Obama and Acorn Plus Voter Fraud

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[quote]Inner Hulk wrote:
pat wrote:
Iron Dwarf wrote:

  • The Diebold CEO wrote a letter to the RNC in which he promised to “do everything possible” to ensure Bush’s election in 2001. His machines, which dominated eVoting across the country, were reported to be switching Gore votes to Bush votes in many key precincts.

  • Black Box Voting discovered that there was a simple two-stroke command buried inside Diebold’s programming that was a back door into Diebold’s computers which would allow someone to switch whole vote totals from one side to the other.

  • It was Republican officials in Florida - Jeb Bush and Katherine Harris - who ordered ChoicePoint NOT to correct their highly inaccurate felon list, a list that prevented hundreds of African-Americans - a heavily Democratic voting bloc - from voting at all.

  • It was Republican election officials in Ohio in '04 who put thousands of paper ballots into the back of a station wagon and drove off with them so they couldn’t be counted, ballots that later turned out to be from heavily Democratic districts.

You will of course need to provide sources for this info since this is news to most of us. Those are accusations that carry heavy prison sentences and all surely the mainstream, being heavily liberal and all would have picked up on those tasty morsels you delivered.
“I am committed to helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes to the president.”…oops!
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/07/28/sunday/main632436.shtml

Diebold’s sloppy and malfunctioning machines…
http://www.usatoday.com/tech/columnist/andrewkantor/2003-12-05-kantor_x.htm

"�??Democratic politicians, including Barack Obama, are as unwilling as Republicans to discuss the threat of another stolen election, even though such irregularities cost them the last two presidential races,�?? said David Cobb. �??The major media are also ignoring the topic, despite overwhelming evidence, including the Conyers Commission�??s findings, the conviction of two Republican election officials in Cuyahoga County, Ohio, for their role in tampering with the 2004 recount, and a 2007 Ohio study finding �??critical security failures�?? pervaded the state�??s election system in 2004.�?? David Cobb-former green party’s 2004 presidential nominee[/quote]

That’s it? Where is the proof of above statements?

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[quote]Inner Hulk wrote:
pat wrote:
Iron Dwarf wrote:

  • The Diebold CEO wrote a letter to the RNC in which he promised to “do everything possible” to ensure Bush’s election in 2001. His machines, which dominated eVoting across the country, were reported to be switching Gore votes to Bush votes in many key precincts.

  • Black Box Voting discovered that there was a simple two-stroke command buried inside Diebold’s programming that was a back door into Diebold’s computers which would allow someone to switch whole vote totals from one side to the other.

  • It was Republican officials in Florida - Jeb Bush and Katherine Harris - who ordered ChoicePoint NOT to correct their highly inaccurate felon list, a list that prevented hundreds of African-Americans - a heavily Democratic voting bloc - from voting at all.

  • It was Republican election officials in Ohio in '04 who put thousands of paper ballots into the back of a station wagon and drove off with them so they couldn’t be counted, ballots that later turned out to be from heavily Democratic districts.

You will of course need to provide sources for this info since this is news to most of us. Those are accusations that carry heavy prison sentences and all surely the mainstream, being heavily liberal and all would have picked up on those tasty morsels you delivered.
“I am committed to helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes to the president.”…oops!
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/07/28/sunday/main632436.shtml

Diebold’s sloppy and malfunctioning machines…
http://www.usatoday.com/tech/columnist/andrewkantor/2003-12-05-kantor_x.htm

"�??Democratic politicians, including Barack Obama, are as unwilling as Republicans to discuss the threat of another stolen election, even though such irregularities cost them the last two presidential races,�?? said David Cobb. �??The major media are also ignoring the topic, despite overwhelming evidence, including the Conyers Commission�??s findings, the conviction of two Republican election officials in Cuyahoga County, Ohio, for their role in tampering with the 2004 recount, and a 2007 Ohio study finding �??critical security failures�?? pervaded the state�??s election system in 2004.�?? David Cobb-former green party’s 2004 presidential nominee[/quote]

That was weak. Where is the great republican theft of the elections?

