Paging Dr. Thunder,
We have a runaway propagandist on our hands.
Please deal with this pest.
Thanks in advance,
JeffR
[quote]JeffR wrote:
Paging Dr. Thunder,
We have a runaway propagandist on our hands.
Please deal with this pest.
Thanks in advance,
JeffR[/quote]
Why is it everyone that disagrees with your point of view is a propagandist, or troll?
I was asked repeatedly for backup, and I provided some. Now when I provide backup I am a runaway propagandist? You conservatives are unbelievable.
[quote]petedacook wrote:
JeffR wrote:
Paging Dr. Thunder,
We have a runaway propagandist on our hands.
Please deal with this pest.
Thanks in advance,
JeffR
Why is it everyone that disagrees with your point of view is a propagandist, or troll?
I was asked repeatedly for backup, and I provided some. Now when I provide backup I am a runaway propagandist? You conservatives are unbelievable. [/quote]
petey,
You are the wrong example. If you think you are being dismissed because you disagree with me, you are sadly mistaken.
You are being dismissed because you are a mouthpiece (and not a clever one at that).
Those things you quoted are about to be slapped down quite hard.
I’m just stepping aside to allow the master to go to work.
There is a storm coming. Listen for the Thunder.
JeffR
Gentleman we all live in the same world, one which is never going to improve if we all focus on who is right and who is wrong; isn’t it specific issues that are important for us to debate and learn from?
Your first inclination to ignore this post was a good one so from now on remember “always go with your gut”. Now can we just give this thread a rest and walk away from it?
Yeh, it’s no surprise I’m libertarian, but wouldn’t you all agree that debating specific issues would serve an actual purpose as opposed to participating in a hate fueled feeding frenzy? You’re all better than this so don’t prove me wrong.
Pete you went about this in a most undignified manner so what were you expecting? Pick an issue like this alleged beating that occurred if you must, post the facts along with your thoughts on where US officials or police went wrong and go from there…everyone else stop responding to these pot stirrers and focus on something productive.
I even made a conscious effort not to drop a bunch of f-bombs that were going off in my head so if I can do that anything is possible; hell, I’m going to give myself a fucking pat on the back just for that.
[quote]Mick28 wrote:
Petedacook wrote:
Did you want more?
Yes, and preferably you might throw in at least one that is a lie.
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laughing I know, this is like when I was a kid and that Alanis Morisette song “Ironic” came out. Only one or two things she said in the whole song were actually ironic. Pissed me off when I was a kid, but this stuff from Pete is kinda fun, and I don’t even like Bush. There are tons of reasons to dislike the guy, why post lies?
mike
[quote]Petedacook wrote:
Look up the meaning of the word “children” before you atart spouting nonesense. How can you possibly know anything about politics when you do not know the meaning of a word that you are criticizing the use of?[/quote]
You wouldn’t sound like such a propagandist if you would knock this bullshit off. We all know what children are, we all know why you used the word, you’re not fooling anyone into any sort of moral or intellectual superiority by using the word children and then denigrating people because they don’t know what your version means.
As I said, there are members of the LAPD who are just as young as soldiers serving in Iraq, they get shot and killed in the same manner. Are you going to admit the children oppressed the demonstrators in LA or that the soldiers in Iraq aren’t children?
[quote]Oh yea. Like the National Guard. I forgot about them.
Too bad the National Guard was not like it is today when good ol’boy George dodged the draft by “volunteering” to serve.[/quote]
The deflection could not be more blatant.
We all know the meaning, don’t you find it weird that your meaning is different than everyone else’s and only applies to certain people at certain times regardless of stipulations laid out in the definition?
[quote]Mick28 wrote:
“The British government has learned that Saddam
Hussein recently sought significant quantities of
uranium from Africa.”
[Bush, State of the Union, 1/28/03]
Fact: Bush Administration Knew Claim Was False
No, actually that was the best evidence available at the time. Does that mean that he was lying because he relied upon bad information from his top security advisors?
Oh that’s right you are a left wing nut. Sorry I forgot for a second.[/quote]
IMO, this is the closest to a lie there is and even then, as you said, he could easily trust one agency over another.
What’s funny about it is the man is wildly unpopular, with a democratic congress and nobody will impeach him. Probably because it’s all bogged down in the chaff of political BS people like Pete himself are generating.
If there were one witness to him saying, one tape recording, or one memo with his signature that said anything to the effect of, “I knew there were no weapons and went to war anyway.” then by all means try and convict him. But Pete is too busy trying to build a case against him for the “crime” of allowing the White House to make a backdrop for a warship at a press conference.
Flip-flopping, he’s guilty of, and I don’t like him any more for that, in some regards less, than I liked any of the Democrats he ran against for doing the same (or any politician in history for that matter). Unfortunately, flip-flopping is not an impeachable offense or even a crime.
