Obama has Failed at Everything

[smh_23]

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]Varqanir wrote:
Pat:

You do know how easy it is to synthesise chlorine gas, right?

Just mix chlorine bleach with clear ammonia. Presto. Chlorine gas.

That’s the amateur method, though. If you’re serious about this, get out of the household cleaning aisle and head over to pool supplies, where you will pick up some chlorine crystals and hydrochloric (muriatic) acid. Mix until crystals are dissolved, and enjoy!

Note: I do not advocate use of chlorine gas on civilians.

[/quote]

Yes, I know it’s easy to synthesize chlorine gas. Are you really thinking that this is something they synthesized in their sink? Home made weapons? No, there were high pressure containers of industrial chlorine gas.
[/quote]

The point is not how they made or got it.

The point is that Chlorine weapons are not comparable to the kinds of weapons that we’ve just finished taking from Assad. You are pretending that it is some kind of American foreign policy failure that some guys in Syria killed a few people with a weapon whose primary ingredient is sitting in a factory a few miles from your house, and which can be made at home with pool supplies. You are pretending that this crude and ineffective method of killing is a big fucking deal while at the very same time downplaying the worth of the removal of 2,000,000 pounds of much more toxic, not dual-use, banned chemical weapons like Sarin and Mustard.

That’s the point.

[pat]

[quote]Varqanir wrote:
Chemical weapons stockpile.[/quote]

Seriously?

Do you think they synthesized it in a sink with ammonia and bleach? Every news report shows they were high pressure canisters.

[smh_23]

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]smh_23 wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:
it wasn’t crude[/quote]

A leading international human rights group said on Tuesday it has strong evidence that Syria’s army used chlorine gas on rebel-held neighborhoods last month, dropping the canisters in crude bombs on residential areas.

Human Rights Watch latest to claim Syria's Assad used chemical weapons in April

Officially this means there are no chemical weapons left in Syria, although there are concerns that the regime or the opposition forces are still using chlorine gas, a relatively crude chemical weapon.

Decommissioning Syria’s chemical weapons stockpile at sea: Cape Ray - the boat that will take 700 tons of Assad's toxic material on its final voyage | The Independent | The Independent

A leading human rights group says it has strong evidence that Syria’s army used chemical weapons on rebel-held areas last month.

Human Rights Watch said on Tuesday that forces loyal to President Bashar al-Assad likely used chlorine gas on three towns in northern Syria in mid-April.

The New-York based group said chlorine canisters appear to have been embedded into crude explosive-laden barrels and dropped on rebel-held areas by military helicopters, according to interviews with witnesses, video footage and photographs.

Syria used chemical weapons on rebels, claims human rights group | Syria | The Guardian

It is, at this point, almost hard to believe that you’re still trying to pull this nonsense. (Or are you being “deliberately dismissive” here again?) What is it about the basic principles of argument–or, rather, the basic principles of reason–that you find so unappealing? Have the answer before you say the answer. This is a principle that helped me through the first grade, and I’ve been fortunate to have hung onto it.

From your early and sadly unacknowledged errors regarding the simple facts of the matter on which you were at the time opining, to the accusations you fabricated about my having been ignorant of certain chemical attacks in Syria, to the accusations you fabricated about my having thought that chlorine gas was composed entirely of bleach (a word I hadn’t used) bought at the store (aside: Do you think I’ve ever bought bleach before? Do you think that when I bought this bleach, I failed to observe that it was a container full of liquid and not gas? Do you think that I failed to observe that when I used the bleach, I didn’t die and/or have to go to the hospital for respiratory irritation?), to the thousands of words’ worth of pure substantive argument which you dismissed with lines like “what’s to address?”–this thread has been a master class in bullshit. I now feel I’m ready to jump headlong into the political arguments in the comments section below music videos on Youtube.[/quote]

I think you think you’re some kind of jedi. “This is not a big deal”.
Bullshit.
The man dropped high pressure chlorine gas canisters on people for the purpose of killing them.
The fact that you can kill youself in your own house by being stupid not withstanding, this was a deliberate chemical attack? What is so hard to understand about it.[/quote]

What is hard to understand is how you can have read that post of mine–which was in its near-entirety a collection of evidence leading inexorably to the conclusion that you are still, after all these pages of being caught in the act, making shit up left and right–and offered that response. You really are just blazing through it all, talking out your ass and then refusing to acknowledge it. It’s almost impressive, and I’m not even being sarcastic when I say that.