The good news is if the republicans are so good at election rigging we won’t have to worry about obama soiling the oval office. It’s in the bag. Then McCain/Palin can keep the seat warm until the RainJack/pat ticket takes over and brings the real shit.

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Can you all take a break from being pretend internet fact-checkers to explain to me how voter registration fraud can result in voter fraud?

If I work for ACORN and fill out 1,000 fake voter registration forms, that doesn’t mean that 1,000 fake people are going to show up and vote, right? I’m not trying to excuse anybody, it’s still illegal and should be taken seriously, but I don’t see any danger to the electoral process.

It seems to me, if you look at the election process, the real danger lies in the vote counting, not the vote casting. And that tends to lead you to the people who have power over the elections, such as Attorneys General, Election Board officials, etc, and their party affiliations.

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[quote]swordthrower wrote:
Can you all take a break from being pretend internet fact-checkers to explain to me how voter registration fraud can result in voter fraud?

If I work for ACORN and fill out 1,000 fake voter registration forms, that doesn’t mean that 1,000 fake people are going to show up and vote, right? I’m not trying to excuse anybody, it’s still illegal and should be taken seriously, but I don’t see any danger to the electoral process.

It seems to me, if you look at the election process, the real danger lies in the vote counting, not the vote casting. And that tends to lead you to the people who have power over the elections, such as Attorneys General, Election Board officials, etc, and their party affiliations.[/quote]

As I understand it, a single voter can show up multiple times to vote for the same candidate under different names. But yeah, actually processing/counting the votes is a huge problem too - there was an NPR piece this morning about the new voting machines in Florida, and how they recently went beserk during a local election with far less participants.

It’s hard to believe, but since the “hanging chad” affair we don’t seem to have made much progress in this regard.

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[quote]swordthrower wrote:
Can you all take a break from being pretend internet fact-checkers to explain to me how voter registration fraud can result in voter fraud?

If I work for ACORN and fill out 1,000 fake voter registration forms, that doesn’t mean that 1,000 fake people are going to show up and vote, right? I’m not trying to excuse anybody, it’s still illegal and should be taken seriously, but I don’t see any danger to the electoral process.

It seems to me, if you look at the election process, the real danger lies in the vote counting, not the vote casting. And that tends to lead you to the people who have power over the elections, such as Attorneys General, Election Board officials, etc, and their party affiliations.[/quote]

I was thinking the same thing. Don’t they have to show an ID to vote? And I am guessing that the USA doesn’t do things like non-removable ink stamps on your hand to show that you have voted once already? (they come off in a few days).

From what I have read, ACORN has to turn over all voter registration forms, fake or not. They can’t just keep the fake ones. They are supposed to add cover sheets to the ones that are fake.

But we will make a HUGE fucking deal out of this, despite the non-existent problem (go ahead, how many cases of voter fraud can you find, you know, people being prosecuted for voting twice, or under a false name).

But the GOP gets to push for striking people from the voter roles, LEGITIMATE voters. Voter suppression is a much greater problem than voter fraud.

Go find another strawman to cry about.

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http://truthaboutfraud.org/

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[quote]Ren wrote:
http://truthaboutfraud.org/ [/quote]

To think voter registration fraud is not a gateway to voter fraud is just idiocy.

Stop voter registration fraud, and you can better control voter fraud.

I would really like to understand the logic behind thinking fraudulently registering voters is not a problem.

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[quote]dhickey wrote:
Inner Hulk wrote:
pat wrote:
Iron Dwarf wrote:

  • The Diebold CEO wrote a letter to the RNC in which he promised to “do everything possible” to ensure Bush’s election in 2001. His machines, which dominated eVoting across the country, were reported to be switching Gore votes to Bush votes in many key precincts.

  • Black Box Voting discovered that there was a simple two-stroke command buried inside Diebold’s programming that was a back door into Diebold’s computers which would allow someone to switch whole vote totals from one side to the other.

  • It was Republican officials in Florida - Jeb Bush and Katherine Harris - who ordered ChoicePoint NOT to correct their highly inaccurate felon list, a list that prevented hundreds of African-Americans - a heavily Democratic voting bloc - from voting at all.

  • It was Republican election officials in Ohio in '04 who put thousands of paper ballots into the back of a station wagon and drove off with them so they couldn’t be counted, ballots that later turned out to be from heavily Democratic districts.

