Does it matter if he is a Muslim? I honestly don’t care, there are better reasons to vote against him than this bullshit.
[quote]AynRandLuvr wrote:
jlesk68 wrote:
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That is a great pic! Serious.
Obama IS a Muslim. Why are the American people even taking a chance on this guy? His daddy, whom Barack adores, was a Kenyan Muslim commie!
I don’t care too much for McCain but to choose this guy over a man with McCain’s creds is simply unimaginable to me. Hell, for all we know he could be an Al-Qaeda operative! Who ever heard of this guy before 9/11?
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Make the socialist allegations all you want but it’s ridiculous to hate on someone for their religion.
[quote]AssOnGrass wrote:
Make the socialist allegations all you want but it’s ridiculous to hate on someone for their religion.[/quote]
Very true. If you don’t like Obama, either come out and say you don’t want the White House to be a Black House.
OR, if that’s not your reason pull out all the bad policies and obfustication (which isn’t even a word) of issues.
Who is hating on him for his religion?
Why does he deny he was born a Muslim? He seems to be the one ashamed. I don’t really give a shit, I just find it telling he is willing to lie about something so trivial.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Who is hating on him for his religion?
Why does he deny he was born a Muslim? He seems to be the one ashamed. I don’t really give a shit, I just find it telling he is willing to lie about something so trivial.[/quote]
Ah. Fair enough.
[quote]Makavali wrote:
Very true. If you don’t like Obama, either come out and say you don’t want the White House to be a Black House.
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Sorry to hijack, but that reminded me of that hilarious Dave Chapelle routine a few years back.
http://www.comedycentral.com/videos/index.jhtml?videoId=11923&title=black-bush
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
Sorry to hijack, but that reminded me of that hilarious Dave Chapelle routine a few years back.
http://www.comedycentral.com/videos/index.jhtml?videoId=11923&title=black-bush
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Do you know what the f*ck you can do… with an aluminum tube?
ALUMINUM!
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Who is hating on him for his religion?
Why does he deny he was born a Muslim? He seems to be the one ashamed. I don’t really give a shit, I just find it telling he is willing to lie about something so trivial.[/quote]
I wasn’t really calling out you in particular.
Is it really a lie though?
If you are born to a catholic mother and a protestant father you aren’t born either of those religions. Just because his father is Muslim doesn’t mean he was ever Muslim. Does he deny that his father was Muslim?
If he denies that then I can see your point.
It’s all just a stupid game of semantics.
[quote]AssOnGrass wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Who is hating on him for his religion?
Why does he deny he was born a Muslim? He seems to be the one ashamed. I don’t really give a shit, I just find it telling he is willing to lie about something so trivial.
I wasn’t really calling out you in particular.
Is it really a lie though?
If you are born to a catholic mother and a protestant father you aren’t born either of those religions. Just because his father is Muslim doesn’t mean he was ever Muslim. Does he deny that his father was Muslim?
If he denies that then I can see your point.
It’s all just a stupid game of semantics.[/quote]
According to Islamic law being born to a Muslim father makes you a Muslim. As far as I can tell he did not become a Christian until he was baptized as an adult.
It really doesn’t matter what he did in between but I find it amazing that people deny this reality.
[quote]AssOnGrass wrote:
If you are born to a catholic mother and a protestant father you aren’t born either of those religions. Just because his father is Muslim doesn’t mean he was ever Muslim. Does he deny that his father was Muslim?
If he denies that then I can see your point.
It’s all just a stupid game of semantics.[/quote]
I’m not anti-semantic. Some of my best friends are words.
This may be of interest. Either Obama is lying, or a whole shitload of people who knew him are lying.
[i]Obama asserted in December, “I’ve always been a Christian,” and he has adamantly denied ever having been a Muslim. "The only connection I’ve had to Islam is that my grandfather on my father’s side came from that country [Kenya].
But I’ve never practiced Islam." In February, he claimed: “I have never been a Muslim. �?� other than my name and the fact that I lived in a populous Muslim country for 4 years when I was a child [Indonesia, 1967-71] I have very little connection to the Islamic religion.”
“Always” and “never” leave little room for equivocation. But many biographical facts, culled mainly from the American press, suggest that, when growing up, the Democratic candidate for president both saw himself and was seen as a Muslim.
Obama’s Kenyan birth father: In Islam, religion passes from the father to the child. Barack Hussein Obama, Sr. (1936�??1982) was a Muslim who named his boy Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. Only Muslim children are named “Hussein”.
Obama’s Indonesian family: His stepfather, Lolo Soetoro, was also a Muslim. In fact, as Obama’s half-sister, Maya Soetoro-Ng explained to Jodi Kantor of the New York Times: “My whole family was Muslim, and most of the people I knew were Muslim.”
An Indonesian publication, the Banjarmasin Post reports a former classmate, Rony Amir, recalling that “All the relatives of Barry’s father were very devout Muslims.”
The Catholic school: Nedra Pickler of the Associated Press reports that “documents showed he enrolled as a Muslim” while at a Catholic school during first through third grades.
