Obama Can't Run On His Record?

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
I expect Obama to run on his record.

I expect it will be a VERY close race.

I’m also guessing a much lower turnout than last time around as both “bases” aren’t “feeling it” … 'course that could change.

“Not Bad” is hilarious. [/quote]

Lower turnout for Obama as class warfare does not sell quite as well as “hope and change.” Higher turnout for the GOP because McCain is not Romney (thankfully). And GOP voters know that this is one that can actually be won. And Obama will not run on his record as no President has ever been reelected with over 8% unemployment. He will try to make this be about Romney–Will it work? Who knows?

But I agree it will be close.[/quote]

You might be right. The tea party might actually be huge in this election, I think. They aren’t about Romney, but they’ll get people to the polls and those people will vote for Romney. I’m not so sure if Romney is not “McCain.” He certainly is to a lot of conservatives. That said, unless the tea party decides to put up a candidate (protest?), they will vote for Romney.

Is that true about no president? Where was FDR? Seems he’s the only one who faced “comparable” issues coming into office.

I agree that it will be extremely close. [/quote]

You make all relevant points. Politically McCain and Romney are both centrists, with Romney a tad more conservative to be sure. But when the average voter looks at Romney they don’t think McCain. That’s what I meant by Romney is not McCain. I heard Romney give a speech the other night and it was off the cuff, no teleprompters or script and he was really outstanding. He kept my attention and more importantly he looked Presidential doing it. That’s something that candidates like John McCain (who is a decent man) didn’t have. My point is when both Obama and Romney are standing at their respective podiums each is able to bring his own brand of charisma to the table. Now I know those who hate one or the other don’t see this. But those people have already made up their minds. The vast majority who will be deciding late (as usual) will be convinced by one or the other’s presentation skills and how they look doing it.

And you are correct regarding FDR. The unemployment rate when he won reelection in 1936 was 16.9% and 14.6% when he won his third term in 1940. With that said from that point on no President has ever won reelection with unemployment past 8%. I should have qualified my previous statement by saying “during the modern era,” or “post FDR.” My mistake.

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Yes but if employment statistics were calculated now how they were in FDR’s era they would be a lot higher.

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[quote]CSEagles1694 wrote:
He saved the auto industry? He should’ve let the car companies go bankrupt. He should’ve let the banks go under, too. You don’t fix a recession with more government. You fix it by letting the market work like it’s supposed to.

CS[/quote]

Well, tricky one. The financial crisis really took off when lehmann brothers was allowed to go under

TARP, passed by the Bush administration, had given $700 billion to Paulson to administer as he see fit. So Obama reneging on that would have been unlikely

It would have been fun if he had though, just for the fireworks.

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[quote]optheta wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]CSEagles1694 wrote:
He saved the auto industry? He should’ve let the car companies go bankrupt. He should’ve let the banks go under, too. You don’t fix a recession with more government. You fix it by letting the market work like it’s supposed to.

CS[/quote]

You are spot on my friend!

You are a young but wise man.[/quote]

Lets be logical here, no president would allow this it would look A BILLION TIMES WORSE for him if this happened.

Sure in the LONG TERM would have been better but presidents are only in office for a max of 8 years thats not exactly long term.

And I would bet my life that NO president Republican/Democrat would have let them fail.[/quote]

I don’t disagree with your reasoning. But it is just such reasoning that has put us in the mess that we are currently in. We need long-term thinkers in charge almost regardless of political party.

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[quote]Bambi wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
I expect Obama to run on his record.

I expect it will be a VERY close race.

I’m also guessing a much lower turnout than last time around as both “bases” aren’t “feeling it” … 'course that could change.

“Not Bad” is hilarious. [/quote]

Lower turnout for Obama as class warfare does not sell quite as well as “hope and change.” Higher turnout for the GOP because McCain is not Romney (thankfully). And GOP voters know that this is one that can actually be won. And Obama will not run on his record as no President has ever been reelected with over 8% unemployment. He will try to make this be about Romney–Will it work? Who knows?

But I agree it will be close.[/quote]

You might be right. The tea party might actually be huge in this election, I think. They aren’t about Romney, but they’ll get people to the polls and those people will vote for Romney. I’m not so sure if Romney is not “McCain.” He certainly is to a lot of conservatives. That said, unless the tea party decides to put up a candidate (protest?), they will vote for Romney.

Is that true about no president? Where was FDR? Seems he’s the only one who faced “comparable” issues coming into office.

I agree that it will be extremely close. [/quote]

You make all relevant points. Politically McCain and Romney are both centrists, with Romney a tad more conservative to be sure. But when the average voter looks at Romney they don’t think McCain. That’s what I meant by Romney is not McCain. I heard Romney give a speech the other night and it was off the cuff, no teleprompters or script and he was really outstanding. He kept my attention and more importantly he looked Presidential doing it. That’s something that candidates like John McCain (who is a decent man) didn’t have. My point is when both Obama and Romney are standing at their respective podiums each is able to bring his own brand of charisma to the table. Now I know those who hate one or the other don’t see this. But those people have already made up their minds. The vast majority who will be deciding late (as usual) will be convinced by one or the other’s presentation skills and how they look doing it.

