As far as the mainstream is concerned, I like R&B and some rap.
The-Dream (both of his CDs are GOLDEN.)
Jamie Foxx
Mario
T.I.
Three 6 Mafia
Stuff like that is about as ‘mainstream’ as I’ll go. If it’s bullshit talentless ROCK music, (All-American Rejects, Green Day, Disturbed, etc etc etc) I just simply will not tolerate it though.
[quote]Makavali wrote:
HangerBaby wrote:
Tupac is talented?
Go eat a dick[/quote]
Why? If he wasn’t dead would he still be talented?
[quote]sen say wrote:
Makavali wrote:
HangerBaby wrote:
Tupac is talented?
Go eat a dick
Why? If he wasn’t dead would he still be talented?[/quote]
You know I think about that a lot … Him and Biggie. I think they’d be making foo-foo radio crap personally. I think them dieing was the best career move they could’ve made
[quote]polo77j wrote:
sen say wrote:
Makavali wrote:
HangerBaby wrote:
Tupac is talented?
Go eat a dick
Why? If he wasn’t dead would he still be talented?
You know I think about that a lot … Him and Biggie. I think they’d be making foo-foo radio crap personally. I think them dieing was the best career move they could’ve made[/quote]
Well,if Tupac was talented before…and not just in rapping…then,yes,he would still be talented. Get real.
Dying was their best career move?? You’re joking,right? Rappers do move with the times…so what kind of music they would be making is unknown…IF they would still be rapping. BUT,look around…if these guys were alive…80% of current roster of popular rappers would be mediocre at best and/or just local legends.
You guys are grossly underestimating the influence these two had(have). If they had not passed…I think their influences(not just the music)…would have given the current state of hip-hop a different look. They would have been major influence in how rap “moved with the times.”
I like what I like. Worrying about the level of talent of the musician is for music critics.
[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
polo77j wrote:
sen say wrote:
Makavali wrote:
HangerBaby wrote:
Tupac is talented?
Go eat a dick
Why? If he wasn’t dead would he still be talented?
You know I think about that a lot … Him and Biggie. I think they’d be making foo-foo radio crap personally. I think them dieing was the best career move they could’ve made
Well,if Tupac was talented before…and not just in rapping…then,yes,he would still be talented. Get real.
Dying was their best career move?? You’re joking,right? Rappers do move with the times…so what kind of music they would be making is unknown…IF they would still be rapping. BUT,look around…if these guys were alive…80% of current roster of popular rappers would be mediocre at best and/or just local legends.
You guys are grossly underestimating the influence these two had(have). If they had not passed…I think their influences(not just the music)…would have given the current state of hip-hop a different look. They would have been major influence in how rap “moved with the times.”
[/quote]
Ok…Ice Cube and Nas were just as influential as was Wu Tang. They all were popular at the same time. While I’m still a fan of Nas, let’s be honest, the only time he’s been relevant in the last ten years was when he got called out by Jay-Z. Stillmatic was fire, God’s Son was ok, His Double album should’ve been one disk, Hip Hop is Dead is a sleeper and Self Titled was a disappointment.
Ice Cube. Movies. End of story. Wu Tang hasn’t released anything relevant since The W. Iron Flag sucked. Straight up. Sucked. All their solo albums with the exception of Ghostface have all been lack luster sine 1999. Masta Killa released a good couple albums post 2000 but they’ve all haven’t been relevant.
Biggie became a commercial rapper (I still think his underground stuff was better than Life After…) Tupac I’ll give you would still be making amazing music. But i don’t think Biggie would. He would’ve of degenerated and self-destructed.
From what I’ve noticed in the hip hop community, the only rapper to still be relevant from that era that’s still rapping is Common. And that’s only because Kanye West resurrected his career by producing Be.
Let’s face it, Electric Circus was a clusterfuck of an album. I wish the evidence could support your claim that Biggie and Pac would still be making great stuff, but it doesn’t hold up. 99% of their contemporaries are in the clearance bin a week after release and are all stretching for content. The only one who had the talent is Pac.
[quote]polo77j wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
polo77j wrote:
sen say wrote:
Makavali wrote:
HangerBaby wrote:
Tupac is talented?
Go eat a dick
Why? If he wasn’t dead would he still be talented?
