If innocent/non-innocent makes no difference to you, I fail to see why it was worth mentioning (several times). But OK.
Sez you. Christ ask you to judge people until He returns, did he?
Agreed, the situation is tragic. Agreed, all abortions represent a tragedy. But something can be both tragic and good.
Sez stats. I judged no one, these are facts.
“Summary: This report reviews available statistics regarding reasons given for obtaining abortions in the United States, including surveys by the Alan Guttmacher Institute and data from seven state health/statistics agencies that report relevant statistics (Arizona, Florida, Louisiana, Minnesota, Nebraska, South Dakota, and Utah). The official data imply that AGI claims regarding “hard case” abortions are inflated by roughly a factor of three. Actual percentage of U.S. abortions in “hard cases” are estimated as follows: in cases of rape, 0.3%; in cases of incest, 0.03%; in cases of risk to maternal life, 0.1%; in cases of risk to maternal health, 0.8%; and in cases of fetal health issues, 0.5%. About 98.3% of abortions in the United States are elective, including socio-economic reasons or for birth control. This includes perhaps 30% for primarily economic reasons and possibly 0.1% each for sex selection and selective reduction of multifetal pregnancies.”
http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/policy/abortion/abreasons.html
Ummm, no. Your hypothetical is just tragic, with no good in it at all. Child incestual rape and abortion?
Even assuming your (obviously slanted) source is accurate, these are not trivial reasons.
The ‘good’ is that the child is not forced to carry the unwanted, destructive pregnancy to term.
Obviously slanted? It’s a technical white paper. And all reasons barring death are trivial in comparison of taking a human life. We don’t kill folks because they are poor, disenfranchised, or show up at a bad time. Those are all stupid reasons to kill. Killing a human life is the biggest of all deals.
Early-term abortions do not involve ‘killing folk.’
Now your drawing imaginary lines. Check the science. I provided dozens of scientific links in this here thread. There is no line at which the fetus suddenly becomes human. It’s that way from the beginning; its a scientific fact and there is nothing you can say or do that will change that fact.
Fixed it for ya.
Edit: More specifically, nothing will alter your belief that human life is equivalent across every moment of the life cycle–that a 1-minute-post-fertilization zygote has the same moral status as a born human. I find that patently absurd.
Again, don’t put words in my mouth. The facts are driven by science and scientists who dedicate their lives to this sort of research. If you do not like the results of their work, take it up with them. There is not a single scientific journal or study that differentiates the stages of human development from the species that is developing. If the science won’t convince you, nothing I say will; which is on you not me.
I have backed up the facts on human development and the fact that through out that development the being in question is a human being with nearly a dozen sources in this thread. You have provided exactly zero. You have asked some good questions, but did not bring facts to the table.
I am unaware of any scientists who “dedicate their lives to this sort of research,” if by “this research” you mean demonstrating that abortion is immoral. Enlighten me on this score if that’s what you mean. OTOH, if all you mean is ‘it is a scientific fact that the human life cycle begins at conception,’ I acknowledged that truism long ago.
And yet, every single human society does engage in such differentiation. I dare say you’ll not find a single society on earth that treats infants the same way it treats children, and children the same way it treats adults. To be sure, different societies will draw the lines separating life-stages at different places, but the point remains–ie, that they do draw such lines.
In short, with respect to the morality of abortion, your focus on the the life cycle is immaterial, and obfuscatory. The issue of abortion is not scientific; it is socio-cultural.
See above.