taking steroids before training and diet are in order is like building a brick house without any mortar. its gonna fucking crumble and you lose it all once youre done.
[quote]cycobushmaster wrote:
[quote]GetSwoleToday wrote:
DT 79. I am highly confused now. I have been researching this all day long and have read multiple medical articles that state the following about Var. Can you please explain this to me…
From what I have read, if you stick to a low dose of Var such as 20-50 mg’s per day for men, PCT won’t be needed after the cycle. PCT is only required with Var if say a guy was taking 80-100 mg’s per day of the entire cycle. We both know that most bodybuilders would be taking even more than 100 mg’s per day of Var since they want to put on the most mass possible during their cycle so that is why test is needed along with their Var dose. I am reading and researching all day long over here and it seems even from a scientific and medical standpoint that the dose I am taking each day will not cause me to need PCT.
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well, the question is whether you are reading actual medical studies or “broscience” on steroid sites (which are notorious for parroting bad information even when confronted with obvious science). the fact of the matter is, any additional hormone you introduce to your body will cause suppression.
below is a link to a study, where it shows that 15 mg of anavar/day suppressed testosterone 37% in 5 days.
http://press.endocrine.org/doi/full/10.1210/jcem.84.8.5923
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Wow I never knew there was that much suppression from low dose Var. That was a good read.
SCIENCE BITCH!
[quote]dt79 wrote:
[quote]cycobushmaster wrote:
[quote]GetSwoleToday wrote:
DT 79. I am highly confused now. I have been researching this all day long and have read multiple medical articles that state the following about Var. Can you please explain this to me…
From what I have read, if you stick to a low dose of Var such as 20-50 mg’s per day for men, PCT won’t be needed after the cycle. PCT is only required with Var if say a guy was taking 80-100 mg’s per day of the entire cycle. We both know that most bodybuilders would be taking even more than 100 mg’s per day of Var since they want to put on the most mass possible during their cycle so that is why test is needed along with their Var dose. I am reading and researching all day long over here and it seems even from a scientific and medical standpoint that the dose I am taking each day will not cause me to need PCT.
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well, the question is whether you are reading actual medical studies or “broscience” on steroid sites (which are notorious for parroting bad information even when confronted with obvious science). the fact of the matter is, any additional hormone you introduce to your body will cause suppression.
below is a link to a study, where it shows that 15 mg of anavar/day suppressed testosterone 37% in 5 days.
http://press.endocrine.org/doi/full/10.1210/jcem.84.8.5923
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Wow I never knew there was that much suppression from low dose Var. That was a good read.
SCIENCE BITCH![/quote]
yeah, i was surprised as well. there are a couple other studies that show the same thing, with other steroids.
winstrol lowers test 55% in 10 days (at only 10 mg/day)
100 mg NPP knocks test in half in 1 day, and Deca does in 2 days:
dianobol lowers test 58% in 6 weeks… but it’s a study using 100 mg/day!!
I can believe that about the Deca, definitely. Surprised at the winstrol thing though. 10mg a day? That’s nothing. I run the shit at 100mg! Haha
[quote]Yogi wrote:
I can believe that about the Deca, definitely. Surprised at the winstrol thing though. 10mg a day? That’s nothing. I run the shit at 100mg! Haha[/quote]
yeah, i was surprised as well, but more surprised that high dose d-bol didn’t knock it down further…
SCIENCE BITCHES!!!
[quote]cycobushmaster wrote:
SCIENCE BITCHES!!![/quote]
^^^Hahahaha