Obama Screws Vets

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]NealRaymond2 wrote:
As disappointed as I was and still am that McCain was the Republican nominee, one thing is clear (clearly a credit to McCain): never in a million years would McCain have come up with something like this. I can’t even imagine a McCain underling having the nerve to suggest any such thing in his presence.
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Oh shit. I’d love to see the reaction to that–something tells me the underling would wind up with his balls tied to Airforce 1 as it flew down the runway, being dragged to death… :slight_smile:

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lol you are all shocked? The USA elections are a circus and you voted in a clown.

I guess all those movie stars were wrong in promoting Obama and who would have thought brainless celebrities would be wrong.

But on a serious note this is really bad and he is really brave for doing this if he does do it. When all vets come home they are going to be pissed off and you just need one of them with a rifle to be in a bad mood and good bye JFK style

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[quote]jzzz wrote:
When all vets come home they are going to be pissed off and you just need one of them with a rifle to be in a bad mood and good bye JFK style[/quote]

More like two or three, with Secret Service and CIA complicity, if it’s gonna be JFK-style. And a vice-president who looks the other way.

That’s why I call him Joe Bidin’ his Time.

It does raise an interesting question, though. I wonder how many members of the Secret Service and the CIA are veterans, or the relatives of veterans, who would be adversely affected by this. I wonder if the president has considered this question, and its possible ramifications.

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[quote]jzzz wrote:
lol you are all shocked? The USA elections are a circus and you voted in a clown.

I guess all those movie stars were wrong in promoting Obama and who would have thought brainless celebrities would be wrong.

But on a serious note this is really bad and he is really brave for doing this if he does do it. When all vets come home they are going to be pissed off and you just need one of them with a rifle to be in a bad mood and good bye JFK style[/quote]

I’m not shocked in the slightest. I didn’t vote for this guy. I opposed him, and I’m sad to say I’ve called a lot of this (in personal discussions, not on this forum). I did resolve to give him the benefit of the doubt before he was sworn in, but I have to confess my resolve to be open minded has withered in record time.

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[quote]Varqanir wrote:
jzzz wrote:
When all vets come home they are going to be pissed off and you just need one of them with a rifle to be in a bad mood and good bye JFK style

More like two or three, with Secret Service and CIA complicity, if it’s gonna be JFK-style. And a vice-president who looks the other way.

That’s why I call him Joe Bidin’ his Time.

It does raise an interesting question, though. I wonder how many members of the Secret Service and the CIA are veterans, or the relatives of veterans, who would be adversely affected by this. I wonder if the president has considered this question, and its possible ramifications.[/quote]

Completely off-topic:

That’s a nice M1a.

I wanted one, but the price was too steep for my taste. Instead, I’ve got a Garand refitted in .308 on its way. I got it for over $1,000 less than the M1a’s I was seeing, and I’m optimistic that I won’t ever look back and wish I spent the extra $1,000.

It should be here in a few days.

/off-topic

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[quote]tGunslinger wrote:
Completely off-topic:

That’s a nice M1a.

I wanted one, but the price was too steep for my taste. Instead, I’ve got a Garand refitted in .308 on its way. I got it for over $1,000 less than the M1a’s I was seeing, and I’m optimistic that I won’t ever look back and wish I spent the extra $1,000.

It should be here in a few days.

/off-topic[/quote]

Thanks for the compliment on my rifle. Here’s another view of it.

You’ll never have any cause to regret owning a Garand. An M1A is essentially a Garand with a magazine, after all, and chambering in a NATO caliber makes good logistical sense (I think the only two militaries that still use .30-06 are Haiti and maybe Greece).

Not to mention the fact that the Garand is a lot harder to demonize as an “assault weapon”, unless one is prepared to demonize the men who used it for assaults on places like Normandy and Okinawa.

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[quote]pat wrote:
Well ain’t this special. Now while he signs a “stimulus” that give ACORN 4.1 Billion dollars, he wants the Veterans of this Nation to bill their private insurance, even for injuries they receive in battle!

http://www.ajc.com/services/content/news/stories/2009/03/17/veterans_insurance.html?cxtype=rss&cxsvc=7&cxcat=15

Is he an idiot, or just an asshole?[/quote]

You were ahead of the curve on this…kudos. I find this callous treatment of guys who lose limbs or with very serious other medical issues simply beyond belief.

Imagine someone loses a leg or hand, and Obama tells them “Tough shit!” Wow!

I think he really is out to destroy America. I’m convinced. Barack Obama = Satan.

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Why would the “US of KKK-A” deserve any different?

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Well it looks like, Obama caught enough shit for this one that he took the option off the table, finally. I think it’s the first time he didn’t use his, “I won so screw yourself” motif that he’s pandered since the beginning.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/first100days/2009/03/18/obama-drops-controversial-health-care-plan-wounded-veterans/

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Oh, well now Obama has explained, his intentions were oh-so-good!

From the White House press secretary as to why Obama wanted to do this:

“…the administration was seeking to maximize the resources available for veterans.”

See?

