a reboot.
Get rid of these hacks who have been sitting in their seat for years or decades. Lord knows, I would love to punt Barbara Boxer’s old krusty ass all the way to Mexico.
If politicians feel there are no consequences to their decisions, they will do whatever THEY feel, not what the people feel.
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Government needs a reboot.
Get rid of these hacks who have been sitting in their seat for years or decades. Lord knows, I would love to punt Barbara Boxer’s old krusty ass all the way to Mexico.
If politicians feel there are no consequences to their decisions, they will do whatever THEY feel, not what the people feel. [/quote]
What if people like Barbara Boxer is representing what her constituents want? She does keep getting elected.
[quote]D Public wrote:
We largely owe the debt to ourselves…
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No, this is a fallacy.
Specific people and institutions are in debt to other specific people and institutions.
Your debt is not my burden and vice versa.
The solution to debt is to live below ones means - not ripping off savers of their future earnings.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
The solution to debt is to live below ones means - not ripping off savers of their future earnings.[/quote]
This, and it sorta freaks me out to agree with you. 
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
The solution to debt is to live below ones means - not ripping off savers of their future earnings.[/quote]
This, and it sorta freaks me out to agree with you. ;)[/quote]
It happens once in a very great while…I agreed with Pittbull on another thread, had to go take a shower.
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
The solution to debt is to live below ones means - not ripping off savers of their future earnings.[/quote]
This, and it sorta freaks me out to agree with you. ;)[/quote]
It happens once in a very great while…I agreed with Pittbull on another thread, had to go take a shower.[/quote]
haha, he is a good dude at heart. We just see the world different.
In other news
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/closer-look-middle-class-decline-192705261.html
That should have some of you foaming at the mouth.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
The solution to debt is to live below ones means - not ripping off savers of their future earnings.[/quote]
This, and it sorta freaks me out to agree with you. ;)[/quote]
It happens once in a very great while…I agreed with Pittbull on another thread, had to go take a shower.[/quote]
haha, he is a good dude at heart. We just see the world different.
In other news
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/closer-look-middle-class-decline-192705261.html
That should have some of you foaming at the mouth.[/quote]
Could this be somewhat related to the housing bubble that started after the .com bubble burst?
It seems like folks were flipping houses every year and making a ton…that kind of growth (while enhancing the middle class) would seem to be unsustainable.
I don’t see the problem with a yearly cost of living increase for the middle class, at least that growth rate is not going to get you into trouble.
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
Could this be somewhat related to the housing bubble that started after the .com bubble burst?
It seems like folks were flipping houses every year and making a ton…that kind of growth (while enhancing the middle class) would seem to be unsustainable.
I don’t see the problem with a yearly cost of living increase for the middle class, at least that growth rate is not going to get you into trouble.
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Thsi could be caused by a million things. Lord knows, the liberals may be right and it was all Ronald’s fault, or the conservatives could be right and it was the regulation of free market.
Whatever it is, the larger problem today is people will bitch and moan about this, all while posting from their iPhones, complaining about Romney’s offshore money and foreign investment when Apple is one of the biggest “violators” at that same practice.
But yes. The growth in housing was too much to continue forever. But housing isn’t dead. I have clients that broker rentals that are making a killing right now. And people getting into subsidized senior housing, shit, the forsight in that is remarkable.
But they didn’t build that, so hats off to the government.
“There are no jobs in America”
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/tons-of-trucking-jobs-----that-nobody-wants.html
“Ewwww, I don’t want to do THAT to pay my bills”
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
“There are no jobs in America”
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/tons-of-trucking-jobs-----that-nobody-wants.html
“Ewwww, I don’t want to do THAT to pay my bills”
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Click the link in the article.
You know, the one about the 100000$ factory jobs that nobody wants.
Machinists are the coolest!
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/affluent-women-rich-dont-pay-191305259.html
This is why you don’t let them out of the kitchen.
(That is a joke for anyone about to lose their mind.)
I’m not buying that there is a trucker shortage…
They are attempting to push wages down on more senior drivers and snub out independent truckers. If 200k new drivers entered the industry, they would have lowered their cost of production massively. A trucking lobbyist group is the source for that article. They are using propaganda to further their ingenious agenda.
