Excuse the constant grammar and spelling errors → been on a keto for 3 weeks…
[quote]anonym wrote:
[quote]Neuromancer wrote:
Are you serious?? Still can’t believe you posted that manure. Every bit as good? As what? You may need to reconsider what you consider ‘good’. You posted it to me, for my perusal, and still got all self congratulatory like you had lured me into some well crafted trap. Weak.[/quote]
What some people don’t seem to understand is that not everyone acts like a deer getting caught in high beams when confronted with a journal paper. Some of us read them on a daily basis and have been trained on what to look for when critically evaluating their claims and methods.
http://xa.yimg.com/kq/groups/19806419/959920590/name/Full+Article.pdf
^In fact, some of us would rather look up the journal article, itself, than rely on an AOL journalist to spoon-feed us our opinion on it.[/quote]
It’s mind boggling that that POS ‘paper’ can be touted as being relevant to anything other than wasting bandwidth. As for the ‘journalist’ that penned that piece, he should be bitch slapped like the incompetent that he is.
[quote]bigflamer wrote:
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]bigflamer wrote:
Giving someone else equal rights does not infringe or take away rights from you, it just makes it illegal to enforce your prejudice. Simple really.
http://www.bidstrup.com/marriage.htm
The Arguments Against Gay Marriage
Well, of course there are a lot of reasons being offered these days for opposing gay marriage, and they are usually variations on a few well-established themes. Interestingly, a court in Hawaii has recently heard them all. And it found, after due deliberation, that they didn’t hold water.
Here’s a summary:
…[/quote]A COURT IN HAWAII!!! WE’RE SAVED!!! Man am I ever glad this is over now. This topic was really startin to wear me out.
[/quote]
Read the link and try again, Tirib; try to not make a fool of yourself this time.
This is why I originally posted the argumentation from the article; the mods must’ve thought it was a but long however, and trimmed it to what you seen. You’re gonna have to put a wee bit O’ work into actually reading it, I’m afraid.
Do try…[/quote]This can’t be a serious statement Sparky. You can’t possibly believe this will have any sway with me whatsoever.
[quote]sufiandy wrote:
Summary: More people are coming around to the idea of gay marriage and it will eventually be accepted and made legal in most states. One day our children will look back and think how dumb we were for it being illegal in the first place, so discussions like this are a waste of time.[/quote]
Might makes right? Argumentum ad populum isn’t a very good argument.
[quote]sufiandy wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]sufiandy wrote:
Summary: More people are coming around to the idea of gay marriage and it will eventually be accepted and made legal in most states.[/quote]
Based on polls this is true. It appears inevitable. [/quote]
It is just a poll so who knows but trends say its gaining support. Obviously those against this will try to discredit that somehow but hopefully they are not too old and live long enough to be proved wrong.[/quote]
You’re not making reasoned arguments. You admit it, you’re just making argumentum ad populum.
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]sufiandy wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]sufiandy wrote:
Summary: More people are coming around to the idea of gay marriage and it will eventually be accepted and made legal in most states.[/quote]
Based on polls this is true. It appears inevitable. [/quote]
It is just a poll so who knows but trends say its gaining support. Obviously those against this will try to discredit that somehow but hopefully they are not too old and live long enough to be proved wrong.[/quote]
You’re not making reasoned arguments. You admit it, you’re just making argumentum ad populum.[/quote]
Not trying to make an argument here, I did that earlier in this thread. I yet to hear a good counter argument, as much as you might find my statements unreasonable I find yours equally unreasonable so who is right? Maybe there is no right or wrong answer, just peoples personal opinion. I was simply pointing out the pro gay marriage side is gaining popularity.
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]sufiandy wrote:
Summary: More people are coming around to the idea of gay marriage and it will eventually be accepted and made legal in most states. One day our children will look back and think how dumb we were for it being illegal in the first place, so discussions like this are a waste of time.[/quote]
Might makes right? Argumentum ad populum isn’t a very good argument.[/quote]
You would do well to remember that yourself.