Kim Barker of the Chicago Tribune confirms that Obama was "listed as a Muslim on the registration form for the Catholic school.
" A blogger who goes by “An American Expat in Southeast Asia” found that “Barack Hussein Obama was registered under the name �??Barry Soetoro’ serial number 203 and entered the Franciscan Asisi Primary School on 1 January 1968 and sat in class 1B. �?� Barry’s religion was listed as Islam.”
The public school: Paul Watson of the Los Angeles Times learned from Indonesians familiar with Obama when he lived in Jakarta that he “was registered by his family as a Muslim at both schools he attended.”
Haroon Siddiqui of the Toronto Star visited the Jakarta public school Obama attended and found that “Three of his teachers have said he was enrolled as a Muslim.”
Although Siddiqui cautions that “With the school records missing, eaten by bugs, one has to rely on people’s shifting memories,” he cites only one retired teacher, Tine Hahiyari, retracting her earlier certainty about Obama’s being registered as a Muslim.
Koran class: In his autobiography, Dreams of My Father, Obama relates how he got into trouble for making faces during Koranic studies, thereby revealing he was a Muslim, for Indonesian students in his day attended religious classes according to their faith.
Indeed, Obama still retains knowledge from that class: Nicholas D. Kristof of the New York Times, reports that Obama “recalled the opening lines of the Arabic call to prayer, reciting them [to Kristof] with a first-rate accent.”
Mosque attendance: Obama’s half-sister recalled that the family attended the mosque “for big communal events.” Watson learned from childhood friends that “Obama sometimes went to Friday prayers at the local mosque.”
Barker found that “Obama occasionally followed his stepfather to the mosque for Friday prayers.” One Indonesia friend, Zulfin Adi, states that Obama “was Muslim. He went to the mosque. I remember him wearing a sarong” (a garment associated with Muslims).
Piety: Obama himself says that while living in Indonesia, a Muslim country, he “didn’t practice [Islam],” implicitly acknowledging a Muslim identity. Indonesians differ in their memories of him. One, Rony Amir, describes Obama as “previously quite religious in Islam.”[/i]
Nice post Varq. it really shouldn’t matter in what religion he was born and raised, he obviously had no say. It bothers me that he lies about it. One of many things that bother me.
C’mon, guys; PLEASE tell me you are just doing a lot of Political Masturbating.
In the Political Climate we are in, is Obama supposed to scream out his Muslim Heritage,( maybe in a TV AD?) while at the same time telling us all is recognition of Islamic Law?
Is McCain supposed to bring up leaving a disabled wife and children for a Beer Heiress he began an affair with; and who had her employees write illegal prescriptions for pain killers she had become addicted to at about the same time he was being investigated for tampering with the regulations involving Savings and Loans?
The answer is “NO”, “NO”, and “HELL no”.
Let it go.
Mufasa
[quote]Mufasa wrote:
C’mon, guys; PLEASE tell me you are just doing a lot of Political Masturbating.
In the Political Climate we are in, is Obama supposed to scream out his Muslim Heritage,( maybe in a TV AD?) while at the same time telling us all is recognition of Islamic Law?
Is McCain supposed to bring up leaving a disabled wife and children for a Beer Heiress he began an affair with; and who had her employees write illegal prescriptions for pain killers she had become addicted to at about the same time he was being investigated for tampering with the regulations involving Savings and Loans?
The answer is “NO”, “NO”, and “HELL no”.
Let it go.
Mufasa
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You always say what I’m thinking but in a much more effective way.
[quote]Mufasa wrote:
C’mon, guys; PLEASE tell me you are just doing a lot of Political Masturbating.[/quote]
I was just masturbating.
Oh, wrong forum.
[quote]Mufasa wrote:
C’mon, guys; PLEASE tell me you are just doing a lot of Political Masturbating.
In the Political Climate we are in, is Obama supposed to scream out his Muslim Heritage,( maybe in a TV AD?) while at the same time telling us all is recognition of Islamic Law?
Is McCain supposed to bring up leaving a disabled wife and children for a Beer Heiress he began an affair with; and who had her employees write illegal prescriptions for pain killers she had become addicted to at about the same time he was being investigated for tampering with the regulations involving Savings and Loans?
The answer is “NO”, “NO”, and “HELL no”.
Let it go.
Mufasa
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He doesn’t have to bring it up but the denial from him and his supporters is ridiculous.
Let me try this:
Obama is not Muslim.
Obama does not support Islamic Law.
His influences are multi-cultural, NOT ethno-centric. (BIG difference).
He does not hate whites.
He is not racist.
Believer in Big Government?
We can debate this!
Mufasa
At this point in the race, those little tidbits don’t matter. (…although his reference to the 57 states of the USA coincides with the 57 Muslim states).
What matters is that a robin hood socialist can possibly be elected as the next POTUS.
Wow.
Have any of you guys ever run a Political Campaign?
I sure as hell wouldn’t want to run against you!
Mufasa