You will of course need to provide sources for this info since this is news to most of us. Those are accusations that carry heavy prison sentences and all surely the mainstream, being heavily liberal and all would have picked up on those tasty morsels you delivered.

“I am committed to helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes to the president.”…oops!
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/07/28/sunday/main632436.shtml

Diebold’s sloppy and malfunctioning machines…
http://www.usatoday.com/tech/columnist/andrewkantor/2003-12-05-kantor_x.htm

"�??Democratic politicians, including Barack Obama, are as unwilling as Republicans to discuss the threat of another stolen election, even though such irregularities cost them the last two presidential races,�?? said David Cobb.

�??The major media are also ignoring the topic, despite overwhelming evidence, including the Conyers Commission�??s findings, the conviction of two Republican election officials in Cuyahoga County, Ohio, for their role in tampering with the 2004 recount, and a 2007 Ohio study finding �??critical security failures�?? pervaded the state�??s election system in 2004.�?? David Cobb-former green party’s 2004 presidential nominee

That’s it? Where is the proof of above statements?[/quote]

You must be one of the stupidest and dumbest fucking morons to grace this forum. I proved two of the above four statements, the other 2 were hard to find ‘credible’ sources.

Besides that, you assholes act like high speed internet isn’t at your fingertips and that Googling takes the life out of you people.

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[quote]pat wrote:
Inner Hulk wrote:
pat wrote:
Iron Dwarf wrote:

  • The Diebold CEO wrote a letter to the RNC in which he promised to “do everything possible” to ensure Bush’s election in 2001. His machines, which dominated eVoting across the country, were reported to be switching Gore votes to Bush votes in many key precincts.

  • Black Box Voting discovered that there was a simple two-stroke command buried inside Diebold’s programming that was a back door into Diebold’s computers which would allow someone to switch whole vote totals from one side to the other.

  • It was Republican officials in Florida - Jeb Bush and Katherine Harris - who ordered ChoicePoint NOT to correct their highly inaccurate felon list, a list that prevented hundreds of African-Americans - a heavily Democratic voting bloc - from voting at all.

  • It was Republican election officials in Ohio in '04 who put thousands of paper ballots into the back of a station wagon and drove off with them so they couldn’t be counted, ballots that later turned out to be from heavily Democratic districts.

You will of course need to provide sources for this info since this is news to most of us. Those are accusations that carry heavy prison sentences and all surely the mainstream, being heavily liberal and all would have picked up on those tasty morsels you delivered.

“I am committed to helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes to the president.”…oops!
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/07/28/sunday/main632436.shtml

Diebold’s sloppy and malfunctioning machines…
http://www.usatoday.com/tech/columnist/andrewkantor/2003-12-05-kantor_x.htm

"�??Democratic politicians, including Barack Obama, are as unwilling as Republicans to discuss the threat of another stolen election, even though such irregularities cost them the last two presidential races,�?? said David Cobb.

�??The major media are also ignoring the topic, despite overwhelming evidence, including the Conyers Commission�??s findings, the conviction of two Republican election officials in Cuyahoga County, Ohio, for their role in tampering with the 2004 recount,

And a 2007 Ohio study finding �??critical security failures�?? pervaded the state�??s election system in 2004.�?? David Cobb-former green party’s 2004 presidential nominee

That was weak. Where is the great republican theft of the elections?

The good news is if the republicans are so good at election rigging we won’t have to worry about obama soiling the oval office. It’s in the bag. Then McCain/Palin can keep the seat warm until the RainJack/pat ticket takes over and brings the real shit.[/quote]

You’re so fucking full of shit it makes me sick.

If Obama had a Diebold CEO say that he would do everything to help him win a swing state, and then in the election he did win that crucial state which put him over the top, you right wing faggots would be shitting a brick the size of a boulder.

All’s fair so long as it’s your party indulging in shady shit.

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By law, most states require that any voter registration given to campaign worker, or a worker for an organization like Acorn, must be turned in to a state or county election official.