[quote]bigflamer wrote:
Giving someone else equal rights does not infringe or take away rights from you, it just makes it illegal to enforce your prejudice. Simple really.[/quote]
Just like we enforce our prejudice against young people by not permitting them to vote until they are 18 and we don’t let people in their 20s participate in Medicare. Simply really. So prejudiced. Bigoted, frankly. And, like, super-prejudiced.
Because any law that hurts someone’s feelings has to be the product of prejudice.
Idiocy.
Hey Cortes,
It’s the weekend again. I scanned a few pages but didn’t see your Avatar. I replied somewhere in the (I’m assuming) pages of BS here. If you have time and are inclined, I’d enjoy continuing our conversation.
Thanks. (PS if I missed it, let me know and I’ll go find it).
[quote]Neuromancer wrote:
You really are on the wrong side of this one buddy!
I am? Please, point out to me where i have said anything about my views on same sex parents raising children that you ascribe to me above. I’ll wait.[/quote]
I’m sure you’ve taken the time to argue vehemently the lefty PC side because you are a conservative who does not believe in homosexual marriage. (eye roll) You’re pro gay marriage and gay adoption, care to deny that? Trying to play cutsie isn’t working. That happens a lot around here. You want to sound like the voice of reason so you tip toe around your position. Ho hum…
Stop being so typical. When someone around here doesn’t agree with the results of a study they attack the study. Wow…that’s something um…not so new. I can say the same thing about the many bullshit studies done by various groups with ageneda’s. Don’t like the study. We all know why so… save it!
The bottom line is something that YOU won’t admit because of your bias that is.
There is no conclusive proof that homosexuality is genetic because that information does not exist. Therefore, this rush to have homosexuals marry and have the right to raise children is a cruel trick to play on innocent children. At least until all the data is in. But you can’t admit that because your lefty PC self has been indoctrinated into a certain way to think. I wonder when the last time was that you actually had an independent thought?
If you don’t know the story about the AAP then google it. I don’t have the inclination to school you anymore. But no, I would not trust a study coming from them. When the PC police took over things changed.
You claimed that since two heterosexuals had a homosexual child that it did not take two homosexuals raising a child to cause that child to become homosexual. And that IS a logical fallacy as one can exist independently without the other.
In case you are not quite sure of what you are talking about as I suspect:
“A logical fallacy is a collapse in logic often used in debate to mislead or distract people from the real issue.”
You didn’t like being called out on your logical fallacy did you? This is the second time you’ve tried to escape it. But…you can’t you said it. Try to move on.
I agree because you said “wah boo hoo your study is no good and my studies prove everything…” Intelligent debate always seems to be lost when someone disagrees with the PC left. Just what are we conservatives thinking disagreeing with the enlightened ones?
I’ve seen your act many times around here buddy and I’m not impressed.
Got anything new?
[quote]therajraj wrote:
How parents in general effect the sexuality of their children gay or straight hasn’t been conclusively determined.[/quote]
We agree completely so why hand over innocent children to a homosexual couple until all the data is in?
Makes no sense, and thanks for agreeing with me yet again.
As for the bar being pushed higher by conservatives I disagree. What is actually happening is that the bar is being pushed lower by those on the left.
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]sufiandy wrote:
Summary: More people are coming around to the idea of gay marriage and it will eventually be accepted and made legal in most states. One day our children will look back and think how dumb we were for it being illegal in the first place, so discussions like this are a waste of time.[/quote]
Might makes right? Argumentum ad populum isn’t a very good argument.[/quote]
That is the left’s only argument they have nothing else, other than, “Um…I think that everyone should um…do what they want maaaaaaan.”
[quote]sufiandy wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]sufiandy wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]sufiandy wrote:
Summary: More people are coming around to the idea of gay marriage and it will eventually be accepted and made legal in most states.[/quote]
Based on polls this is true. It appears inevitable. [/quote]
It is just a poll so who knows but trends say its gaining support. Obviously those against this will try to discredit that somehow but hopefully they are not too old and live long enough to be proved wrong.[/quote]
You’re not making reasoned arguments. You admit it, you’re just making argumentum ad populum.[/quote]
Not trying to make an argument here, I did that earlier in this thread. I yet to hear a good counter argument…[/quote]
I guess you were not paying attention when TB took you to school on your “argument.”
