How about this. Im right and you’re all wrong. How about that 
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[quote]strangemeadow wrote:
Conversely, people could mind their own business and not tell others what to do.
Oh, right. I forgot.[/quote]
If Bob wants to put a ring on Steve’s finger and tell everyone they’re married, I’m not sending in a SWAT team. If Bob want’s to open up and access a public (state recognized/privileged) institution that is supposed to serve an IMMENSELY critical function, we’re going to have a little conversation.
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So in your mind what would happen to society if the government stopped recognizing marriage altogether and people just had private ceremonies where they declared they were married?
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The more orthodox would continue to marry and reproduce. The rest of society would become even more barren and old. The economy would collapse. The entitlements depending on the economy would collapse. Starvation, lack of medical care, housing, food and ignorance. chaos. Religion reasserts order and shared values after rapidly outbreeding the atheist and secular. But only after a long and nasty slide. But, since heterosexual orderly pairing of the reproductive sexes is HUGELY critical, we recognize it. Now we need to reinforce it’s status.[/quote]
Translation: My religious views are superior to yours therefore they should become part of the law so you will be forced to follow them too.[/quote]
But where exactly were all the atheists when this country was first formed?
WHERE!
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Hello non-sequitar
[quote]sufiandy wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]strangemeadow wrote:
Conversely, people could mind their own business and not tell others what to do.
Oh, right. I forgot.[/quote]
If Bob wants to put a ring on Steve’s finger and tell everyone they’re married, I’m not sending in a SWAT team. If Bob want’s to open up and access a public (state recognized/privileged) institution that is supposed to serve an IMMENSELY critical function, we’re going to have a little conversation.
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So in your mind what would happen to society if the government stopped recognizing marriage altogether and people just had private ceremonies where they declared they were married?
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The more orthodox would continue to marry and reproduce. The rest of society would become even more barren and old. The economy would collapse. The entitlements depending on the economy would collapse. Starvation, lack of medical care, housing, food and ignorance. chaos. Religion reasserts order and shared values after rapidly outbreeding the atheist and secular. But only after a long and nasty slide. But, since heterosexual orderly pairing of the reproductive sexes is HUGELY critical, we recognize it. Now we need to reinforce it’s status.[/quote]
Translation: My religious views are superior to yours therefore they should become part of the law so you will be forced to follow them too.[/quote]
How about taking the night off? Let someone else take a crack. With a bit of rest you just might be ready.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]sufiandy wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]strangemeadow wrote:
Conversely, people could mind their own business and not tell others what to do.
Oh, right. I forgot.[/quote]
If Bob wants to put a ring on Steve’s finger and tell everyone they’re married, I’m not sending in a SWAT team. If Bob want’s to open up and access a public (state recognized/privileged) institution that is supposed to serve an IMMENSELY critical function, we’re going to have a little conversation.
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So in your mind what would happen to society if the government stopped recognizing marriage altogether and people just had private ceremonies where they declared they were married?
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The more orthodox would continue to marry and reproduce. The rest of society would become even more barren and old. The economy would collapse. The entitlements depending on the economy would collapse. Starvation, lack of medical care, housing, food and ignorance. chaos. Religion reasserts order and shared values after rapidly outbreeding the atheist and secular. But only after a long and nasty slide. But, since heterosexual orderly pairing of the reproductive sexes is HUGELY critical, we recognize it. Now we need to reinforce it’s status.[/quote]
Translation: My religious views are superior to yours therefore they should become part of the law so you will be forced to follow them too.[/quote]
LOL…this is not a religious arguement. But where exactly were all the atheists when this country was first formed?
WHERE!
(I was wondering when you would get around to attacking religion since you are a religious bigot)[/quote]
Also question: What is your religion including sect?
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[quote]strangemeadow wrote:
Conversely, people could mind their own business and not tell others what to do.
Oh, right. I forgot.[/quote]
If you mean homosexuals could mind their own business and not try to change a 5000 year old societal institution you’ve made a great point.[/quote]
Ohh come on ZEB you really did not just say that…
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Said it and proud of it. As you can see it was in response to some inane comment about “everyone minding their own business.”
As if changing a 5000 year old institution isn’t everyone’s business. LOL…no I really get a kick out of some of you lefty’s.[/quote]
Listen, I’m no lefty or liberal. I’m a reasonably tight ass republican, BUT! I have a problem with anybody telling me what to do. Ever. In any context. Even if it’s good for me. Don’t tell me what to do. I have authority issues, true. But for religion, sexual stuff, all that stuff, I just can’t tell anybody else what to do. I know what’s wrong and right for me, but I can’t put that on other people.