Rather than complaining, I urge anyone on this forum to get involved and register voters. Voting is the cornerstone of our democracy. Voting lists are constantly changing. The view of this from the street is different from the view in Fox News. When you are the volunteer, if a young woman who looks like a high school senior tells you she will be 18 by election day, you accept her form. You do not ask for ID, you don’t challenge her for a birth certificate, you don’t giggle if she has the same name as a celebrity, you just take the form and say, ‘Thank you, I hope to see you on election day’.

Even if the registration is apparently fraudulent, it is up to the election officials to make that judgment. As I understand this case, it was ACORN that identified the odd registrations when they turned them in. So ACORN not only followed the law, they assisted the state officials by identifying the suspicious forms.

In any event, there is no allegation of voter fraud, but voter registration fraud. In the entire US, there have only been a few scores of allegations of voter fraud, and only 6 convictions in the last election cycle (of 178 million registered voters). Voter fraud is not widespread and it is not going to alter the election.

The numbers are from Greg Palast, who is certainly biased, but he is also a careful investigative journalist.

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Now journeyman…

Why did you want to go screw up a perfectly good conspiracy thread with both facts and reason?

DAMN you journeyman! DAMN YOU!

Mufasa

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[quote]Inner Hulk wrote:
dhickey wrote:
Inner Hulk wrote:
pat wrote:
Iron Dwarf wrote:

  • The Diebold CEO wrote a letter to the RNC in which he promised to “do everything possible” to ensure Bush’s election in 2001. His machines, which dominated eVoting across the country, were reported to be switching Gore votes to Bush votes in many key precincts.

  • Black Box Voting discovered that there was a simple two-stroke command buried inside Diebold’s programming that was a back door into Diebold’s computers which would allow someone to switch whole vote totals from one side to the other.

  • It was Republican officials in Florida - Jeb Bush and Katherine Harris - who ordered ChoicePoint NOT to correct their highly inaccurate felon list, a list that prevented hundreds of African-Americans - a heavily Democratic voting bloc - from voting at all.

  • It was Republican election officials in Ohio in '04 who put thousands of paper ballots into the back of a station wagon and drove off with them so they couldn’t be counted, ballots that later turned out to be from heavily Democratic districts.

You will of course need to provide sources for this info since this is news to most of us. Those are accusations that carry heavy prison sentences and all surely the mainstream, being heavily liberal and all would have picked up on those tasty morsels you delivered.

“I am committed to helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes to the president.”…oops!
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/07/28/sunday/main632436.shtml

Diebold’s sloppy and malfunctioning machines…
http://www.usatoday.com/tech/columnist/andrewkantor/2003-12-05-kantor_x.htm

"�??Democratic politicians, including Barack Obama, are as unwilling as Republicans to discuss the threat of another stolen election, even though such irregularities cost them the last two presidential races,�?? said David Cobb.

�??The major media are also ignoring the topic, despite overwhelming evidence, including the Conyers Commission�??s findings, the conviction of two Republican election officials in Cuyahoga County, Ohio, for their role in tampering with the 2004 recount, and a 2007 Ohio study finding �??critical security failures�?? pervaded the state�??s election system in 2004.�?? David Cobb-former green party’s 2004 presidential nominee

That’s it? Where is the proof of above statements?

You must be one of the stupidest and dumbest fucking morons to grace this forum. I proved two of the above four statements, the other 2 were hard to find ‘credible’ sources.

Besides that, you assholes act like high speed internet isn’t at your fingertips and that Googling takes the life out of you people.[/quote]

You posted statements you pulled out of your ass. You still haven’t provided any information that shows any election was purposely stolen. You can hurl insults to try distract from your ridiculous post and failure to back it up, but nobody here is buying it. At the rate you’re going no one will even be responding to your posts in a few weeks. good job junior.

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[quote]Ren wrote:
swordthrower wrote:
Can you all take a break from being pretend internet fact-checkers to explain to me how voter registration fraud can result in voter fraud?
[/quote]
The problem is find the phony registrations from people plan on voting. Will this be easier or harder with hundreds of thousands of other fraudulent registrations? Boy, that was kind of easy.’

then why have registrations at all?