LOL
[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
Hey Cortes,
It’s the weekend again. I scanned a few pages but didn’t see your Avatar. I replied somewhere in the (I’m assuming) pages of BS here. If you have time and are inclined, I’d enjoy continuing our conversation.
Thanks. (PS if I missed it, let me know and I’ll go find it). [/quote]
Hey GB,
I apologize.
I did read your reply and then I got some evil kind of virus that first causes projectile vomiting followed by days worth of projectile diarrhea. I have lost about 10lbs in the past 5 days and am just not up to anything presently. I will do what I can to get to it later, via PM or other means if need be, but am about to run to the toilet again as I type this.
Not fun.
I would have taken a much greater role in this and a couple of other threads here over the past few days if not for this.
The one silver lining is that my 3 year old son finds the explosive sounds coming from the bathroom highly amusing, and is quite adept at imitating them.
Gotta run. Literally!
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]sufiandy wrote:
Summary: More people are coming around to the idea of gay marriage and it will eventually be accepted and made legal in most states. One day our children will look back and think how dumb we were for it being illegal in the first place, so discussions like this are a waste of time.[/quote]
Might makes right? Argumentum ad populum isn’t a very good argument.[/quote]
That is the left’s only argument they have nothing else, other than, “Um…I think that everyone should um…do what they want maaaaaaan.”[/quote]
I have seen no valid arguments from your side so I’ll take those 2 lame arguments vs your nothing.
[quote]sufiandy wrote:
ZEB wrote:
Brother Chris wrote:sufiandy wrote:
Summary: More people are coming around to the idea of gay marriage and it will eventually be accepted and made legal in most states. One day our children will look back and think how dumb we were for it being illegal in the first place, so discussions like this are a waste of time.
Might makes right? Argumentum ad populum isn’t a very good argument.
That is the left’s only argument they have nothing else, other than, “Um…I think that everyone should um…do what they want maaaaaaan.”
I have seen no valid arguments from your side so I’ll take those 2 lame arguments vs your nothing.[/quote]
I’ve been reading this thread since the beginning which means that I was there when you had your argument sliced and diced by those on my side. There were many poor performances by you. But way back on page 16 I rather enjoyed this little exchange between you and Thunderbolt:
[quote]sufiandy wrote:
Well what do you know about this that is for sure?
You mean, how can I be sure that children are going be better raised by the two parents that brought them into the world through the most natural union of the universe and share the common connection of being equally responsible for the creation of the person - creation, not a typo - and who when they bring a child into the home for the first time and say in a misty-eyed, voice-shaken “we made that” (as all parents do) when the recognition hits them that they have just created a human being they would lay down their lives for), they realize that that emotion and sentiment and sense of duty cannot be duplicated for any other personal relationship they will ever encounter in their lives (including between one another)?
How can I be sure that the the two best people to take care of the child are the people to whom the children literally owe their existence?
How can I be sure, given that nearly every adopted child maintains a desperate desire to connect with their birth parents because they feel something is missing in their lives until they do?
How can I be sure, given that thousands of years of human history demonstrate there is no substitute for the connection between parent and child, no matter how many times we try to interfere with it?
How can I be sure, given that recent studies have explained that even by modern “metrics”, the scientific community agrees that children are best served by living with their biological parents in a low-conflict marriage?
How can I be sure, given that common sense can’t dictate a different conclusion?
I’m sure.[/quote]
Now granted this is only one exchange, but there were many others where you were handed your head. I don’t think I should be responsible for posting all of them do you?
Just admit that your feeble arguments were beaten down by sound logic. Isn’t it better to be intellectually honest than to play the message board fraud?
Hey…I’m sure you’re good at other things. Like religious bigotry for example, you’re awfully good at that.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]sufiandy wrote:
ZEB wrote:
Brother Chris wrote:sufiandy wrote:
Summary: More people are coming around to the idea of gay marriage and it will eventually be accepted and made legal in most states. One day our children will look back and think how dumb we were for it being illegal in the first place, so discussions like this are a waste of time.
Might makes right? Argumentum ad populum isn’t a very good argument.