[pat]

[quote]smh_23 wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]Varqanir wrote:
Pat:

You do know how easy it is to synthesise chlorine gas, right?

Just mix chlorine bleach with clear ammonia. Presto. Chlorine gas.

That’s the amateur method, though. If you’re serious about this, get out of the household cleaning aisle and head over to pool supplies, where you will pick up some chlorine crystals and hydrochloric (muriatic) acid. Mix until crystals are dissolved, and enjoy!

Note: I do not advocate use of chlorine gas on civilians.

[/quote]

Yes, I know it’s easy to synthesize chlorine gas. Are you really thinking that this is something they synthesized in their sink? Home made weapons? No, there were high pressure containers of industrial chlorine gas.
[/quote]

The point is not how they made or got it.

The point is that Chlorine weapons are not comparable to the kinds of weapons that we’ve just finished taking from Assad. You are pretending that it is some kind of American foreign policy failure that some guys in Syria killed a few people with a weapon whose primary ingredient is sitting in a factory a few miles from your house, and which can be made at home with pool supplies. You are pretending that this crude and ineffective method of killing is a big fucking deal while at the very same time downplaying the worth of the removal of 2,000,000 pounds of much more toxic, not dual-use banned chemical weapons like Sarin and Mustard.

That’s the point.[/quote]

Even the OPCW says it should have been included on the list. I am sure you ignored that article.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/04/29/us-syria-crisis-idUSBREA3S0QL20140429

[smh_23]

[quote]pat wrote:
this was a deliberate chemical attack? What is so hard to understand about it.[/quote]

Nothing.

And no one has ever had any trouble understanding it.

And it has nothing to do with the arguments that you have pathologically gone out of your way to ignore.

Why are you taking the time to ask what’s hard to understand about something that nobody contests and that furthermore has nothing to do with the argument at hand?

[pat]

[quote]smh_23 wrote:

[quote]Varqanir wrote:
Pat:

You do know how easy it is to synthesise chlorine gas, right?

Just mix chlorine bleach with clear ammonia. Presto. Chlorine gas.

That’s the amateur method, though. If you’re serious about this, get out of the household cleaning aisle and head over to pool supplies, where you will pick up some chlorine crystals and hydrochloric (muriatic) acid. Mix until crystals are dissolved, and enjoy!

Note: I do not advocate use of chlorine gas on civilians.

[/quote]

Indeed.

Hence the comment: You can buy chlorine at the store.

Edited[/quote]

You cannot buy chlorine gas. And you cannot make it in weaponized amounts. It would take tons. The chlorine they used was already in gas form in pressurized barrels.

[pat]

[quote]smh_23 wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]Varqanir wrote:
Pat:

You do know how easy it is to synthesise chlorine gas, right?

Just mix chlorine bleach with clear ammonia. Presto. Chlorine gas.

That’s the amateur method, though. If you’re serious about this, get out of the household cleaning aisle and head over to pool supplies, where you will pick up some chlorine crystals and hydrochloric (muriatic) acid. Mix until crystals are dissolved, and enjoy!

Note: I do not advocate use of chlorine gas on civilians.

[/quote]

Yes, I know it’s easy to synthesize chlorine gas. Are you really thinking that this is something they synthesized in their sink? Home made weapons? No, there were high pressure containers of industrial chlorine gas.
[/quote]

The point is not how they made or got it.

The point is that Chlorine weapons are not comparable to the kinds of weapons that we’ve just finished taking from Assad. You are pretending that it is some kind of American foreign policy failure that some guys in Syria killed a few people with a weapon whose primary ingredient is sitting in a factory a few miles from your house, and which can be made at home with pool supplies. You are pretending that this crude and ineffective method of killing is a big fucking deal while at the very same time downplaying the worth of the removal of 2,000,000 pounds of much more toxic, not dual-use, banned chemical weapons like Sarin and Mustard.