You know I think about that a lot … Him and Biggie. I think they’d be making foo-foo radio crap personally. I think them dieing was the best career move they could’ve made
Well,if Tupac was talented before…and not just in rapping…then,yes,he would still be talented. Get real.
Dying was their best career move?? You’re joking,right? Rappers do move with the times…so what kind of music they would be making is unknown…IF they would still be rapping. BUT,look around…if these guys were alive…80% of current roster of popular rappers would be mediocre at best and/or just local legends.
You guys are grossly underestimating the influence these two had(have). If they had not passed…I think their influences(not just the music)…would have given the current state of hip-hop a different look. They would have been major influence in how rap “moved with the times.”
Ok…Ice Cube and Nas were just as influential as was Wu Tang. They all were popular at the same time. While I’m still a fan of Nas, let’s be honest, the only time he’s been relevant in the last ten years was when he got called out by Jay-Z. Stillmatic was fire, God’s Son was ok, His Double album should’ve been one disk, Hip Hop is Dead is a sleeper and Self Titled was a disappointment.
Ice Cube. Movies. End of story. Wu Tang hasn’t released anything relevant since The W. Iron Flag sucked. Straight up. Sucked. All their solo albums with the exception of Ghostface have all been lack luster sine 1999. Masta Killa released a good couple albums post 2000 but they’ve all haven’t been relevant.
Biggie became a commercial rapper (I still think his underground stuff was better than Life After…) Tupac I’ll give you would still be making amazing music. But i don’t think Biggie would. He would’ve of degenerated and self-destructed.
From what I’ve noticed in the hip hop community, the only rapper to still be relevant from that era that’s still rapping is Common. And that’s only because Kanye West resurrected his career by producing Be. Let’s face it, Electric Circus was a clusterfuck of an album. I wish the evidence could support your claim that Biggie and Pac would still be making great stuff, but it doesn’t hold up. 99% of their contemporaries are in the clearance bin a week after release and are all stretching for content. The only one who had the talent is Pac. [/quote]
I can roll with that…with a little more thought,Its hard to see Biggie making hits with the current Bad Boy abomination of a record company. Maybe he would of became a Ruff Ryder,too…lol. But I salivate at the idea of Biggie collaborating with Neptunes,Kanye,Timbaland,etc. Pac not soo much(I don’t know exactly why,but I just don’t see it).
Pac on the other hand did have more flexibility with his talents. Yet he was so damn paranoid about everyone around him…yet he put trust in the wrong people. I could see him being more of an actor now…which I always thought his acting ability outshine his rapping. Being 25yrs old,I really could of seen him “mature” as a person…but we will never know.
Lets not forget other talents who have passed that would of had a huge influence on current state of hip-hop:
Big Pun(Fat Joe would still be riding bitch)…and Big L(imagine if he had been on Roc-A-Fella up till now.)
[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
polo77j wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
polo77j wrote:
sen say wrote:
Makavali wrote:
HangerBaby wrote:
Tupac is talented?
Go eat a dick
Why? If he wasn’t dead would he still be talented?
You know I think about that a lot … Him and Biggie. I think they’d be making foo-foo radio crap personally. I think them dieing was the best career move they could’ve made
Well,if Tupac was talented before…and not just in rapping…then,yes,he would still be talented. Get real.
Dying was their best career move?? You’re joking,right? Rappers do move with the times…so what kind of music they would be making is unknown…IF they would still be rapping. BUT,look around…if these guys were alive…80% of current roster of popular rappers would be mediocre at best and/or just local legends.
You guys are grossly underestimating the influence these two had(have). If they had not passed…I think their influences(not just the music)…would have given the current state of hip-hop a different look. They would have been major influence in how rap “moved with the times.”
Ok…Ice Cube and Nas were just as influential as was Wu Tang. They all were popular at the same time. While I’m still a fan of Nas, let’s be honest, the only time he’s been relevant in the last ten years was when he got called out by Jay-Z. Stillmatic was fire, God’s Son was ok, His Double album should’ve been one disk, Hip Hop is Dead is a sleeper and Self Titled was a disappointment.
Ice Cube. Movies. End of story. Wu Tang hasn’t released anything relevant since The W. Iron Flag sucked. Straight up. Sucked. All their solo albums with the exception of Ghostface have all been lack luster sine 1999. Masta Killa released a good couple albums post 2000 but they’ve all haven’t been relevant.