That is the left’s only argument they have nothing else, other than, “Um…I think that everyone should um…do what they want maaaaaaan.”
I have seen no valid arguments from your side so I’ll take those 2 lame arguments vs your nothing.[/quote]
I’ve been reading this thread since the beginning which means that I was there when you had your argument sliced and diced by those on my side. There were many poor performances by you. But way back on page 16 I rather enjoyed this little exchange between you and Thunderbolt:
[quote]sufiandy wrote:
Well what do you know about this that is for sure?
You mean, how can I be sure that children are going be better raised by the two parents that brought them into the world through the most natural union of the universe and share the common connection of being equally responsible for the creation of the person - creation, not a typo - and who when they bring a child into the home for the first time and say in a misty-eyed, voice-shaken “we made that” (as all parents do) when the recognition hits them that they have just created a human being they would lay down their lives for), they realize that that emotion and sentiment and sense of duty cannot be duplicated for any other personal relationship they will ever encounter in their lives (including between one another)?
How can I be sure that the the two best people to take care of the child are the people to whom the children literally owe their existence?
How can I be sure, given that nearly every adopted child maintains a desperate desire to connect with their birth parents because they feel something is missing in their lives until they do?
How can I be sure, given that thousands of years of human history demonstrate there is no substitute for the connection between parent and child, no matter how many times we try to interfere with it?
How can I be sure, given that recent studies have explained that even by modern “metrics”, the scientific community agrees that children are best served by living with their biological parents in a low-conflict marriage?
How can I be sure, given that common sense can’t dictate a different conclusion?
I’m sure.[/quote]
Now granted this is only one exchange, but there were many others where you were handed your head. I don’t think I should be responsible for posting all of them do you?
Just admit that your feeble arguments were beaten down by sound logic. Isn’t it better to be intellectually honest than to play the message board fraud?
Hey…I’m sure you’re good at other things. Like religious bigotry for example, you’re awfully good at that.
[/quote]
Yes he got me sidetracked to something that might have been related but still irrelevant to the core of the issue, one of the many tricks you guys try to pull hoping we don’t notice.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]Neuromancer wrote:
You really are on the wrong side of this one buddy!
I am? Please, point out to me where i have said anything about my views on same sex parents raising children that you ascribe to me above. I’ll wait.[/quote]
I’m sure you’ve taken the time to argue vehemently the lefty PC side because you are a conservative who does not believe in homosexual marriage. (eye roll) You’re pro gay marriage and gay adoption, care to deny that? Trying to play cutsie isn’t working. That happens a lot around here. You want to sound like the voice of reason so you tip toe around your position. Ho hum…
Stop being so typical. When someone around here doesn’t agree with the results of a study they attack the study. Wow…that’s something um…not so new. I can say the same thing about the many bullshit studies done by various groups with ageneda’s. Don’t like the study. We all know why so… save it!
The bottom line is something that YOU won’t admit because of your bias that is.
There is no conclusive proof that homosexuality is genetic because that information does not exist. Therefore, this rush to have homosexuals marry and have the right to raise children is a cruel trick to play on innocent children. At least until all the data is in. But you can’t admit that because your lefty PC self has been indoctrinated into a certain way to think. I wonder when the last time was that you actually had an independent thought?
If you don’t know the story about the AAP then google it. I don’t have the inclination to school you anymore. But no, I would not trust a study coming from them. When the PC police took over things changed.
You claimed that since two heterosexuals had a homosexual child that it did not take two homosexuals raising a child to cause that child to become homosexual. And that IS a logical fallacy as one can exist independently without the other.
In case you are not quite sure of what you are talking about as I suspect:
“A logical fallacy is a collapse in logic often used in debate to mislead or distract people from the real issue.”
You didn’t like being called out on your logical fallacy did you? This is the second time you’ve tried to escape it. But…you can’t you said it. Try to move on.
I agree because you said “wah boo hoo your study is no good and my studies prove everything…” Intelligent debate always seems to be lost when someone disagrees with the PC left. Just what are we conservatives thinking disagreeing with the enlightened ones?
I’ve seen your act many times around here buddy and I’m not impressed.
