Obama Sues Pro-Life Counselor

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]PatMac wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]PatMac wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

I put Obama…as to attract people, the title is Obama’s Administration, not Obama in the original.

And he went through due process and the charges were dropped.[/quote]

You wanted to attract as many people as possible to read your screed with its intellectually dishonest title? Why? If he’s as bad as some imply, you could just use the facts to draw us into the thread.[/quote]

When I put the original title it just said “Obama Administration Sues Pro-life…” which I thought was worse. And how is this my screed? And, I am not sure how it is a screed, my post is pretty short.[/quote]

Not following you here, it seems that you are being inconsistent and a little dishonest. You said “I put Obama…as to attract people, the title is Obama’s Administration, not Obama in the original” and now you are saying “When I put the original title it just said “Obama Administration Sues Pro-life…” which I thought was worse”.
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Didn’t know I could only have one reason for a decision, but next time I will divulge all reasoning all at once, for everything I do, and then you’ll see a screed.

I suppose it could be misleading, but did Obama not appoint the Attorney General? Does Obama’s name not appear on the case? Is he not the Executive of the United States Government? He is responsible for those underneath him. I am responsible for my employees, why is Obama not responsible for those who he directly appoints.

No, I am very pro-choice. I whole heartedly believe that an innocent child should have the choice and opportunity to live, instead of having his choice to live forcefully taken away from him by those who are responsible for him. I whole heartedly believe that a woman has the choice of acting like a responsible adult and make the decision to have sex or not. And if she does have sex and God blesses her with a gift of a child I expect her as a responsible adult to act like one and to not shun her responsibilities and consequences of her choices and preserve the life of her child as the best she can.

God bless and Godspeed, Hail Mary![/quote]

And what if a woman is raped by some scumbag lowlife and god “blesses” her with the “gift” of a child. I guess she obviously needs to be a responsible adult and protect that pregnancy.[/quote]

If a woman or anyone is raped, it is a horrible situation which something was forced on an innocent person and something was taken away from them against their will and the person who did this cruel and destructive damage should be dealt justice.

However, the innocence and dignity of the unborn child does not disappear just because the method of which the child was brought about is different or has changed from the first situation. The woman in this case has some options, if she really feels she is not able to care for the baby, she can give her child up for adoption to someone who wishes to adopt a child.[/quote]

What about the scaredness of the marital act. Surely during a rape this is is obviously violated. Why does that not change things?

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]PatMac wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]PatMac wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

I put Obama…as to attract people, the title is Obama’s Administration, not Obama in the original.

And he went through due process and the charges were dropped.[/quote]

You wanted to attract as many people as possible to read your screed with its intellectually dishonest title? Why? If he’s as bad as some imply, you could just use the facts to draw us into the thread.[/quote]

When I put the original title it just said “Obama Administration Sues Pro-life…” which I thought was worse. And how is this my screed? And, I am not sure how it is a screed, my post is pretty short.[/quote]

Not following you here, it seems that you are being inconsistent and a little dishonest. You said “I put Obama…as to attract people, the title is Obama’s Administration, not Obama in the original” and now you are saying “When I put the original title it just said “Obama Administration Sues Pro-life…” which I thought was worse”.
[/quote]

Didn’t know I could only have one reason for a decision, but next time I will divulge all reasoning all at once, for everything I do, and then you’ll see a screed.

I suppose it could be misleading, but did Obama not appoint the Attorney General? Does Obama’s name not appear on the case? Is he not the Executive of the United States Government? He is responsible for those underneath him. I am responsible for my employees, why is Obama not responsible for those who he directly appoints.

No, I am very pro-choice. I whole heartedly believe that an innocent child should have the choice and opportunity to live, instead of having his choice to live forcefully taken away from him by those who are responsible for him. I whole heartedly believe that a woman has the choice of acting like a responsible adult and make the decision to have sex or not. And if she does have sex and God blesses her with a gift of a child I expect her as a responsible adult to act like one and to not shun her responsibilities and consequences of her choices and preserve the life of her child as the best she can.

God bless and Godspeed, Hail Mary![/quote]

And what if a woman is raped by some scumbag lowlife and god “blesses” her with the “gift” of a child. I guess she obviously needs to be a responsible adult and protect that pregnancy.[/quote]

If a woman or anyone is raped, it is a horrible situation which something was forced on an innocent person and something was taken away from them against their will and the person who did this cruel and destructive damage should be dealt justice.