You really need to think about this much more. GWB won OH by very few votes. You steal a couple of counties and we have a diffent president. The have already had people from other states voting in OH. I don’t care if your liberal or conservative, you should be very worried about voter fraud. The only people that don’t care are those that are confident their party is stealing the election.

Depends, don’t alway have to show ID. Liberals think that is suppressing the vote.

You think they are doing that? Why not address people filling out the hundreds of thousands of phony ones?

Don’t you read the news? This is already happened in OH.

How so. What votes are being suppressed. You demand explaination of voter regristration fraud and then just throw this out there. Nice one.

[quote]
Go find another strawman to cry about.[/quote]
Try posting something intellegent.

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[quote]dhickey wrote:
Inner Hulk wrote:
dhickey wrote:
Inner Hulk wrote:
pat wrote:
Iron Dwarf wrote:

  • The Diebold CEO wrote a letter to the RNC in which he promised to “do everything possible” to ensure Bush’s election in 2001. His machines, which dominated eVoting across the country, were reported to be switching Gore votes to Bush votes in many key precincts.

  • Black Box Voting discovered that there was a simple two-stroke command buried inside Diebold’s programming that was a back door into Diebold’s computers which would allow someone to switch whole vote totals from one side to the other.

  • It was Republican officials in Florida - Jeb Bush and Katherine Harris - who ordered ChoicePoint NOT to correct their highly inaccurate felon list, a list that prevented hundreds of African-Americans - a heavily Democratic voting bloc - from voting at all.

  • It was Republican election officials in Ohio in '04 who put thousands of paper ballots into the back of a station wagon and drove off with them so they couldn’t be counted, ballots that later turned out to be from heavily Democratic districts.

You will of course need to provide sources for this info since this is news to most of us. Those are accusations that carry heavy prison sentences and all surely the mainstream, being heavily liberal and all would have picked up on those tasty morsels you delivered.

“I am committed to helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes to the president.”…oops!
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/07/28/sunday/main632436.shtml

Diebold’s sloppy and malfunctioning machines…
http://www.usatoday.com/tech/columnist/andrewkantor/2003-12-05-kantor_x.htm

"�??Democratic politicians, including Barack Obama, are as unwilling as Republicans to discuss the threat of another stolen election, even though such irregularities cost them the last two presidential races,�?? said David Cobb.

�??The major media are also ignoring the topic, despite overwhelming evidence, including the Conyers Commission�??s findings, the conviction of two Republican election officials in Cuyahoga County, Ohio, for their role in tampering with the 2004 recount, and a 2007 Ohio study finding �??critical security failures�?? pervaded the state�??s election system in 2004.�?? David Cobb-former green party’s 2004 presidential nominee

That’s it? Where is the proof of above statements?

You must be one of the stupidest and dumbest fucking morons to grace this forum. I proved two of the above four statements, the other 2 were hard to find ‘credible’ sources.

Besides that, you assholes act like high speed internet isn’t at your fingertips and that Googling takes the life out of you people.

You posted statements you pulled out of your ass. You still haven’t provided any information that shows any election was purposely stolen. You can hurl insults to try distract from your ridiculous post and failure to back it up, but nobody here is buying it. At the rate you’re going no one will even be responding to your posts in a few weeks. good job junior.[/quote]
First of all, I didn’t post the 4 bullet statements, idiot.

Secondly, you said to prove the statements that the guy posted, so I prove two, and then you disregard them as if they were irrelevant. Why ask to have them proved then in the first place?

Oh no, what ever would I do if Dhickey the pseudo-intellect of T-Nation’s political forum would not respond to my posts? I think I’d curl up and die.

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…and the killer part of it all? If you challenge any of this you’re simply a racist. That seems to be the answer to everything for the left. [quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
katzenjammer wrote:

  • Dauphin County: Dauphin County (the location of the state capital) District Attorney Marsico said the situation was so bad in Harrisburg that one ACORN worker is now being sought by authorities for submitting more than 100 fraudulent voter registration forms. The charge is 19 counts of perjury. One Harrisburg lobbyist, a voter for 30 years, had received notification she had recently filled out a registration form. The lobbyist went straight to the DA with her complaint. Marsico said that what was happening with ACORN “affects the integrity of the process” and that the volume of phony registrations made him “sure that others are going on” that have been undetected.