Biggie became a commercial rapper (I still think his underground stuff was better than Life After…) Tupac I’ll give you would still be making amazing music. But i don’t think Biggie would. He would’ve of degenerated and self-destructed.
From what I’ve noticed in the hip hop community, the only rapper to still be relevant from that era that’s still rapping is Common. And that’s only because Kanye West resurrected his career by producing Be. Let’s face it, Electric Circus was a clusterfuck of an album. I wish the evidence could support your claim that Biggie and Pac would still be making great stuff, but it doesn’t hold up. 99% of their contemporaries are in the clearance bin a week after release and are all stretching for content. The only one who had the talent is Pac.
I can roll with that…with a little more thought,Its hard to see Biggie making hits with the current Bad Boy abomination of a record company. Maybe he would of became a Ruff Ryder,too…lol. But I salivate at the idea of Biggie collaborating with Neptunes,Kanye,Timbaland,etc. Pac not soo much(I don’t know exactly why,but I just don’t see it).
Pac on the other hand did have more flexibility with his talents. Yet he was so damn paranoid about everyone around him…yet he put trust in the wrong people. I could see him being more of an actor now…which I always thought his acting ability outshine his rapping. Being 25yrs old,I really could of seen him “mature” as a person…but we will never know.
Lets not forget other talents who have passed that would of had a huge influence on current state of hip-hop:
Big Pun(Fat Joe would still be riding bitch)…and Big L(imagine if he had been on Roc-A-Fella up till now.)[/quote]
Ahh Big L … so much talent wasted man. I always thought AZ could’ve been big. I have a few of his albums and they’re always great to listen to. I haven’t grown tired of them.
[quote]wfifer wrote:
I feel like you’re asking two different questions. There’s a difference between technical simplicity and lack of talent. Pop music is simple by definition, but it takes talent to write good pop music.
I like pop music, if that’s what you’re asking. But I don’t like bad music.
heavythrower wrote:
IMO, rap as a genre is quite limited, i might find a tune that is catchy, but after just a few listens it gets old and tired. it lacks musical depth and complexity, also the topics are pretty lame and weak (to me). there is only so much i can hear about some ghetto tough guy talking about how many bitches he has, how much money he has, how many cars he has, how much dope he slings and smokes, how many times he has been in a shootout, etc.
just my opinion, and i am an older guy, so the fascination that this current younger “mainstream” has with ghetto/gangster/hiphop culture escapes me.
You need to differentiate between hip-hop and radio rap. Check out Cunninlynguists, as mentioned in the first post. Lyrically hip-hop is probably the most complex genre out there. And because of its willingness to borrow from every other genre, it has developed great musical depth.
[/quote]
lets just agree to disagree, i will check out cunninlynguists, as you suggested, and anything else you care to send my way i will give it a try(just pm me) i am pretty open minded as far a music goes, i have a pretty diverse collection on my ipod, goes from hardcore death metal, hillbilly folk, sludge metal, some rap, pop, classical, bluegrass, contemporary jazz, you name it.
but i dont buy that rap is complex and deep. sorry, when half the players in the NBA have record deals and are selling music, no, sorry. you cant tell me that cutting and pasting samples from already made music to a beat and rhymes qualifies as talent compared to a musician like tori amos, who has an 8 octive voice and writes her own music and plays the piano as well as any concert musician and can put on a kick ass concert with just her voice and piano… blah blah, you get my point. i am sure you have a different opinion, which is fine, but you wont change my mind.
the fact that most rap artist put out 1 or 2 albums then they are done and start just producing and recording whatever new artists they can find should be pretty telling.
[quote]polo77j wrote:
I think them dieing was the best career move they could’ve made[/quote]
Ditto Kurt Cobain and Jim Morrison…no talent one hit wonders had they lived…okay…maybe 10 hit wonders in Morrison’s case.
yeah im the same way…
I find the pop artists to be talented though…or at least their producers are talented…
I went through a hating mainstream music phase though…I got out of it around 17
[quote]masonator wrote:
Katy Perry
[/quote]
I hear one of her songs every time I go to the gym.
I want to kill her.
I can listen to about one Lil John song per day.
I’m hooked on Lil Wayne’s Got Money though…
I still like that hey there delilah song…don’t tell anyone cool.