That’s the point.[/quote]

The point isn’t what they removed, the point is they are still using poison despite the fact. The fact that it doesn’t kill as many, doesn’t mean it doesn’t kill and it isn’t a chemical weapon.

[pat]

[quote]smh_23 wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]smh_23 wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:
it wasn’t crude[/quote]

A leading international human rights group said on Tuesday it has strong evidence that Syria’s army used chlorine gas on rebel-held neighborhoods last month, dropping the canisters in crude bombs on residential areas.

Human Rights Watch latest to claim Syria's Assad used chemical weapons in April

Officially this means there are no chemical weapons left in Syria, although there are concerns that the regime or the opposition forces are still using chlorine gas, a relatively crude chemical weapon.

Decommissioning Syria’s chemical weapons stockpile at sea: Cape Ray - the boat that will take 700 tons of Assad's toxic material on its final voyage | The Independent | The Independent

A leading human rights group says it has strong evidence that Syria’s army used chemical weapons on rebel-held areas last month.

Human Rights Watch said on Tuesday that forces loyal to President Bashar al-Assad likely used chlorine gas on three towns in northern Syria in mid-April.

The New-York based group said chlorine canisters appear to have been embedded into crude explosive-laden barrels and dropped on rebel-held areas by military helicopters, according to interviews with witnesses, video footage and photographs.

Syria used chemical weapons on rebels, claims human rights group | Syria | The Guardian

It is, at this point, almost hard to believe that you’re still trying to pull this nonsense. (Or are you being “deliberately dismissive” here again?) What is it about the basic principles of argument–or, rather, the basic principles of reason–that you find so unappealing? Have the answer before you say the answer. This is a principle that helped me through the first grade, and I’ve been fortunate to have hung onto it.

From your early and sadly unacknowledged errors regarding the simple facts of the matter on which you were at the time opining, to the accusations you fabricated about my having been ignorant of certain chemical attacks in Syria, to the accusations you fabricated about my having thought that chlorine gas was composed entirely of bleach (a word I hadn’t used) bought at the store (aside: Do you think I’ve ever bought bleach before? Do you think that when I bought this bleach, I failed to observe that it was a container full of liquid and not gas? Do you think that I failed to observe that when I used the bleach, I didn’t die and/or have to go to the hospital for respiratory irritation?), to the thousands of words’ worth of pure substantive argument which you dismissed with lines like “what’s to address?”–this thread has been a master class in bullshit. I now feel I’m ready to jump headlong into the political arguments in the comments section below music videos on Youtube.[/quote]

I think you think you’re some kind of jedi. “This is not a big deal”.
Bullshit.
The man dropped high pressure chlorine gas canisters on people for the purpose of killing them.
The fact that you can kill youself in your own house by being stupid not withstanding, this was a deliberate chemical attack? What is so hard to understand about it.[/quote]

What is hard to understand is how you can have read that post of mine–which was in its near-entirety a collection of evidence leading inexorably to the conclusion that you are still, after all these pages of being caught in the act, making shit up left and right–and offered that response. You really are just blazing through it all, talking out your ass and then refusing to acknowledge it. It’s almost impressive, and I’m not even being sarcastic when I say that.[/quote]

What am I making up? The man used chlorine gas to kill people. I made that up? What is it you think I made up?
You think you can by enough bleach and ammonia in a store to even compare to the size of the barrels dropped on people in Syria? Seriously, you believe that?
The amount you would have to buy would definitely put you on a watch list.

So let me get this straight? Assad using chlorine gas in large quantities to kill people is no big deal? It didn’t violate any agreements? It doesn’t matter? Is that what you are claiming?

[smh_23]

[quote]pat wrote:

Even the OPCW says it should have been included on the list. I am sure you ignored that article.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/04/29/us-syria-crisis-idUSBREA3S0QL20140429
[/quote]

I’ve read the article twice now. Post the excerpt that says that Chlorine should have been listed in the disclosures.

