[quote]lixy wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
We are over-extended…that’s why you should hope we kill all these bastards soon.
The hundreds of thousands you killed already didn’t quench your thirst?
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Hundreds of thousands? The UN says ~ 50,000 Iraqis have died and most of them are at the hands of the terrorists!!!
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
This is why we need Canada’s help. We are spread thin, trying to keep peace in Iraq. All of this crap would end MUCH more quickly if the rest of the world would come on board and stamp out these bastards. [/quote]
Wha??? What about about the Coalition of the Willing? The whole world’s behind us, now!! Bush’s diplomacy is so effective, he really rallied everyone to help out with troops and funds.
Actually, what I meant to say is that George Bush is a fucking idiot who couldn’t effectively manage a ham sandwich.
Exactly right. But President Bush and President Ahmadinejad are like the flip-sides of the same shitty coin. They are both total idiots, and both at odds with the majority of their citizenship. But if either leader was attacked or assasinated, it would ignite even their worst critics at home.
YEAH RIGHT. Where have I heard that bullshit before? Oh yeah, IRAQ. It’ll be a cakewalk, they will greet us with candy and flowers, the reconstruction will pay for itself, blah blah blah.
Same old bullshit!!!
[quote]lixy wrote:
The hundreds of thousands you killed already didn’t quench your thirst?
Whoever gave you that right did a grave mistake.[/quote]
Hundreds of thousands? Thirst? Get a reality.
It’s easy to sit back and criticize as you do absolutely NOTHING to help the situation.
[quote]Rockscar wrote:
lixy wrote:
The hundreds of thousands you killed already didn’t quench your thirst?
Whoever gave you that right did a grave mistake.
Hundreds of thousands? Thirst? Get a reality.
It’s easy to sit back and criticize as you do absolutely NOTHING to help the situation.
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He also does nothing that gets people killed.
It works both ways.
If he had invaded Iraq however, how much money were you willing to bet that he had a better plan than “they will greet us with flowers”.
Empire building without admitting it and consciously building an empire is bullshit.
[quote]Rockscar wrote:
lixy wrote:
The hundreds of thousands you killed already didn’t quench your thirst?
Whoever gave you that right did a grave mistake.
Hundreds of thousands? Thirst? Get a reality.
It’s easy to sit back and criticize as you do absolutely NOTHING to help the situation.
[/quote]
The constant meddling in the Middle East by the U.S. and Israel has caused pain and suffering that I doubt any of us can imagine.
Maybe you should “get a reality”.
Dustin
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Headhunter wrote:
I have nothing against the people of Iran or Iraq btw. From what I’ve read, they’re fine people, the Iranians under the thumb of some serious whackjobs. [/quote]
By the way, I forgot to congratulate you for writing something sensible and perceptive.
You get a cookie.
[quote]orion wrote:
Empire building without admitting it and consciously building an empire is bullshit.[/quote]
Empire building? We don’t want an empire. We are perfectly happy being a democracy. We never even knew where Afghanistan was before 9/11 we were too busy with our own lives then all of a sudden we get attacked. Now we are fighting back and you call it empire building? It is self preservation.
If we lose this war then it will eventually lead to another massive terrorist attack on our soil because that is the terrorists long term goal! Do you really think they are just going to leave us alone after we leave Afghanistan or Iraq? They’re going to bring the fight to our country.
Okay fine maybe some of the iraqis are just fighting what they see as foreign occupation but do you really think that groups like al-queda care about ‘liberating’ the iraqis? Hell no they’re just using it as an excuse to fight American troops and the fact that they kill so many Iraqi civillians with their car bombs proves it.
[quote]40yarddash wrote:
orion wrote:
Empire building without admitting it and consciously building an empire is bullshit.
Empire building? We don’t want an empire. We are perfectly happy being a democracy. We never even knew where Afghanistan was before 9/11 we were too busy with our own lives then all of a sudden we get attacked. Now we are fighting back and you call it empire building? It is self preservation.
If we lose this war then it will eventually lead to another massive terrorist attack on our soil because that is the terrorists long term goal! Do you really think they are just going to leave us alone after we leave Afghanistan or Iraq? They’re going to bring the fight to our country.
Okay fine maybe some of the iraqis are just fighting what they see as foreign occupation but do you really think that groups like al-queda care about ‘liberating’ the iraqis? Hell no they’re just using it as an excuse to fight American troops and the fact that they kill so many Iraqi civillians with their car bombs proves it.[/quote]
Do you really think they’re just gonna leave us alone just b/c we bomb the hell out of some random people that happen to be the same religion as them?
