Orion and SteelyD: I’m not defending governments as if such an institution has a better chance of bringing about the change we need, but I’m not as naieve as orion to think big business has the inclination to do this instead.
Corporate greed and governmental bureaucracy are the result of immaturity. I don’t think there’s much more to it, really.
Humankind has not matured enough to look at the big picture and divert resources to research that will benefit all. And I don’t know if we have enough time left to mature.
[quote]ephrem wrote:
Orion and SteelyD: I’m not defending governments as if such an institution has a better chance of bringing about the change we need, but I’m not as naieve as orion to think big business has the inclination to do this instead.
Corporate greed and governmental bureaucracy are the result of immaturity. I don’t think there’s much more to it, really.
Humankind has not matured enough to look at the big picture and divert resources to research that will benefit all. And I don’t know if we have enough time left to mature.[/quote]
What about political greed?
Political greed and corporate greed work hand-in-hand.
[quote]ephrem wrote:
Orion and SteelyD: I’m not defending governments as if such an institution has a better chance of bringing about the change we need, but I’m not as naieve as orion to think big business has the inclination to do this instead.
Corporate greed and governmental bureaucracy are the result of immaturity. I don’t think there’s much more to it, really.
Humankind has not matured enough to look at the big picture and divert resources to research that will benefit all. And I don’t know if we have enough time left to mature.[/quote]
What about political greed?
Political greed and corporate greed work hand-in-hand.
What’s naive is to deny that.[/quote]
I don’t deny that. They’ve gone about their business intertwined, that almost goes without saying.
All the more reason for a system overhaul; to divorce big business from politics and make politicians accountable for their wrongdoings.
[quote]ephrem wrote:
All the more reason for a system overhaul; to divorce big business from politics and make politicians accountable for their wrongdoings.
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How? This sounds all fine and dandy but who regulates the regulators? Voting doesn’t work when we are talking about the inherent problem of bureaucracy.
[quote]ephrem wrote:
All the more reason for a system overhaul; to divorce big business from politics and make politicians accountable for their wrongdoings.
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How? This sounds all fine and dandy but who regulates the regulators? Voting doesn’t work when we are talking about the inherent problem of bureaucracy.[/quote]
I have no idea.
The scale of global business conglomerates and its branches into politics, judicial systems and law enforcement [including penitentiaries] is simply too vast to force it to change in one way or another.
[quote]ephrem wrote:
All the more reason for a system overhaul; to divorce big business from politics and make politicians accountable for their wrongdoings.
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How? This sounds all fine and dandy but who regulates the regulators? Voting doesn’t work when we are talking about the inherent problem of bureaucracy.[/quote]
I have no idea.
The scale of global business conglomerates and its branches into politics, judicial systems and law enforcement [including penitentiaries] is simply too vast to force it to change in one way or another.
Do you have suggestions?[/quote]
Yeah, preach morality and set the example for others to follow.
Immorality is unsustainable in the long run and the system will eventually collapse if trends do not reverse themselves.
I guess if we have no real workable solution we can just wait for the inevitable “correction”.
[quote]ironcross wrote:
This board is fraught with political and religion argument and I’ve noticed that when someone brings up an idea that doesn’t have a side (such as my idea in the “How to get rid of Jobless people” thread and the lack of response to my response about how it’s true that Atheists do turn into somewhat more selfish people and what can be done about that), no one cares to give it a second thought.
This means that either everyone is just here because they want to fight or they don’t care about an idea unless it was brought to them by their religion or political party. I am scared of that second option and I hope it isn’t true.
What original solutions do you have for the problems that exist in our society? [/quote]
Well quick answer. To have a solution, means you have an agenda, plain and simple.
No way around it. Your agenda is to implement your solution. And all solutions are manifest by some form experience and application of knowledge (learning through experience). So there will be an agenda hidden in every solution.
[quote]kamui wrote:
A word of stoician wisdom :
Do not become attached to things that are not in your power.
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Seeing as how we are all accessing this thing via computers via the internet…Too late! We’re all attached to things we cannot control. It’s a nice thought, but it’s a misunderstanding of control. We can control very little, so if we live attached to those things we can control, we essentially are lifeless.
[quote]ironcross wrote:
What original solutions do you have for the problems that exist in our society? [/quote]
What if the solution is already known?
Don’t hurt people. Mind your own business.[/quote]
What’s that a solution too?
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It is a commandment for government and people to obey that solve the problem of aggressive violence and coercion.
It brigs about peace, freedom, trade, and subsequently, prosperity for those willing to cooperate in society.[/quote]
If people stop hurting other people, then the problem of aggressive violence will be solved.
but that’s not a solution.
that’s a tautology.
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But some people like to be hurt. Some people seek chaos over peace. Some people prefer pain over pleasure. You’re always going to be disappointing someone.
[quote]ephrem wrote:
Orion and SteelyD: I’m not defending governments as if such an institution has a better chance of bringing about the change we need, but I’m not as naieve as orion to think big business has the inclination to do this instead.
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Well, they want my money.
If they do not solve a problem for me they do not get it.
Government takes it and if does a shitty job it takes more.
So, who will be more inclined not to fuck things up?
[quote]ironcross wrote:
What original solutions do you have for the problems that exist in our society? [/quote]
What if the solution is already known?
Don’t hurt people. Mind your own business.[/quote]
What’s that a solution too?
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It is a commandment for government and people to obey that solve the problem of aggressive violence and coercion.
It brings about peace, freedom, trade, and subsequently, prosperity for those willing to cooperate in society.[/quote]
Yeah, your dealing with humans. You have to much faith in human nature. Give man a situation and we will find a way to fuck it up.[/quote]
Man is not inherently violent. He learns to behave this way based on his environment.
If man were naturally prone to violence civilization could never have started. Some people are violent but most are not.
Even still, individual on individual, localized violence is much easier to deal with than invading government armies. Government on government violence is the worse kind because it creates chaos for many who have nothing to do with government or the decisions it makes on our behalf. There are only victims and no victors with government on government violence.