[pat]

[quote]smh_23 wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]smh_23 wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:
it wasn’t crude[/quote]

A leading international human rights group said on Tuesday it has strong evidence that Syria’s army used chlorine gas on rebel-held neighborhoods last month, dropping the canisters in crude bombs on residential areas.

Human Rights Watch latest to claim Syria's Assad used chemical weapons in April

Officially this means there are no chemical weapons left in Syria, although there are concerns that the regime or the opposition forces are still using chlorine gas, a relatively crude chemical weapon.

Decommissioning Syria’s chemical weapons stockpile at sea: Cape Ray - the boat that will take 700 tons of Assad's toxic material on its final voyage | The Independent | The Independent

A leading human rights group says it has strong evidence that Syria’s army used chemical weapons on rebel-held areas last month.

Human Rights Watch said on Tuesday that forces loyal to President Bashar al-Assad likely used chlorine gas on three towns in northern Syria in mid-April.

The New-York based group said chlorine canisters appear to have been embedded into crude explosive-laden barrels and dropped on rebel-held areas by military helicopters, according to interviews with witnesses, video footage and photographs.

Syria used chemical weapons on rebels, claims human rights group | Syria | The Guardian

It is, at this point, almost hard to believe that you’re still trying to pull this nonsense. (Or are you being “deliberately dismissive” here again?) What is it about the basic principles of argument–or, rather, the basic principles of reason–that you find so unappealing? Have the answer before you say the answer. This is a principle that helped me through the first grade, and I’ve been fortunate to have hung onto it.

From your early and sadly unacknowledged errors regarding the simple facts of the matter on which you were at the time opining, to the accusations you fabricated about my having been ignorant of certain chemical attacks in Syria, to the accusations you fabricated about my having thought that chlorine gas was composed entirely of bleach (a word I hadn’t used) bought at the store (aside: Do you think I’ve ever bought bleach before? Do you think that when I bought this bleach, I failed to observe that it was a container full of liquid and not gas? Do you think that I failed to observe that when I used the bleach, I didn’t die and/or have to go to the hospital for respiratory irritation?), to the thousands of words’ worth of pure substantive argument which you dismissed with lines like “what’s to address?”–this thread has been a master class in bullshit. I now feel I’m ready to jump headlong into the political arguments in the comments section below music videos on Youtube.[/quote]

I think you think you’re some kind of jedi. “This is not a big deal”.
Bullshit.
The man dropped high pressure chlorine gas canisters on people for the purpose of killing them.
The fact that you can kill youself in your own house by being stupid not withstanding, this was a deliberate chemical attack? What is so hard to understand about it.[/quote]

What is hard to understand is how you can have read that post of mine–which was in its near-entirety a collection of evidence leading inexorably to the conclusion that you are still, after all these pages of being caught in the act, making shit up left and right–and offered that response. You really are just blazing through it all, talking out your ass and then refusing to acknowledge it. It’s almost impressive, and I’m not even being sarcastic when I say that.[/quote]

So they used ‘crude’ explosive devices to set off the barrels of pressurized chlorine gas? Okay, it wasn’t their finest hour. But they used chlorine gas to kill people deliberately. I am supposed to pretend it’s no big deal? The rest of the world condemns the act, but here it’s no big whoop?

[pat]

[quote]smh_23 wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

Even the OPCW says it should have been included on the list. I am sure you ignored that article.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/04/29/us-syria-crisis-idUSBREA3S0QL20140429
[/quote]

I’ve read the article twice now. Post the excerpt that says that Chlorine should have been listed in the disclosures.[/quote]

Here’s the article…
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/04/22/us-syria-crisis-chlorine-idUSBREA3L11I20140422

[pat]

[quote]smh_23 wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:
this was a deliberate chemical attack? What is so hard to understand about it.[/quote]

Nothing.

And no one has ever had any trouble understanding it.

And it has nothing to do with the arguments that you have pathologically gone out of your way to ignore.