Now, mean-spirited unpatriotic folk might think that since Obama has no problem dropping trillions on various government expansions, or on planning a $600 billion (gross underestimate) “down payment” on government health care, that he could have come up with the hundreds of millions that he was wanting to “maximize resources” for veterans by stopping paying these medical costs, by instead writing a check for like amount or more.

But no, the funds were fresh out. Besides, Bush hadn’t ordered enough checkbooks for the Oval Office desk and Obama had just used the last check, and the bank hadn’t gotten the reorder sent yet. He would have liked to do it though: if only the thought had occurred a couple of trillion dollars earlier into the spending orgy… It’s a matter of real regret. TOugh luck.

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[quote]Varqanir wrote:
tGunslinger wrote:
Completely off-topic:

That’s a nice M1a.

I wanted one, but the price was too steep for my taste. Instead, I’ve got a Garand refitted in .308 on its way. I got it for over $1,000 less than the M1a’s I was seeing, and I’m optimistic that I won’t ever look back and wish I spent the extra $1,000.

It should be here in a few days.

/off-topic

Thanks for the compliment on my rifle. Here’s another view of it.

You’ll never have any cause to regret owning a Garand. An M1A is essentially a Garand with a magazine, after all, and chambering in a NATO caliber makes good logistical sense (I think the only two militaries that still use .30-06 are Haiti and maybe Greece).

Not to mention the fact that the Garand is a lot harder to demonize as an “assault weapon”, unless one is prepared to demonize the men who used it for assaults on places like Normandy and Okinawa.[/quote]

Garand or M1a…don’t chose between them, buy both!

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[quote]Varqanir wrote:
tGunslinger wrote:
Completely off-topic:

That’s a nice M1a.

I wanted one, but the price was too steep for my taste. Instead, I’ve got a Garand refitted in .308 on its way. I got it for over $1,000 less than the M1a’s I was seeing, and I’m optimistic that I won’t ever look back and wish I spent the extra $1,000.

It should be here in a few days.

/off-topic

Thanks for the compliment on my rifle. Here’s another view of it.

You’ll never have any cause to regret owning a Garand. An M1A is essentially a Garand with a magazine, after all, and chambering in a NATO caliber makes good logistical sense (I think the only two militaries that still use .30-06 are Haiti and maybe Greece).

Not to mention the fact that the Garand is a lot harder to demonize as an “assault weapon”, unless one is prepared to demonize the men who used it for assaults on places like Normandy and Okinawa.[/quote]

That’s beautiful wood, and it looks like the 16" version, though I’m hardly an expert.

That’s nearly exactly the type of rifle I was looking for, but I wasn’t finding them for anything less than $1,800. Most were over $2,000, and I’m just not in a position to pay that much right now.

I stumbled over that .308 Garand, and I couldn’t pass it up when I saw it could be in my hands for about $900.

I can’t wait until it comes in; it’s like Christmas in March!

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[quote]hedo wrote:
Varqanir wrote:
tGunslinger wrote:
Completely off-topic:

That’s a nice M1a.

I wanted one, but the price was too steep for my taste. Instead, I’ve got a Garand refitted in .308 on its way. I got it for over $1,000 less than the M1a’s I was seeing, and I’m optimistic that I won’t ever look back and wish I spent the extra $1,000.

It should be here in a few days.

/off-topic

Thanks for the compliment on my rifle. Here’s another view of it.

You’ll never have any cause to regret owning a Garand. An M1A is essentially a Garand with a magazine, after all, and chambering in a NATO caliber makes good logistical sense (I think the only two militaries that still use .30-06 are Haiti and maybe Greece).

Not to mention the fact that the Garand is a lot harder to demonize as an “assault weapon”, unless one is prepared to demonize the men who used it for assaults on places like Normandy and Okinawa.

Garand or M1a…don’t chose between them, buy both!

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Heh, if money were no object, I’ve have a lot more than just Garands and M1a’s!

Wouldn’t mind having one of these in the house…

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[quote]tGunslinger wrote:

That’s beautiful wood, and it looks like the 16" version, though I’m hardly an expert.
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16" is the SOCOM. They look quite a bit different.

That one is a scout squad. Hardest to find right now.

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[quote]tGunslinger wrote:
Varqanir wrote:
tGunslinger wrote:
Completely off-topic:

That’s a nice M1a.

I wanted one, but the price was too steep for my taste. Instead, I’ve got a Garand refitted in .308 on its way. I got it for over $1,000 less than the M1a’s I was seeing, and I’m optimistic that I won’t ever look back and wish I spent the extra $1,000.

It should be here in a few days.

/off-topic

Thanks for the compliment on my rifle. Here’s another view of it.

You’ll never have any cause to regret owning a Garand. An M1A is essentially a Garand with a magazine, after all, and chambering in a NATO caliber makes good logistical sense (I think the only two militaries that still use .30-06 are Haiti and maybe Greece).

Not to mention the fact that the Garand is a lot harder to demonize as an “assault weapon”, unless one is prepared to demonize the men who used it for assaults on places like Normandy and Okinawa.