AZ is definately underrated.
Nirvana was sick dude wtf? i dont think Kurt Kobain is a god or anything but he definately isnt a 1-hit wonder either.
[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
Nirvana was sick dude wtf? i dont think Kurt Kobain is a god or anything but he definately isnt a 1-hit wonder either.[/quote]
Poh-tay-toe, Pah-tah-toe…I think he wasn’t all that, and you think…well…you think something that is wrong.
[quote]sen say wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
Nirvana was sick dude wtf? i dont think Kurt Kobain is a god or anything but he definately isnt a 1-hit wonder either.
Poh-tay-toe, Pah-tah-toe…I think he wasn’t all that, and you think…well…you think something that is wrong.[/quote]
I will agree with you that Kurt wasn’t a great guitar player, but for what Nirvana was, I think he did a good job. I don’t see how you can say Jim Morrison wasn’t talented. I think he was a great lyricist. Ray Manzarek’s keyboard playing was awesome. Robby Krieger was a talented guitarist with flamenco influences. John Densmore was a good drummer. The Doors shouldn’t even be in a thread about no talent music.
[quote]sen say wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
Nirvana was sick dude wtf? i dont think Kurt Kobain is a god or anything but he definately isnt a 1-hit wonder either.
Poh-tay-toe, Pah-tah-toe…I think he wasn’t all that, and you think…well…you think something that is wrong.[/quote]
fuck your taste in music. and your potatoes too.
[quote]Geebus wrote:
sen say wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
Nirvana was sick dude wtf? i dont think Kurt Kobain is a god or anything but he definately isnt a 1-hit wonder either.
Poh-tay-toe, Pah-tah-toe…I think he wasn’t all that, and you think…well…you think something that is wrong.
I will agree with you that Kurt wasn’t a great guitar player, but for what Nirvana was, I think he did a good job. I don’t see how you can say Jim Morrison wasn’t talented. I think he was a great lyricist. Ray Manzarek’s keyboard playing was awesome. Robby Krieger was a talented guitarist with flamenco influences. John Densmore was a good drummer. The Doors shouldn’t even be in a thread about no talent music.[/quote]
The worst thing I could have done regarding me and The Doors was read Densmores’ book.
He came off whiny and submissive. Definitely a bummer of a book.
[quote]Geebus wrote:
I don’t see how you can say Jim Morrison wasn’t talented. I think he was a great lyricist. [/quote]
Really?
This is the end
Beautiful friend
This is the end
My only friend, the end
(pure genius rhyming friend with end…repeatedly)
Of our elaborate plans, the end
Of everything that stands, the end
No safety or surprise, the end
Ill never look into your eyes…again
Can you picture what will be
So limitless and free
Desperately in need…of some…strangers hand
In a…desperate land
Lost in a roman…wilderness of pain (a roman wilderness of pain? Sheesh…)
And all the children are insane
All the children are insane
Waiting for the summer rain, yeah
(Rain with insane…great stuff…)
Theres danger on the edge of town
Ride the kings highway, baby
Weird scenes inside the gold mine
Ride the highway west, baby
Ride the snake, ride the snake
To the lake, the ancient lake, baby
The snake is long, seven miles
Ride the snake…hes old, and his skin is cold
(Ride the snake, to the lake, what is this Dr. Seuss?)
The west is the best
The west is the best
Get here, and well do the rest
The blue bus is callin us
The blue bus is callin us
Driver, where you taken us
The killer awoke before dawn, he put his boots on
He took a face from the ancient gallery
And he walked on down the hall
He went into the room where his sister lived, and…then he
Paid a visit to his brother, and then he
He walked on down the hall, and
And he came to a door…and he looked inside
Father, yes son, I want to kill you
Mother…i want to…fuck you
(Jesus christ…this is moronic Western Lit 101 garbage)
Cmon baby, take a chance with us
Cmon baby, take a chance with us
Cmon baby, take a chance with us
And meet me at the back of the blue bus
Doin a blue rock
On a blue bus
Doin a blue rock
Cmon, yeah
Kill, kill, kill, kill, kill, kill
This is the end
Beautiful friend
This is the end
My only friend, the end
It hurts to set you free
But youll never follow me
The end of laughter and soft lies
The end of nights we tried to die
This is the end
Too bad we had to suffer all the way through the song to get to the end.