[quote]Mousse wrote:
Gentleman we all live in the same world, one which is never going to improve if we all focus on who is right and who is wrong; isn’t it specific issues that are important for us to debate and learn from?
Your first inclination to ignore this post was a good one so from now on remember “always go with your gut”. Now can we just give this thread a rest and walk away from it?
Yeh, it’s no surprise I’m libertarian, but wouldn’t you all agree that debating specific issues would serve an actual purpose as opposed to participating in a hate fueled feeding frenzy? You’re all better than this so don’t prove me wrong.
Pete you went about this in a most undignified manner so what were you expecting? Pick an issue like this alleged beating that occurred if you must, post the facts along with your thoughts on where US officials or police went wrong and go from there…everyone else stop responding to these pot stirrers and focus on something productive.
I even made a conscious effort not to drop a bunch of f-bombs that were going off in my head so if I can do that anything is possible; hell, I’m going to give myself a fucking pat on the back just for that. [/quote]
Good post.
I agree with your sentiments to a point.
However, one must realize that there are fringe players: bradley, petey, orion, and lixy, who are so malignant that they go beyond the usual discourse.
Their “ideas” must be strenuously opposed as they are dangerous to the world’s peace and security.
Worse, they disseminate this bile to other simple minded fools who believe it.
One must fight those “ideas” with better ones.
JeffR
[quote]JeffR wrote:
Mousse wrote:
Gentleman we all live in the same world, one which is never going to improve if we all focus on who is right and who is wrong; isn’t it specific issues that are important for us to debate and learn from?
Your first inclination to ignore this post was a good one so from now on remember “always go with your gut”. Now can we just give this thread a rest and walk away from it?
Yeh, it’s no surprise I’m libertarian, but wouldn’t you all agree that debating specific issues would serve an actual purpose as opposed to participating in a hate fueled feeding frenzy? You’re all better than this so don’t prove me wrong.
Pete you went about this in a most undignified manner so what were you expecting? Pick an issue like this alleged beating that occurred if you must, post the facts along with your thoughts on where US officials or police went wrong and go from there…everyone else stop responding to these pot stirrers and focus on something productive.
I even made a conscious effort not to drop a bunch of f-bombs that were going off in my head so if I can do that anything is possible; hell, I’m going to give myself a fucking pat on the back just for that.
Good post.
I agree with your sentiments to a point.
However, one must realize that there are fringe players: bradley, petey, orion, and lixy, who are so malignant that they go beyond the usual discourse.
Their “ideas” must be strenuously opposed as they are dangerous to the world’s peace and security.
Worse, they disseminate this bile to other simple minded fools who believe it.
One must fight those “ideas” with better ones.
JeffR
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que sera sera…good luck
[quote]micromuscle wrote:
Yo gunslinger, I served, and my buddies are serving now, and we were lied to, DUPED, and now our tours are extended. Hey, since you’re a gunslinger, join up! Join my marine corps. and show how approving of the War you are! Come on, badass, and bring your posse![/quote]
How exactly where you duped? Did you join when the occupation was taking place? If the answer is yes then you should have expected to get your ass sent over there.
How where you lied too?
[quote]lucasa wrote:
What’s funny about it is the man is wildly unpopular, with a democratic congress and nobody will impeach him. Probably because it’s all bogged down in the chaff of political BS people like Pete himself are generating.
If there were one witness to him saying, one tape recording, or one memo with his signature that said anything to the effect of, “I knew there were no weapons and went to war anyway.” then by all means try and convict him. But Pete is too busy trying to build a case against him for the “crime” of allowing the White House to make a backdrop for a warship at a press conference.
Flip-flopping, he’s guilty of, and I don’t like him any more for that, in some regards less, than I liked any of the Democrats he ran against for doing the same (or any politician in history for that matter). Unfortunately, flip-flopping is not an impeachable offense or even a crime.[/quote]
Great points.
That’s the thing. If President Bush actually did anything illegal, I guarantee Congress would impeach his ass in a heart-beat. The fact that he hasn’t been impeached, despite all the Deemocratic wailing and gnashing of teeth, proves that he has done nothing wrong and the Dems have no legal grounds to do so.
Being unpopular is not illegal.
And for the record, if there was solid evidence showing he personally knew there were no WMD’s in Iraq, I’d support impeachment.
[quote]Petedacook wrote:
(bunch of stuff)
Did you want more?[/quote]
None of this requires a point-by-pont refutation.
Because even if we take your claims as true - rarely a good idea, but let’s do it for sake of argument - nothing you posted is an example of a [u]lie[/u].
You can dislike Bush all you want, no problem, plenty of reasons to - but I beg you to stop embarrassing yourself with this “Bush lied!!!” hogwash.
Oh, and the pictures of Bush in mid-sentence with a contorted face? What are you, twelve?
Wait - don’t answer that.