Seriously, Christianity is a pretty young religion. Jesus was a cool cat who said and did most excellent things. The bible is hearsay and all about control, as well as serving up a bunch of examples of what to do and how to live a clean life. I mean, if you take things literally, like, I dunno, the tale of Sodom and Gomorrah, well, that just didn’t happen. Nor did Cain kill Abel. You have to read the bible like a Bible scholar to truly understand what they meant. But I digress…
It does say something like " a man shall not lie with a man as he lies with a woman" So that is pretty clear. No Hershey Highway. And when they said man it was understood to be Mankind, so you’re not off the hook, lesbians. But who says that Christians are the end all be all authority? Jesus didn’t say anything about homosexuality, if I’m not mistaken. If Christianity is supposed to be about him, then…well you see.
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[quote]ephrem wrote:
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I don’t get it. Solomon didn’t have any husbands so what’s the connection?[/quote]
Similar to this, I think. In that using the bible as the basis of one’s opposition seems silly to many people.
SM’s mentioned the Bible because it was brought up by someone on YOUR side.
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Not referring to anyone in particular, just expressing a popular sentiment. I don’t want to be grouped with anyone, either.
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Too late you’re pro gay marriage so you are grouped with that bunch.
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Insufferable as ever.[/quote]
Thank you I do try 
[quote]I’m not pro gay marriage. I’m pro equal rights for same sex couples. I don’t care what they call it. I’m not religious so marriage has no inherent grand meaning to me. Thus, I don’t even get why there is such focus for them on calling it such.
Most people that I’ve met who are vehemently against it on the grounds of religion aren’t really that religious either. The whole thing to me isn’t that big of a deal. Give them equal rights, call it a day.
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I’ve noticed that nothing is really a big deal when it comes to homosexualit (or much else) with those who are young adults. They’ve been indoctrinated by the liberal media, and liberal Universities to think just as you’ve stated, “no big deal.” But to those of us who have respect for marriage we think it is a big deal. And we also think that two men having sex is nothing even remotely similar to marriage.
As for equal rights for same sex couples, who is to say that any two guys living together cannot get these rights? Simply make a false claim and collect your special rights.
Finally, as has been brought up before, where does it all end? Homosexual unions today, polygamous unions tomorrow and incestual unions the day after…and on and on.
Expand the definition of marriage one time and it will most assuredly happen again. Don’t get me wrong homosexual marriage (or ssu) is bad enough.
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Why is same sex union bad? Why should this progress beyond the argument of whether or not they can get “married”? That really seems to interfering with personal liberties. In the larger context, I don’t get why this is “the” issue.
[quote]sufiandy wrote:
Translation: My religious views are superior to yours therefore they should become part of the law so you will be forced to follow them too.[/quote]
That can’t be a “translation”, smart guy, because Sloth didn’t explain anything any theological terms - he described an expected cause-and-effect.
[quote]strangemeadow wrote:
Listen, I’m no lefty or liberal. I’m a reasonably tight ass republican, BUT! I have a problem with anybody telling me what to do. Ever. In any context. Even if it’s good for me. Don’t tell me what to do. [/quote]
I haven’t seen anyone telling gays they can’t get married. They can do whatever they want - it’s just that there is no public policy recognzing that marriage, and no right to one either.
Public marriage is a public benefit, a positive right - your complaint makes about as much as sense as claiming “people are telling you what to do!” by saying you can’t enjoy the benefits of Medicare because you’re too young.
No one is bossing you around by saying you don’t get your marriage recognized as part of a public good. That makes no sense.
[quote]strangemeadow wrote:
I couldn’t muscle through all 20 pages[/quote]
Why not?
If you would have looked even a few pages back you’d see that gays have equal rights, and marriage is not a right.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]sufiandy wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]strangemeadow wrote:
Conversely, people could mind their own business and not tell others what to do.
Oh, right. I forgot.[/quote]
If Bob wants to put a ring on Steve’s finger and tell everyone they’re married, I’m not sending in a SWAT team. If Bob want’s to open up and access a public (state recognized/privileged) institution that is supposed to serve an IMMENSELY critical function, we’re going to have a little conversation.
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So in your mind what would happen to society if the government stopped recognizing marriage altogether and people just had private ceremonies where they declared they were married?
[/quote]
The more orthodox would continue to marry and reproduce. The rest of society would become even more barren and old. The economy would collapse. The entitlements depending on the economy would collapse. Starvation, lack of medical care, housing, food and ignorance. chaos. Religion reasserts order and shared values after rapidly outbreeding the atheist and secular. But only after a long and nasty slide. But, since heterosexual orderly pairing of the reproductive sexes is HUGELY critical, we recognize it. Now we need to reinforce it’s status.[/quote]
Translation: My religious views are superior to yours therefore they should become part of the law so you will be forced to follow them too.[/quote]
LOL…this is not a religious arguement. But where exactly were all the atheists when this country was first formed?
WHERE!
(I was wondering when you would get around to attacking religion since you are a religious bigot)[/quote]
Exactly, lets bring slavery back as well!