However, the innocence and dignity of the unborn child does not disappear just because the method of which the child was brought about is different or has changed from the first situation. The woman in this case has some options, if she really feels she is not able to care for the baby, she can give her child up for adoption to someone who wishes to adopt a child.[/quote]

I cannot believe that even in the case of a brutal rape that you would still deny the woman the right to choose if she had to carry the child of a degenerate scumbag. If you cannot see the evil in that, there is no hope for you.

Has god ever spoken to you directly? If he has, who did you call first, your minister or a psychiatrist.

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[quote]swoleupinya wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

If a woman or anyone is raped, it is a horrible situation which something was forced on an innocent person and something was taken away from them against their will and the person who did this cruel and destructive damage should be dealt justice.

However, the innocence and dignity of the unborn child does not disappear just because the method of which the child was brought about is different or has changed from the first situation. The woman in this case has some options, if she really feels she is not able to care for the baby, she can give her child up for adoption to someone who wishes to adopt a child.[/quote]

This is an admirable sentiment, Chris. But, it is not one shared by victims of rape… The depth of negative feelings associated with rape - shame, guilt, helplessness, anger - Would make something like carrying a child to full term effectively impossible.

Perhaps if our society had a better safety net of services such as mental health care, child care, etc… for those who need it, we could attempt to do a better job with these types of situations. [/quote]

So you speak for all rape victims…interesting. I’m sure there is are a few rape victims that have come to term.

Yes, the interesting thing is that sometimes the state doesn’t allow those services to be offered. Several clinics have been shut down because they lack “adequate” services which usually means with these clinics that they don’t offer artificial birth control or abortive services.

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[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]PatMac wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]PatMac wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

I put Obama…as to attract people, the title is Obama’s Administration, not Obama in the original.

And he went through due process and the charges were dropped.[/quote]

You wanted to attract as many people as possible to read your screed with its intellectually dishonest title? Why? If he’s as bad as some imply, you could just use the facts to draw us into the thread.[/quote]

When I put the original title it just said “Obama Administration Sues Pro-life…” which I thought was worse. And how is this my screed? And, I am not sure how it is a screed, my post is pretty short.[/quote]

Not following you here, it seems that you are being inconsistent and a little dishonest. You said “I put Obama…as to attract people, the title is Obama’s Administration, not Obama in the original” and now you are saying “When I put the original title it just said “Obama Administration Sues Pro-life…” which I thought was worse”.
[/quote]

Didn’t know I could only have one reason for a decision, but next time I will divulge all reasoning all at once, for everything I do, and then you’ll see a screed.

I suppose it could be misleading, but did Obama not appoint the Attorney General? Does Obama’s name not appear on the case? Is he not the Executive of the United States Government? He is responsible for those underneath him. I am responsible for my employees, why is Obama not responsible for those who he directly appoints.

No, I am very pro-choice. I whole heartedly believe that an innocent child should have the choice and opportunity to live, instead of having his choice to live forcefully taken away from him by those who are responsible for him. I whole heartedly believe that a woman has the choice of acting like a responsible adult and make the decision to have sex or not. And if she does have sex and God blesses her with a gift of a child I expect her as a responsible adult to act like one and to not shun her responsibilities and consequences of her choices and preserve the life of her child as the best she can.

God bless and Godspeed, Hail Mary![/quote]

And what if a woman is raped by some scumbag lowlife and god “blesses” her with the “gift” of a child. I guess she obviously needs to be a responsible adult and protect that pregnancy.[/quote]

If a woman or anyone is raped, it is a horrible situation which something was forced on an innocent person and something was taken away from them against their will and the person who did this cruel and destructive damage should be dealt justice.

However, the innocence and dignity of the unborn child does not disappear just because the method of which the child was brought about is different or has changed from the first situation. The woman in this case has some options, if she really feels she is not able to care for the baby, she can give her child up for adoption to someone who wishes to adopt a child.[/quote]

What about the scaredness of the marital act. Surely during a rape this is is obviously violated. Why does that not change things?[/quote]

The child’s innocence and dignity does not stem from which way it was conceived.

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[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
If a woman or anyone is raped, it is a horrible situation which something was forced on an innocent person and something was taken away from them against their will and the person who did this cruel and destructive damage should be dealt justice.