[quote]D Public wrote:
I’m not buying that there is a trucker shortage…
They are attempting to push wages down on more senior drivers and snub out independent truckers. If 200k new drivers entered the industry, they would have lowered their cost of production massively. A trucking lobbyist group is the source for that article. They are using propaganda to further their ingenious agenda.[/quote]
Yup, must be The Man holding them down…
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]doogie wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
You have links to these quotes?[/quote]
Jesus fucking Christ…
I was really hoping that shit was taken out of context.
I mean, I think I get what he is trying to say, but his perspective of the whole situation is retarded. Yes we all work together in a way, yes we are all intertwined in a giant thing called society, but good fucking lord.
Can anyone please, and I promise not to call you names, explain to me how you justify to yourself voting for this guy a second time?
I’m seriously curious, I just want to know what about him and his ideas make you feel like, after the last 4 years, he should still be running this country.[/quote]
There are several good reasons to vote for Obama that I can think of, and a ton of reasons to pick him over Romney.
He did something about healthcare. Period. The plan that came through wasn’t originally what he wanted, but at least he got something done. You can argue about the merits–or lack of–of the ACA all day, but the fact remains when faced with complete oposition and lack of ingenuity from the republican party he still got it done.
Under his direction and strategy he successfully killed Osama Bin Laden.
He initiated and succeeded in passing regulation of the financial markets.
He increased infastructure spending, something that was neglected under Bush. While other countries are finishing mag-lev trains, our roads have been crumbling.
Beginning troop withdrawl from Iraq.
Ending the “Don’t ask Don’t Tell” policy in the military.
Obama Ends ‘Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell’ Policy - The New York Times
I guess I feel there are a lot of reasons, actually; these are just a few of the things I can think of off hand. He may not be perfect, but I think he’s done the right thing on a lot of issues.
[quote]Schlenkatank wrote:
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This Op-Ed only mentions his 400 billion dollar “stimulous” in passing, lol.
Reputable source or not, it is ignoring a giant elephant in the room for sake of “being right”.
He had to bribe people from his own party to vote for it with 3.3 billion dollars for a train that won’t even be finished in Cali.
Ask Max about it.
I get what you are saying, but lets not act like this isn’t going to get added to his spending bill, and is some heroic bipartisain feet of merit.
I mean, we can argue about the Arizona immigration laws all day and how they resemble Hitler’s requirments as well, but at least they got something done right?
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Links?
Because last I checked he broke every campaign promise he made and appointed the croonies of the same people that brought us TARP.
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5. He increased infastructure spending, something that was neglected under Bush. While other countries are finishing mag-lev trains, our roads have been crumbling.[/quote]
I agree this is a good thing for government to spend money on.
Where did the money come from though?
I am not saying he is 100% bad, but…
Answer this:
The man said: “If the American people don’t think I’ve done a good job in 4 years, vote me out” or some such bullshit.
Why are all his ads attack adds and not “see I did XY&Z so good. Rememeber what I said? My governance stands on its merits”?
Thanks for the responce BTW, and please don’t view my responce to you as attacks, I actually want to talk about how you see things.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]Schlenkatank wrote:
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This Op-Ed only mentions his 400 billion dollar “stimulous” in passing, lol.
Reputable source or not, it is ignoring a giant elephant in the room for sake of “being right”.
He had to bribe people from his own party to vote for it with 3.3 billion dollars for a train that won’t even be finished in Cali.
Ask Max about it.
I get what you are saying, but lets not act like this isn’t going to get added to his spending bill, and is some heroic bipartisain feet of merit.
I mean, we can argue about the Arizona immigration laws all day and how they resemble Hitler’s requirments as well, but at least they got something done right?
[quote]
Links?
Because last I checked he broke every campaign promise he made and appointed the croonies of the same people that brought us TARP.
[quote]
5. He increased infastructure spending, something that was neglected under Bush. While other countries are finishing mag-lev trains, our roads have been crumbling.[/quote]
I agree this is a good thing for government to spend money on.
Where did the money come from though?
I am not saying he is 100% bad, but…
Answer this:
The man said: “If the American people don’t think I’ve done a good job in 4 years, vote me out” or some such bullshit.
Why are all his ads attack adds and not “see I did XY&Z so good. Rememeber what I said? My governance stands on its merits”?[/quote]
Thanks for your response. I actually tend to read you as a likeable person who is genuinely trying to expand their perspective.