[quote]sufiandy wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
As for equal rights for same sex couples, who is to say that any two guys living together cannot get these rights? Simply make a false claim and collect your special rights.
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Who is to say a male and female living together cannot get these rights? I love the ignorance of the argument that a gay couple is no different than 2 friends living together.[/quote]
Well, no one has put forth any argument why they are different. However, Sloth and TB have both given arguments to why they are not different.
[quote]forbes wrote:How about this. Im right and you’re all wrong. How about that ;)[/quote]What took you so long?
[quote]ephrem wrote:
How the Christian Right’s Homophobia Scares Away Religious Young People
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Reductionist crap.
Can someone, present me with one, just one single GOOD reason for why Gay’s should not be allowed to marry.
Now, this reason must do the following things:
Consist of a valid argument.
Have supporting evidence to back any claims made. (Because it will ruin the country!..yea that doesnt count unless you tell me every way and how it will be ruined.)
Not have any religious bias…wait a second, that discounts 90% of you…hmm
I am going to assume I will be waiting here a while…
It is absolutely discraceful, the mental midgets on this forum.
[quote]TDub301 wrote:
Does separation of church and state play a part in this at all?[/quote]
How come all the liberals in this thread are bringing up religion and church? Sound like religious zealots. Keep your religion out of my government!
[quote]colt44 wrote:
Can someone, present me with one, just one single GOOD reason for why Gay’s should not be allowed to marry.
Now, this reason must do the following things:
Consist of a valid argument.
Have supporting evidence to back any claims made. (Because it will ruin the country!..yea that doesnt count unless you tell me every way and how it will be ruined.)
Not have any religious bias…wait a second, that discounts 90% of you…hmm
I am going to assume I will be waiting here a while…
It is absolutely discraceful, the mental midgets on this forum.
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I understand it’s a lot more fun to just jump on the thread and blurt out whatever your college Professors, or the liberal media has programmed you to say for the past many years. But as it stands I’m going to have to give you an “F” for not reading the thread. Now go back like a good little boy and read some of the earlier arguments. You will soon see that there is no good reason to allow same sex marriage. That is if you’re open minded and not a mental midget yourself.
Now run along and do the assignment.
Cheers–And happy reading.
[quote]colt44 wrote:
Can someone, present me with one, just one single GOOD reason for why Gay’s should not be allowed to marry.
Now, this reason must do the following things:
Consist of a valid argument.
Have supporting evidence to back any claims made. (Because it will ruin the country!..yea that doesnt count unless you tell me every way and how it will be ruined.)
Not have any religious bias…wait a second, that discounts 90% of you…hmm
I am going to assume I will be waiting here a while…
It is absolutely discraceful, the mental midgets on this forum. [/quote]
Sorry, Colt44 - this thread has hit its maximum number of half-educated pro-gay marriage types who lack basic cognition and reasoning skills. Maybe there is a slot in a different thread for you to spread stupid incoherence - we are full up.
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[quote]colt44 wrote:
Can someone, present me with one, just one single GOOD reason for why Gay’s should not be allowed to marry.
Now, this reason must do the following things:
Consist of a valid argument.
Have supporting evidence to back any claims made. (Because it will ruin the country!..yea that doesnt count unless you tell me every way and how it will be ruined.)
Not have any religious bias…wait a second, that discounts 90% of you…hmm
I am going to assume I will be waiting here a while…
It is absolutely discraceful, the mental midgets on this forum. [/quote]
Sorry, Colt44 - this thread has hit its maximum number of half-educated pro-gay marriage types who lack basic cognition and reasoning skills. Maybe there is a slot in a different thread for you to spread stupid incoherence - we are full up.[/quote]
Exactly as I thought. No one can give me a good reason. How interesting…
[quote]colt44 wrote:
Exactly, lets bring slavery back…[/quote]
Didn’t know you were in favor of slavery. What kind of slavery are you in favor for?
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]colt44 wrote:
Can someone, present me with one, just one single GOOD reason for why Gay’s should not be allowed to marry.
Now, this reason must do the following things:
Consist of a valid argument.
Have supporting evidence to back any claims made. (Because it will ruin the country!..yea that doesnt count unless you tell me every way and how it will be ruined.)
Not have any religious bias…wait a second, that discounts 90% of you…hmm
I am going to assume I will be waiting here a while…
It is absolutely discraceful, the mental midgets on this forum.
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I understand it’s a lot more fun to just jump on the thread and blurt out whatever your college Professors, or the liberal media has programmed you to say for the past many years. But as it stands I’m going to have to give you an “F” for not reading the thread. Now go back like a good little boy and read some of the earlier arguments. You will soon see that there is no good reason to allow same sex marriage. That is if you’re open minded and not a mental midget yourself.
Now run along and do the assignment.
Cheers–And happy reading.
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Please, do me a favor and summarize for me? DO you not have any?
Was my list too difficult?