All Iraq is doing is making more young Islamic men more willing to blow themselves up on US soil.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
The time for ‘judging’ is past.[/quote]
Correct. It’s long past due to get out of the Middle East and stop meddling in other peoples’ affairs (and in turn, having them meddle in ours).
[quote]40yarddash wrote:
Empire building? We don’t want an empire. We are perfectly happy being a democracy. We never even knew where Afghanistan was before 9/11 we were too busy with our own lives then all of a sudden we get attacked. Now we are fighting back and you call it empire building? It is self preservation.
If we lose this war then it will eventually lead to another massive terrorist attack on our soil because that is the terrorists long term goal! Do you really think they are just going to leave us alone after we leave Afghanistan or Iraq? They’re going to bring the fight to our country.
Okay fine maybe some of the iraqis are just fighting what they see as foreign occupation but do you really think that groups like al-queda care about ‘liberating’ the iraqis? Hell no they’re just using it as an excuse to fight American troops and the fact that they kill so many Iraqi civillians with their car bombs proves it.[/quote]
What on earth makes you think that being a democratic republic prevents the U.S. from establishing an empire? There’s absolutely nothing, I tell you. Come on - Rome was a republic.
When you claim that “we never even knew where Afghanistan was before 9/11” are you referring to the dumb hicks who vote in this country or the people who actually set the policy? The policy makers certainly knew about Afghanistan prior to 9/11; after all, they armed the Afghan Mujahadeen against the Soviets in the 80’s.
You’ve lost “the war” already because you’re trying to fight a 4th generation conflict using 3rd generation tactics. If you don’t know what the hell that means, type it into Google. Terrorism is conducted by stateless entities, and as such, is a criminal act – not an act of war. The only way to combat it is to understand it’s root causes.
Terrorist extremists exploit legitimate grievances in order to win popular support. Without it, they would be unable to function - any more than an American crime syndicate could be sustained without the compliance of the general public.
Indeed, the Mafia in this country, when it existed in large numbers, was often seen as taking the side of the common man against police corruption and government meddling in private affairs. It, too, exploited common grievances, such as alcohol prohibition. When the 21st Amendment was repealed, the mobsters were no longer able to portray themselves as the defender of the common man.
In time, [non-governmental] organized crime in the U.S. died out. If you want to eliminate terrorism, stop invading other countries, stop fostering coups and revolutions, stop arming various groups and factions (only to make enemies of them later). People living in other countries don’t appreciate this kind of shit.
How would you like it if you woke up one day and you were suddenly unable to buy groceries, if foreign troops were patrolling your neighborhood, imposing curfews, if your power went out or your water stopped running?
We weren’t “minding our own business” before 9/11, for fucks sake.
Goddamn, you aren’t new here. Have you been ignoring every single post that wasn’t written by neocons? Why aren’t you aware that we had troops stationed in well over 100 countries well before 9/11? That Clinton bombed Sudan and attacked Serbia in the 90’s? That every Democratic and Republican administration since WWII has launched similar military conflicts?
This is not new information and it is very common on the net. The argument that the U.S. was minding it’s own business before 9/11 is completely indefensible, from any position. It is as idiotic a claim as anyone could possibly make about U.S. foreign policy, and I am not one of those individuals who considers every neocon argument “stupid by default”.
9/11 was blowback, 9/11 WAS the retaliation. Everything the U.S. did before and since then has been aggression and provocation – this, after all, has been the defining element of U.S. foreign policy since the Spanish-American war.
When people have running water, and food, and police protection, and employment opportunities, and adequate housing, and all the other fixtures of a stable government (not necessarily a democratic one, mind you) the last things on their minds are terrorism, revolution, extremism, and martyrdom.
It takes real shitty living conditions in order for such notions to influence the public at large. And thus it is during times of crisis that extremist groups have come to power. This is the way it has ALWAYS been, throughout history. Again, you’d have to be blind or stupendously ignorant not to see it.
The way to eradicate terrorism is through peace and trade. By trading with other nations, we can help them establish a modern standard of living. Trade takes place in the market, through the voluntary actions of individuals.
Government grants, be they in the form of food, money, clothing, or weapons, are not a legitimate form of trade. State capitalism is NOT capitalism, it is socialism. And socialism may be the biggest catastrophe ever faced by humanity…
You have much to learn. I suggest you start paying heed to the writings of those on this forum who don’t support the empire and it’s war machine.