[quote]PGJ wrote:
And for the record, if there was solid evidence showing he personally knew there were no WMD’s in Iraq, I’d support impeachment.
[/quote]
Great points, Lucasa and PGJ - and I concur with the above.
Enough with the “Bush lied!” crap - it takes our collective eye off the stuff that really does matter, and that does include stuff Bush has screwed up.
[quote]PGJ wrote:
That’s the thing. If President Bush actually did anything illegal, I guarantee Congress would impeach his ass in a heart-beat. The fact that he hasn’t been impeached, despite all the Deemocratic wailing and gnashing of teeth, proves that he has done nothing wrong and the Dems have no legal grounds to do so.
Being unpopular is not illegal.
And for the record, if there was solid evidence showing he personally knew there were no WMD’s in Iraq, I’d support impeachment.
[/quote]
Not just Dems, the majority of congress. I think you’d need to be a political virtuoso to pull it off effectively, but imagine wanting to run for the Presidency as a conservative/Republican as well as distance yourself and the party from Bush. Pure conjecture and not likely to come to pass but, I could see quite a few Republicans with impeachment schemes as well.
[quote]JeffR wrote:
micromuscle wrote:
If guys like JeffR and his peeps would look through the trees to see the forest, they would be enlightened. Why in the FUCK would Cheney leave his $27 million a year at Halliburton to become second fiddle to the most idiotic Commander in Chief we have ever known? Because of the kick backs, slides under the table, and control of the largest oil production country in the world.
Keep voting for a guy who is “religious” or has “Christian” values… You follow a moron based on his “gut feelings”. Sheep being led to slaughter. Good post Pete!
Hey, micro.
I’m growing pretty fond of you. I see your game. You are just trying to rile us up. You don’t believe what you type.
I have to admit, you had me going.
I was going to ask you to produce a shred of proof that Cheney has or will ever profit from the Iraq invasion. However, I know you were kidding.
You win, you fooled me.
JeffR
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Cheney resigned from his $27 mil/year salary to be Vice-Prez, to a guy that is dumber than a stump. Then, his company gets the oil contract without ANY bidding whatsoever, because they can! If you blindly are a YES man to this administration, you were easy for me to “fool”, fool.
[quote]Mikeyali wrote:
micromuscle wrote:
tGunslinger wrote:
Petedacook wrote:
You asked what children have died before looking up the meaning of the word, not realising children was being appropriately used to reference the offspring of American citizens.
Yet you refuse to acknowledge you were incorrect in your assumption no AMERICAN children have died.
We have not lost any children in the war vs. Iraq. We have lost soldiers, full-grown adults who made the decision to serve in a volunteer army.
This is key point of argument that you cannot gloss over with semantics.
I have not served, but I would bet my left arm that every last soldier fighting in Iraq would take pretty deep offense at your implication that they were innocent children that were duped into fighting.
As for the rest of your political posts, you’re a nut.
Yo gunslinger, I served, and my buddies are serving now, and we were lied to, DUPED, and now our tours are extended. Hey, since you’re a gunslinger, join up! Join my marine corps. and show how approving of the War you are! Come on, badass, and bring your posse!
Don’t play that game. I served too. I left a good friend back there. My little brother did two tours and one of my best friends from the fleet is there for his third. A bunch of reservists I trained up are going back again as well. Guess how many of us still believe in the cause?
Show me an anti-war Marine and I’ll show you ten who still believe in the fight. Join “your” Marine Corps? laughing I don’t think the Marine Corps is full of guys crying that they were lied to.
Funny too, in my experience the guys that talked the most shit were some pogues emailing home how crazy things are while the grunts were out in the field.
mike[/quote]
So what if ya left your brother, friend, whoever there. If it’s such a great cause, you shouldn’t have anything to say, things are going your way and I’m glad I drive a car that’s great on gas. And THANK GOD I joined in '92. My ending obligated service was Oct.2000, the month before all hell began.
[quote]micromuscle wrote:
Cheney resigned from his $27 mil/year salary to be Vice-Prez, to a guy that is dumber than a stump. Then, his company gets the oil contract without ANY bidding whatsoever, because they can! If you blindly are a YES man to this administration, you were easy for me to “fool”, fool.[/quote]
Again, micro, please show me some proof he’s making money off of Iraq.
What you’ll find, if you work, is that he sold all his Halliburton stock. He took a fixed retirement package.
If you can’t find any proof of him making money off of Iraq, please drop that from your bag of bile.
Further, the honorable thing would be to apologize for your ignorance and your slander.
I don’t expect either.
Surprise me.
JeffR
JeffR, you really need a life. They are too good at covering evidence up for me to dig. You keep being an idiot, and I will keep talking about BS politics. What happened to your wishes on other T-Nation member’s to receive bodily harm? You getting soft? Come on, threaten us more. You are slacking!!!