That’s beautiful wood, and it looks like the 16" version, though I’m hardly an expert.

That’s nearly exactly the type of rifle I was looking for, but I wasn’t finding them for anything less than $1,800. Most were over $2,000, and I’m just not in a position to pay that much right now.

I stumbled over that .308 Garand, and I couldn’t pass it up when I saw it could be in my hands for about $900.

I can’t wait until it comes in; it’s like Christmas in March![/quote]

If you are going to keep the wood stock, it wouldn’t hurt to have them glass bed the action while they are in there. A decent muzzle break wouldn’t be a bad idea if they are going with an aftermarket barrel.

Or just shoot it and have fun. Once you start modifing it, it’s hard to stop. Shit, I have $500 into a $180 SKS. I might actually put it back together one of these days. ARs and shotguns are trouble too. Just too many aftermarket options.

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[quote]dhickey wrote:

If you are going to keep the wood stock, it wouldn’t hurt to have them glass bed the action while they are in there. A decent muzzle break wouldn’t be a bad idea if they are going with an aftermarket barrel.

Or just shoot it and have fun. Once you start modifing it, it’s hard to stop. Shit, I have $500 into a $180 SKS. I might actually put it back together one of these days. ARs and shotguns are trouble too. Just too many aftermarket options.[/quote]

Damn, ain’t that the truth.

I’ve paid Fulton Armory as much money to glass bed the receiver into the laminated stock, to replace everything but the barrel and receiver with National Match M14 parts, and to tune up the gas system and trigger, as I paid Springfield for the rifle to begin with.

Of course, that was back when you could get a Scout Squad for 1400 dollars, and there was no shortage of new genuine GI parts.

Times have changed. Then, you could get a box of Hornady TAP 168 grain ammunition (red box) for 21 bucks, and a genuine GI 20-round magazine for 35. Now it’s more like 31 for the ammo, and 75 for the magazine.

Hate to see what it’ll all cost a in a few more years.

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[quote]Varqanir wrote:
dhickey wrote:

If you are going to keep the wood stock, it wouldn’t hurt to have them glass bed the action while they are in there. A decent muzzle break wouldn’t be a bad idea if they are going with an aftermarket barrel.

Or just shoot it and have fun. Once you start modifing it, it’s hard to stop. Shit, I have $500 into a $180 SKS. I might actually put it back together one of these days. ARs and shotguns are trouble too. Just too many aftermarket options.

Damn, ain’t that the truth.

I’ve paid Fulton Armory as much money to glass bed the receiver into the laminated stock, to replace everything but the barrel and receiver with National Match M14 parts, and to tune up the gas system and trigger, as I paid Springfield for the rifle to begin with.

Of course, that was back when you could get a Scout Squad for 1400 dollars, and there was no shortage of new genuine GI parts.

Times have changed. Then, you could get a box of Hornady TAP 168 grain ammunition (red box) for 21 bucks, and a genuine GI 20-round magazine for 35. Now it’s more like 31 for the ammo, and 75 for the magazine.

Hate to see what it’ll all cost a in a few more years.[/quote]

You have to start reloading my friend. Although the M1a tears up brass you can still get 3 or 4 reloads out of each case. I’m shooting Win Brass and Sierra Match King 168’s W/ Varget powder for about $7/ box. The brass is the big cost and I got a lot of it. The improved accuracy is nice as well.

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[quote]hedo wrote:
Varqanir wrote:
dhickey wrote:

If you are going to keep the wood stock, it wouldn’t hurt to have them glass bed the action while they are in there. A decent muzzle break wouldn’t be a bad idea if they are going with an aftermarket barrel.

Or just shoot it and have fun. Once you start modifing it, it’s hard to stop. Shit, I have $500 into a $180 SKS. I might actually put it back together one of these days. ARs and shotguns are trouble too. Just too many aftermarket options.

Damn, ain’t that the truth.

I’ve paid Fulton Armory as much money to glass bed the receiver into the laminated stock, to replace everything but the barrel and receiver with National Match M14 parts, and to tune up the gas system and trigger, as I paid Springfield for the rifle to begin with.

Of course, that was back when you could get a Scout Squad for 1400 dollars, and there was no shortage of new genuine GI parts.

Times have changed. Then, you could get a box of Hornady TAP 168 grain ammunition (red box) for 21 bucks, and a genuine GI 20-round magazine for 35. Now it’s more like 31 for the ammo, and 75 for the magazine.

Hate to see what it’ll all cost a in a few more years.

You have to start reloading my friend. Although the M1a tears up brass you can still get 3 or 4 reloads out of each case. I’m shooting Win Brass and Sierra Match King 168’s W/ Varget powder for about $7/ box. The brass is the big cost and I got a lot of it. The improved accuracy is nice as well.

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I have a spot in my Office/weight room cleared out for a reloading bench. Just need to do a bit more research before getting started. I wonder if there is a “reloading for dummies”? There was really good reloading article in shooting times (i beleive) with recommended must have equipment.