In regards to 1.:
1/3 of the economic stimulus plan was a tax cut, and thus was not a federal expenditure. Your 400 billion figure is kind of offhand, but the fact still remains that president Obama has spent less than any president of the modern era. That is quite an accomplishment in my opinion, regardless of where that money has gone.
In regard to 2.:
The ACA may have been passed through objectionable means. I agree.
The latest facts are against your point that Obamacare will increase spending however. The latest estimate from the Congressional Budget Office have shown that if Republicans are successful in repealing the ACA then the deficit will INCREASE by 230 billion in the next decade. If the ACA is upheld, the deficit will shrink by 140 billion. So, what this actually means is that we don’t have to pretend that this won’t be added to the spending bill, because in reality it won’t.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20027568-503544.html
The link to the sweeping financial reform is here.
Finally, you ask a perfectly reasonable question at the end. Obama is arogant. The reality is he made promises at the beginning of his term that no one could hope to keep. They were irresponsible and stupid. When it comes to my vote however, I still have to weigh the pros/cons. For me it’s an easy choice.
[quote]Schlenkatank wrote:
There are several good reasons to vote for Obama that I can think of, and a ton of reasons to pick him over Romney.[/quote]
LOL…
Most of the people who will be voting for Obama are the following:
Those on the public dole as Obama has proven to be the food stamp President. There are now 45 million people getting food stamps! That figure has never been higher and it continues to grow.
Unions, especially those who benefitted from Obama’s so called stimulus package (that did nothing).
The limousine liberals and the ivory towerists who are clueless on how the real world works.
Those 18-24 year olds who have been brain washed by their teachers (unions again) and/or their college Professors. And they’ve also had a healthy dose of Hollywood to steer them in the wrong direction.
If anyone thinks that Obama has done a good job they are usually in one of those four groups.
After all anyone who thinks that 41 straight months of unemployment over 8% is good they better think again. This is a record not including the great depression.
Obama has single handedly increased the debt by over 5 Trillion dollars in less than four years. That is more than Bush increased it in 8 years in office!
National health care is a great debacle (the monstrous bill that no one read). In this one massive bill, which is a take over of 1/6th of the entire economy by the federal government, we have the most massive tax increase in the history of the country. Including fines and penalty’s for not getting insurance.
I’ve said many times that LBJ was the worst modern day President and I will stand by that. However, Obama has over taken Jimmy Carter as the second worst President! And given another four years he will most assuredly top LBJ as the worst President in our modern era.
If you are a hard working American who actually has a job and pays taxes there is absolutely no reason for you to vote for Barack Obama and a very long list of reasons why you shouldn’t.
(You’ve always been a clown Schlenkatank but your recent post puts you in a class by yourself–Keep em’ coming very funny stuff)
[quote]Schlenkatank wrote:
The link to the sweeping financial reform is here.
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How did I forget about this “change”?
But anyway: from the article:
Great. So… are we asking the current government employees to do more, or hiring new ones?
Got to be fucking kidding me. This isn’t change, this is Washington as usual.
Current TS - Tim Geithner, from Timmy Boy’s Wiki: "In May 2007, he worked to reduce the capital required to run a bank…In March 2008, he arranged the rescue and sale of Bear Stearns.[14][24] In the same year, he played a supporting role to Henry Paulson, Treasury Secretary and former CEO of Goldman Sachs, in the decision to bail out AIG just two days after deciding not to rescue Lehman Brothers from bankruptcy.
So, not only did Barry put someone directly involved in the massive fuckup that was Wall Street in charge, after promising to not do those things, but now Timmy has the power to determine what is a risky asset? Got to be kidding me…
Guess what else Czar Timmah can now do:
So, not only will our government not let those pigs go bankrupt like they deserved, they can now further fuck up free market by dismantling a company they arbitrarily consider troubled.
Look deregulation worked perfectly, liberals just look at it from the wrong angle. The government deregulated and the banks acted like total assholes. Well guess what, they banks got caught holding their balls. So, like happens when private business does this, the bank should have crumbled. Imagine, all those 1%'ers would have crashed down to the 10%'ers. But no, the government handed them our fucking money. Preventing the free market from working and teaching the banks to not act like assholes. They gave our money to their friends.
WTF does “powerful” mean here? He has the power to make the next TARP 200 Trillion?
Lol at people asking for the government to have more power when they have been stealing the people’s money and giving it to their friends for 30+ years now.
God damn it.