Why are you taking the time to ask what’s hard to understand about something that nobody contests and that furthermore has nothing to do with the argument at hand?[/quote]

What arguments? That they didn’t kill people with chlorine gas? Or I am not supposed to consider that a big deal because you don’t care?

[smh_23]

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]smh_23 wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]smh_23 wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:
it wasn’t crude[/quote]

A leading international human rights group said on Tuesday it has strong evidence that Syria’s army used chlorine gas on rebel-held neighborhoods last month, dropping the canisters in crude bombs on residential areas.

Human Rights Watch latest to claim Syria's Assad used chemical weapons in April

Officially this means there are no chemical weapons left in Syria, although there are concerns that the regime or the opposition forces are still using chlorine gas, a relatively crude chemical weapon.

Decommissioning Syria’s chemical weapons stockpile at sea: Cape Ray - the boat that will take 700 tons of Assad's toxic material on its final voyage | The Independent | The Independent

A leading human rights group says it has strong evidence that Syria’s army used chemical weapons on rebel-held areas last month.

Human Rights Watch said on Tuesday that forces loyal to President Bashar al-Assad likely used chlorine gas on three towns in northern Syria in mid-April.

The New-York based group said chlorine canisters appear to have been embedded into crude explosive-laden barrels and dropped on rebel-held areas by military helicopters, according to interviews with witnesses, video footage and photographs.

Syria used chemical weapons on rebels, claims human rights group | Syria | The Guardian

It is, at this point, almost hard to believe that you’re still trying to pull this nonsense. (Or are you being “deliberately dismissive” here again?) What is it about the basic principles of argument–or, rather, the basic principles of reason–that you find so unappealing? Have the answer before you say the answer. This is a principle that helped me through the first grade, and I’ve been fortunate to have hung onto it.

From your early and sadly unacknowledged errors regarding the simple facts of the matter on which you were at the time opining, to the accusations you fabricated about my having been ignorant of certain chemical attacks in Syria, to the accusations you fabricated about my having thought that chlorine gas was composed entirely of bleach (a word I hadn’t used) bought at the store (aside: Do you think I’ve ever bought bleach before? Do you think that when I bought this bleach, I failed to observe that it was a container full of liquid and not gas? Do you think that I failed to observe that when I used the bleach, I didn’t die and/or have to go to the hospital for respiratory irritation?), to the thousands of words’ worth of pure substantive argument which you dismissed with lines like “what’s to address?”–this thread has been a master class in bullshit. I now feel I’m ready to jump headlong into the political arguments in the comments section below music videos on Youtube.[/quote]

I think you think you’re some kind of jedi. “This is not a big deal”.
Bullshit.
The man dropped high pressure chlorine gas canisters on people for the purpose of killing them.
The fact that you can kill youself in your own house by being stupid not withstanding, this was a deliberate chemical attack? What is so hard to understand about it.[/quote]

What is hard to understand is how you can have read that post of mine–which was in its near-entirety a collection of evidence leading inexorably to the conclusion that you are still, after all these pages of being caught in the act, making shit up left and right–and offered that response. You really are just blazing through it all, talking out your ass and then refusing to acknowledge it. It’s almost impressive, and I’m not even being sarcastic when I say that.[/quote]

What am I making up? The man used chlorine gas to kill people. I made that up? What is it you think I made up?
[/quote]

You are literally quoting the post wherein I explicitly produced the claim which you made up, and then offered evidence in service of the conclusion that you’d in fact been making shit up. If you can look at the quoted post and not understand which claim of yours I am attacking, you need to excuse yourself from this debate.

[quote]pat wrote:
So let me get this straight? Assad using chlorine gas in large quantities to kill people is no big deal? It didn’t violate any agreements? It doesn’t matter? Is that what you are claiming? [/quote]

That you can’t figure out what’s being claimed by the people who are disagreeing with you is no longer their problem. They are not writing in Hebrew, and they have been very clear about every little point, for a very long time. For the hundredth time: Read and respond to the arguments that have been put to you if you want this debate to continue beyond this already rather disastrous stage.