However, the innocence and dignity of the unborn child does not disappear just because the method of which the child was brought about is different or has changed from the first situation. The woman in this case has some options, if she really feels she is not able to care for the baby, she can give her child up for adoption to someone who wishes to adopt a child.[/quote]

I cannot believe that even in the case of a brutal rape that you would still deny the woman the right to choose if she had to carry the child of a degenerate scumbag. If you cannot see the evil in that, there is no hope for you.

Has god ever spoken to you directly? If he has, who did you call first, your minister or a psychiatrist.[/quote]

I don’t understand how the dignity and innocence of an unborn child is affected by this? So, an unborn child is somehow to blame for someone else’s actions?

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Innocence and dignity are not things the government’s here to protect.

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[quote]Spartiates wrote:
Innocence and dignity are not things the government’s here to protect.[/quote]

Really? Interesting what are they here to protect?

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]swoleupinya wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

If a woman or anyone is raped, it is a horrible situation which something was forced on an innocent person and something was taken away from them against their will and the person who did this cruel and destructive damage should be dealt justice.

However, the innocence and dignity of the unborn child does not disappear just because the method of which the child was brought about is different or has changed from the first situation. The woman in this case has some options, if she really feels she is not able to care for the baby, she can give her child up for adoption to someone who wishes to adopt a child.[/quote]

This is an admirable sentiment, Chris. But, it is not one shared by victims of rape… The depth of negative feelings associated with rape - shame, guilt, helplessness, anger - Would make something like carrying a child to full term effectively impossible.

Perhaps if our society had a better safety net of services such as mental health care, child care, etc… for those who need it, we could attempt to do a better job with these types of situations. [/quote]

So you speak for all rape victims…interesting. I’m sure there is are a few rape victims that have come to term.
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No. I only speak for the many that I’ve known. And, I’m telling you more plainly this time that you are not considering their fragile mental health. Nor does our society.

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[quote]swoleupinya wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]swoleupinya wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

If a woman or anyone is raped, it is a horrible situation which something was forced on an innocent person and something was taken away from them against their will and the person who did this cruel and destructive damage should be dealt justice.

However, the innocence and dignity of the unborn child does not disappear just because the method of which the child was brought about is different or has changed from the first situation. The woman in this case has some options, if she really feels she is not able to care for the baby, she can give her child up for adoption to someone who wishes to adopt a child.[/quote]

This is an admirable sentiment, Chris. But, it is not one shared by victims of rape… The depth of negative feelings associated with rape - shame, guilt, helplessness, anger - Would make something like carrying a child to full term effectively impossible.

Perhaps if our society had a better safety net of services such as mental health care, child care, etc… for those who need it, we could attempt to do a better job with these types of situations. [/quote]

So you speak for all rape victims…interesting. I’m sure there is are a few rape victims that have come to term.
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No. I only speak for the many that I’ve known. And, I’m telling you more plainly this time that you are not considering their fragile mental health. Nor does our society.
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I’m being compassionate for their child and their future mental state when a few years down the road they start to feel the guilt of killing their child and have serious psychological problems piled on top of their already psychological problems from the rape.

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I can’t speak to your experience, but I do know women who have had early term abortions and have lived with the act comfortably. I also know a woman who is tortured by it. In her instance, though, the emotional weight is nothing like what I have seen in rape victims. It’s just an entirely different world of pain.

I think that I have stated before that I am not a fan of abortion in many cases. There are certainly instances where it is necessary: my wife and I had to abort our first attempt at pregnancy or risk fatal hemorrhaging for her. It was not viable by any stretch, but it did weigh upon us heavily.

I do not think that there is any way to eliminate abortion to near zero. I do think we can do much better, and we can do so by taking positive actions to add assistance tools for unwed mothers and for uneducated parents and potential parents.

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I can’t speak to your experience, but I do know women who have had early term abortions and have lived with the act comfortably. I also know a woman who is tortured by it. In her instance, though, the emotional weight is nothing like what I have seen in rape victims. It’s just an entirely different world of pain.

I think that I have stated before that I am not a fan of abortion in many cases. There are certainly instances where it is necessary: my wife and I had to abort our first attempt at pregnancy or risk fatal hemorrhaging for her. It was not viable by any stretch, but it did weigh upon us heavily.

I do not think that there is any way to eliminate abortion to near zero. I do think we can do much better, and we can do so by taking positive actions to add assistance tools for unwed mothers and for uneducated parents and potential parents.