And you are correct regarding FDR. The unemployment rate when he won reelection in 1936 was 16.9% and 14.6% when he won his third term in 1940. With that said from that point on no President has ever won reelection with unemployment past 8%. I should have qualified my previous statement by saying “during the modern era,” or “post FDR.” My mistake.

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Yes but if employment statistics were calculated now how they were in FDR’s era they would be a lot higher.[/quote]

Excellent point, perhaps they would be somewhere between 12% and 14%.

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[quote]K2000 wrote:
I listen to Hate Radio occasionally (Hannity, Rush, Mark Levine) just to see what they’re saying (hey conservatives, maybe you should try monitoring the other side occasionally). Hannity is dumber than a bag of hammers, but that’s another thread.

Anyway, I’ve been hearing this on the radio a lot: “Obama can’t run on his record!”

Which is weird, because I’m on the Obama mailing list, and they just sent me a poster specifically detailing Obama’s record. A POSTER. Which says to me that his record is going to be a big part of his campaign in November. I don’t know where Hate Radio comes up with these sound bites, but they are way off on this one.

Conservatives like to imagine that everybody hates Obamacare, but the more people know about it, the more they like it. The more the benefits kick in, the more people understand the positive side. Sorta like Medicare and Social Security… people absolutely LOVE those programs. You can expect Obama to run directly against the Ryan budget (the Granny Starver budget). I can guarantee that the Ryan plan is essentially DOA, and nobody mainstream is going to think it’s viable by the end of the year.

Anyway, Obama’s bragging on this, on his promo material. You guys can argue your opinion that these aren’t positive accomplishments, but he is most definitely running on his record. Anybody in the media who claims otherwise is either stupid, or lying.

1/29/09 - Equal Pay for Equal Work (Lily Ledbetter Fair Pay Act)
3/30/09 - Saving the U.S. Auto Industry
5/22/09 - Credit Card Reform
10/28/09 - Hate Crimes Prevention Act
3/23/10 - Affordable Care Act (Obamacare)
3/30/10 - Student Loan Reform
7/21/10 - Wall Street Reform
12/17/10 - Middle Class Tax Cuts
12/22/10 - Repeal of “Don’t Ask Don’t Tell”
7/29/11 - Raising Fuel Efficiency Standards
12/18/11 - Ending the War in Iraq

Hey, he forgot to put “Killing Osama Bin Laden”… maybe he’s saving that for later. ;-)[/quote]

I’d like to see some poll numbers about everyone loving Obamacare.

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]K2000 wrote:
I listen to Hate Radio occasionally (Hannity, Rush, Mark Levine) just to see what they’re saying (hey conservatives, maybe you should try monitoring the other side occasionally). Hannity is dumber than a bag of hammers, but that’s another thread.

Anyway, I’ve been hearing this on the radio a lot: “Obama can’t run on his record!”

Which is weird, because I’m on the Obama mailing list, and they just sent me a poster specifically detailing Obama’s record. A POSTER. Which says to me that his record is going to be a big part of his campaign in November. I don’t know where Hate Radio comes up with these sound bites, but they are way off on this one.

Conservatives like to imagine that everybody hates Obamacare, but the more people know about it, the more they like it. The more the benefits kick in, the more people understand the positive side. Sorta like Medicare and Social Security… people absolutely LOVE those programs. You can expect Obama to run directly against the Ryan budget (the Granny Starver budget). I can guarantee that the Ryan plan is essentially DOA, and nobody mainstream is going to think it’s viable by the end of the year.

Anyway, Obama’s bragging on this, on his promo material. You guys can argue your opinion that these aren’t positive accomplishments, but he is most definitely running on his record. Anybody in the media who claims otherwise is either stupid, or lying.

1/29/09 - Equal Pay for Equal Work (Lily Ledbetter Fair Pay Act)
3/30/09 - Saving the U.S. Auto Industry
5/22/09 - Credit Card Reform
10/28/09 - Hate Crimes Prevention Act
3/23/10 - Affordable Care Act (Obamacare)
3/30/10 - Student Loan Reform
7/21/10 - Wall Street Reform
12/17/10 - Middle Class Tax Cuts
12/22/10 - Repeal of “Don’t Ask Don’t Tell”
7/29/11 - Raising Fuel Efficiency Standards
12/18/11 - Ending the War in Iraq

Hey, he forgot to put “Killing Osama Bin Laden”… maybe he’s saving that for later. ;-)[/quote]

I’d like to see some poll numbers about everyone loving Obamacare. [/quote]

Here are some numbers regarding the majority not in favor of obamacare.

[quote]April 11, 2012

Two-thirds of people think that the high court should either strike down the law or at least the individual mandate portion. [/quote]

http://articles.businessinsider.com/2012-04-11/politics/31322666_1_oral-arguments-obamacare-rasmussen-poll