Got anything new?[/quote]
Personally , I couldn’t give a toss whether gay couples marry or adopt. See? that’s my position. As for logical fallacy, the only thing stated was that 100% of gay children are born of hetero biology. Once again ,show me the fallacy. I’ll wait. Logic isn’t your strong suit, and no amount of link posting will change that.
Like I waited for your confirmation of what you alleged I had said before.
Like I wait for your support of the BS study you posted.You cant analyze methodology with even a passing degree of know how, and that’s my problem how, exactly? you got pulled up. Get over it. Like you got pulled up on your 20% marriage stat pulled out of your hat in the other thread. Silence there as well.
I suspect I’ll hear crickets on the study YOU posted other than your personal attacks. that may ring a bell as far as the logical fallacies go for you, but I’m not sure. You’re not the only one with a case of Deja Moo. Predictable? You surely are. Did I hurt your feelings? Unlucky.
But all there is your bluster…ho hum. I’m not surprised. Schooling me…you make me chortle.
I’ll leave it at that and those reading can make up their own minds.
[quote]sufiandy wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]sufiandy wrote:
ZEB wrote:
Brother Chris wrote:sufiandy wrote:
Summary: More people are coming around to the idea of gay marriage and it will eventually be accepted and made legal in most states. One day our children will look back and think how dumb we were for it being illegal in the first place, so discussions like this are a waste of time.
Might makes right? Argumentum ad populum isn’t a very good argument.
That is the left’s only argument they have nothing else, other than, “Um…I think that everyone should um…do what they want maaaaaaan.”
I have seen no valid arguments from your side so I’ll take those 2 lame arguments vs your nothing.[/quote]
I’ve been reading this thread since the beginning which means that I was there when you had your argument sliced and diced by those on my side. There were many poor performances by you. But way back on page 16 I rather enjoyed this little exchange between you and Thunderbolt:
[quote]sufiandy wrote:
Well what do you know about this that is for sure?
You mean, how can I be sure that children are going be better raised by the two parents that brought them into the world through the most natural union of the universe and share the common connection of being equally responsible for the creation of the person - creation, not a typo - and who when they bring a child into the home for the first time and say in a misty-eyed, voice-shaken “we made that” (as all parents do) when the recognition hits them that they have just created a human being they would lay down their lives for), they realize that that emotion and sentiment and sense of duty cannot be duplicated for any other personal relationship they will ever encounter in their lives (including between one another)?
How can I be sure that the the two best people to take care of the child are the people to whom the children literally owe their existence?
How can I be sure, given that nearly every adopted child maintains a desperate desire to connect with their birth parents because they feel something is missing in their lives until they do?
How can I be sure, given that thousands of years of human history demonstrate there is no substitute for the connection between parent and child, no matter how many times we try to interfere with it?
How can I be sure, given that recent studies have explained that even by modern “metrics”, the scientific community agrees that children are best served by living with their biological parents in a low-conflict marriage?
How can I be sure, given that common sense can’t dictate a different conclusion?
I’m sure.[/quote]
Now granted this is only one exchange, but there were many others where you were handed your head. I don’t think I should be responsible for posting all of them do you?
Just admit that your feeble arguments were beaten down by sound logic. Isn’t it better to be intellectually honest than to play the message board fraud?
Hey…I’m sure you’re good at other things. Like religious bigotry for example, you’re awfully good at that.
[/quote]
Yes he got me sidetracked to something that might have been related but still irrelevant to the core of the issue, one of the many tricks you guys try to pull hoping we don’t notice.[/quote]
Still in denial huh? How many more exchanges would you like me to post? You never even had one good point!
[quote]sufiandy wrote:
I have seen no valid arguments from your side so I’ll take those 2 lame arguments vs your nothing.[/quote]
C’mon, dude. Enough. This is why these gay marriage threads get so dull. Gay marriage proponents like yourself simply pretend no one makes legitimate arguments against gay marriage, despite page after page of unanswered arguments.
You don’t have to like them or agree with them, but you can’t pretend they don’t exist.
All you’ve done is beclown yourself (again) by declaring “I’ve seen no valid arguments from your side.”