This is where I live. I was in Harrisburg for a big end of summer festival on labor day and these clowns were everywhere trying to get certain types of people to register to vote. I was watching them and they NEVER approached a white clean cut adult male.

This whole thing is so fucking outrageous and there is no outcry.

For the first time on about 100 years my county has more registered Dems than Republicans and fraud is the only workable explanation.[/quote]

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[quote]Journeyman wrote:
By law, most states require that any voter registration given to campaign worker, or a worker for an organization like Acorn, must be turned in to a state or county election official.

Rather than complaining, I urge anyone on this forum to get involved and register voters. Voting is the cornerstone of our democracy. Voting lists are constantly changing. The view of this from the street is different from the view in Fox News. When you are the volunteer, if a young woman who looks like a high school senior tells you she will be 18 by election day, you accept her form. You do not ask for ID, you don’t challenge her for a birth certificate, you don’t giggle if she has the same name as a celebrity, you just take the form and say, ‘Thank you, I hope to see you on election day’.
[/quote]

Are you completely retarded. This is not what’s happening. They are tuning in HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of these things. They are under investigation by the FBI is several states. They are hiding computers that the FBI wants. Give me a fucking break.

Second point. voting is not the cornerstone of our “democracy”. Educated voting is. Registering voters that had no prior interest in elections is a fucking farce. They are just trying to pad their votes. Uneducated voting is why our gov’t is such a fucking mess. No one should be able to vote for a candidate. They should make them vote on issues and then tally the vote for the candidate that best fits. This is a retarded solution, but so is what we have now for gov’t servants.

Not in every state. That is what the FBI is investaging. Now we have state officials that don’t want to through them either. Beautiful.

What does 6 convictions show? They haven’t caught that many becuase is near impossible to catch. How do you catch the tens of thousands of dead people that vote every year? How about fake names and social security numbers. How do you track them down. You need to look at the voting processes in some states and tell me it’s not incredibly easy to cheat. You are really pretty dim.

[quote]
The numbers are from Greg Palast, who is certainly biased, but he is also a careful investigative journalist.[/quote]
Please. Find anohter source.

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[quote]pat wrote:
MrRezister wrote:
I doubt that Obama has any direct ties to this “fake voter drive”, but I do think this is a great reason why ACORN should NOT be a beneficiary of the recent bailout plan. I think they get something like 4% right? Depending upon who is asked, they may have stood to get 20% in the original bill.

That is fucking bullshit! They should not get a fucking penny. the bail up is to help the economy not to prop up radical fringe groups!

I don’t think he has direct ties to the corruption either. But he contributed to them and they contributed to him. Futher, lets not be naive, we know who the fraudulent voters were going to vote for. Imagine the scandal if those were the votes that put him over the hump![/quote]

Yes we all know that fictional characters like “Ray’s Pizza” and “Mr. Donald D. Duck” would certainly be voting for Obama.

But since non-existing people will be casting non-existant votes on Nov. 4 having a net effect of zero on this election why don’t we move our focus from one fake issue (voter fraud) to some other fake issue?

(But yes IMAGINE THE SCANDAL(!) if “Angie’s Sub Sandwiches” cast the winning ballot for Obama.—hilarious)

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[quote]dhickey wrote:

How so. What votes are being suppressed. You demand explaination of voter regristration fraud and then just throw this out there. Nice one.

[/quote]

http://www.alternet.org/blogs/democracy/98702/gop_voter_suppression_comes_to_wisconsin/

http://www.thenation.com/blogs/campaignmatters/372992/gop_busted_for_voter_suppression

There.

If voter fraud was such a big deal, maybe the whole system needs to be overhauled? The only other places I see people complaining about this kind of stuff is 3rd world countries and places run by “elected dictators.”

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Since no ID is required to vote it should be pretty easy to have a group of people vote in every district under fictional names as long as they are registered under those names.

The phony registration is only the first part of the fraud.

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Just for the record, from what I can tell, these appear to be the only states requiring photo ID to vote:

Florida
Georgia
Hawaii
Indiana
Louisiana
Michigan
South Dakota

There was a case before the Supreme Court regarding voter ID laws - anyone know what happened?