[pat]

[quote]smh_23 wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:
No that’s not what you said, you said this exactly:
"“2,000,000 pounds of nerve and blister agents + Syrian accession to the CWC, at no cost to the United States? Mishandled. Failure. Why? Because here are a few people who died from a crude chlorine bomb. Yes, chlorine, the stuff you can buy at the store.”

They didn’t buy it at the store[/quote]

I didn’t say they did.

[quote]
and it wasn’t crude.[/quote]

Again, stop making shit up.

[quote]
I was the one who told you can make it in the sink, but at your own peril. Don’t clean your shower with Clorox and ammonia. Now you expect me to believe after you said the above that you knew all along chlorine bleach wasn’t chlorine gas?

Who’s being dishonest now?[/quote]

What are you talking about?

Where in my post is there anything about bleach being chlorine gas?

Post the excerpt, verbatim, wherein I called chlorine gas bleach. Verbatim. Or, once again, retract yet another load of arrant bullshit.

Edited[/quote]

You said ‘crude chlorine bomb’, ‘yes the stuff you can buy in the store’. You cannot buy chlorine gas in a store.

This idea that you can make it out of stuff you can buy in a store is horse shit, you cannot make it in those quantities. By that logic, you can buy a bomb in a store because you can buy the raw materials to make one.

[kamui]

[quote]
What arguments? That they didn’t kill people with chlorine gas? Or I am not supposed to consider that a big deal because you don’t care? [/quote]

I recently talked to a guy who worked for the algerian state police during their civil war, and who is now retired in France.

His take on the subject :

“Assad is doing your dirty job. And since your public opinion won’t allow you to openly thank him, you privately congratulate him by taking his weapons.”

This guy, who used to eviscerate jihadists for a living, doesn’t seem to care that much about syrian rebels.
But maybe he has a point : do we really want Assad’s regime to lose power in Syria ?

[pat]

[quote]Varqanir wrote:
Pat:

You do know how easy it is to synthesise chlorine gas, right?

Just mix chlorine bleach with clear ammonia. Presto. Chlorine gas.

That’s the amateur method, though. If you’re serious about this, get out of the household cleaning aisle and head over to pool supplies, where you will pick up some chlorine crystals and hydrochloric (muriatic) acid. Mix until crystals are dissolved, and enjoy!

Note: I do not advocate use of chlorine gas on civilians.

[/quote]

You realize that these were not homemade bomb, but pressurized canisters. I said the very same thing about making chlorine gas in the sink a few pages ago.
The fact that you can make ‘a little’ chlorine gas, perhaps enough to poison yourself. Does not equate to high pressure canisters filled with tons of the stuff being dropped out of helicopters on people.

Further, it is considered a chemical weapon. It is banned for use as a weapon. And Assad is using it as a weapon, despite the moratorium on chemical weapons.

[smh_23]

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]smh_23 wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:
No that’s not what you said, you said this exactly:
"“2,000,000 pounds of nerve and blister agents + Syrian accession to the CWC, at no cost to the United States? Mishandled. Failure. Why? Because here are a few people who died from a crude chlorine bomb. Yes, chlorine, the stuff you can buy at the store.”

They didn’t buy it at the store[/quote]

I didn’t say they did.

[quote]
and it wasn’t crude.[/quote]

Again, stop making shit up.

[quote]
I was the one who told you can make it in the sink, but at your own peril. Don’t clean your shower with Clorox and ammonia. Now you expect me to believe after you said the above that you knew all along chlorine bleach wasn’t chlorine gas?

Who’s being dishonest now?[/quote]

What are you talking about?

Where in my post is there anything about bleach being chlorine gas?

Post the excerpt, verbatim, wherein I called chlorine gas bleach. Verbatim. Or, once again, retract yet another load of arrant bullshit.

Edited[/quote]

You said ‘crude chlorine bomb’, ‘yes the stuff you can buy in the store’. You cannot buy chlorine gas in a store.

This idea that you can make it out of stuff you can buy in a store is horse shit, you cannot make it in those quantities. By that logic, you can buy a bomb in a store because you can buy the raw materials to make one.[/quote]

I said “yes, [b]chlorine[/b], the stuff you can buy at the store.” (Nice try, erasing the operative term.)