"Terrorism is conducted by stateless entities, and as such, is a criminal act – not an act of war. The only way to combat it is to understand it’s root causes.
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If you look at statements from ICJ and similar entities, that statement is just plain wrong. Acts of terrorism can indeed BE acts of war. You should put in a year or two with international law before you come with blatantly wrong statements… 
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
lixy wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
We are over-extended…that’s why you should hope we kill all these bastards soon.
The hundreds of thousands you killed already didn’t quench your thirst?
…
Hundreds of thousands? The UN says ~ 50,000 Iraqis have died and most of them are at the hands of the terrorists!!![/quote]
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/article2396031.ece
[quote]lixy wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
We are over-extended…that’s why you should hope we kill all these bastards soon.
The hundreds of thousands you killed already didn’t quench your thirst?
Imagine a world w/o us policing it?
Whoever gave you that right did a grave mistake.[/quote]
How’s the weather there, on the Pakistan-Afghanistan border? Summer is coming but I know the mountains are cooler.
The choice, in 1940, was for either Hitler’s Germany and the Japanese to run the world, or us. Britain chose us. Blame them.
[quote]Adamsson wrote:
If you look at statements from ICJ and similar entities, that statement is just plain wrong. Acts of terrorism can indeed BE acts of war. You should put in a year or two with international law before you come with blatantly wrong statements…
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Blatantly wrong? I speak from the vantage point of social philosophy and natural law, not man-made fiction.
And you even cite the Hague as an authority on this issue? The world-famous kangaroo court responsible for retroactively justifying Clinton’s war of aggression in the Balkans? Ha…
[quote]Rockscar wrote:
lixy wrote:
The hundreds of thousands you killed already didn’t quench your thirst?
Whoever gave you that right did a grave mistake.
Hundreds of thousands? Thirst? Get a reality.
It’s easy to sit back and criticize as you do absolutely NOTHING to help the situation.
[/quote]
lixy’s goals are not our goals. He has stated on this forum he does not believe in the laws of man, only of god. Since he is a Muslim I interpreted this to be Sharia law.
[quote]orion wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
lixy wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
We are over-extended…that’s why you should hope we kill all these bastards soon.
The hundreds of thousands you killed already didn’t quench your thirst?
…
Hundreds of thousands? The UN says ~ 50,000 Iraqis have died and most of them are at the hands of the terrorists!!!
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/article2396031.ece[/quote]
It is utter bullshit. It would mean over 400 people died every single day.
Perhaps if they count the non war casualties, old age, disease, pet deaths, dead rats and cockroaches it is accurate but otherwise the 600,000 figure is a joke.
Anyone that spreads these lies should be exposed as a liar and their purposes should be questioned.
[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:
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Blatantly wrong? I speak from the vantage point of social philosophy and natural law, not man-made fiction.
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“Social philosophy” is a man made fiction.
[quote]rugbyhit wrote:
Beowolf wrote:
You like to make references to the army of Rome, right HH?
Ever read anything saying they over-extended themselves a bit?
I dont think we need to occupy. If the US truly unleashed its full power in any region world wide, with no intentions of occupying or Marshalling/rebuilding, but just to eliminate threat, there would be no over-extending. [/quote]
Bingo.
I wish we could pull the string.
Designed with Islamic Extremists in mind:
"The fires of Hell are real and eternal, Pope warnsRichard Owen in Rome
Hell is a place where sinners really do burn in an everlasting fire, and not just a religious symbol designed to galvanise the faithful, the Pope has said.
Addressing a parish gathering in a northern suburb of Rome, Benedict XVI said that in the modern world many people, including some believers, had forgotten that if they failed to ?admit blame and promise to sin no more?, they risked ?eternal damnation ? the Inferno?.
Hell ?really exists and is eternal, even if nobody talks about it much any more?, he said."
[quote]orion wrote:
Rockscar wrote:
lixy wrote:
The hundreds of thousands you killed already didn’t quench your thirst?
Whoever gave you that right did a grave mistake.
Hundreds of thousands? Thirst? Get a reality.
It’s easy to sit back and criticize as you do absolutely NOTHING to help the situation.
He also does nothing that gets people killed.
It works both ways.
If he had invaded Iraq however, how much money were you willing to bet that he had a better plan than “they will greet us with flowers”.
Empire building without admitting it and consciously building an empire is bullshit.[/quote]
I don’t see any of these other european countries or otherwise contributing to any solution do you?..other than complaining, do something dammit.