As in, chlorine can be bought at the store. (Fact.)

As in, you are pretending that the killing of a few Syrian civilians by way of a crude and relatively ineffective weapon made from a widely available, not banned, dual-use industrial and domestic chemical is some kind of grave American foreign policy failure.

This point has now been made by at the very least 3 posters, multiple times each.

[pat]

[quote]kamui wrote:

[quote]
What arguments? That they didn’t kill people with chlorine gas? Or I am not supposed to consider that a big deal because you don’t care? [/quote]

I recently talked to a guy who worked for the algerian state police during their civil war, and who is now retired in France.

His take on the subject :

“Assad is doing your dirty job. And since your public opinion won’t allow you to openly thank him, you privately congratulate him by taking his weapons.”

This guy, who used to eviscerate jihadists for a living, doesn’t seem to care that much about syrian rebels.
But maybe he has a point : do we really want Assad’s regime to lose power in Syria ?[/quote]

No we don’t. Not anymore. You notice people have stopped asking him to step down.
Assad is slowly getting his country back. And what’s allowed him to succeed in this was the disarmament of his chemical stash. The best thing that ever happened to him.

[pat]

[quote]smh_23 wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]smh_23 wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:
No that’s not what you said, you said this exactly:
"“2,000,000 pounds of nerve and blister agents + Syrian accession to the CWC, at no cost to the United States? Mishandled. Failure. Why? Because here are a few people who died from a crude chlorine bomb. Yes, chlorine, the stuff you can buy at the store.”

They didn’t buy it at the store[/quote]

I didn’t say they did.

[quote]
and it wasn’t crude.[/quote]

Again, stop making shit up.

[quote]
I was the one who told you can make it in the sink, but at your own peril. Don’t clean your shower with Clorox and ammonia. Now you expect me to believe after you said the above that you knew all along chlorine bleach wasn’t chlorine gas?

Who’s being dishonest now?[/quote]

What are you talking about?

Where in my post is there anything about bleach being chlorine gas?

Post the excerpt, verbatim, wherein I called chlorine gas bleach. Verbatim. Or, once again, retract yet another load of arrant bullshit.

Edited[/quote]

You said ‘crude chlorine bomb’, ‘yes the stuff you can buy in the store’. You cannot buy chlorine gas in a store.

This idea that you can make it out of stuff you can buy in a store is horse shit, you cannot make it in those quantities. By that logic, you can buy a bomb in a store because you can buy the raw materials to make one.[/quote]

I said yes, [b]chlorine[/b], the stuff you can buy at the store. (Nice try, erasing the operative term.)

As in, chlorine can be bought at the store. (Fact.)

As in, you are pretending that the killing of a few Syrian civilians by way of a crude and relatively ineffective weapon made from a widely available, not banned, dual-use industrial and domestic chemical is some kind of grave American foreign policy failure.

This point has now been made by at the very least 3 posters, multiple times each.[/quote]

“Chlorine, a so-called dual-use chemical that has industrial uses, is not on the list of chemical weapons submitted to the OPCW but was produced in Syria before the war. It should have been declared if the government has it, an OPCW spokesman said.”

What’s that? The OPCW says it should have been declared.
I posted this article twice. Should I listen to the OPCW, or 3 posters?

[pat]

[quote]smh_23 wrote:

[quote]Varqanir wrote:
Pat:

You do know how easy it is to synthesise chlorine gas, right?

Just mix chlorine bleach with clear ammonia. Presto. Chlorine gas.

That’s the amateur method, though. If you’re serious about this, get out of the household cleaning aisle and head over to pool supplies, where you will pick up some chlorine crystals and hydrochloric (muriatic) acid. Mix until crystals are dissolved, and enjoy!

Note: I do not advocate use of chlorine gas on civilians.

[/quote]

Indeed.

Hence the comment: You can buy chlorine at the store.

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Buy that logic you can buy bombs at the store. Fertilizer, ammonia, gasoline.