[quote]kamui wrote:
when we need to quantify something unquantifiable, there is always a way.
It’s called the Market.
let’s sell and buy children, and we will soon have an answer.
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Seems like a modest proposal.
On a more serious level, use school data. Show that students whose legal guardians are two homosexual partners perform worse on state-wide academic tests than kids raised in foster homes or group homes.
NCLB made state-wide testing mandatory, so while the information can be hard to look up, I’m sure someone kept a record of the children’s home-life and indexed it for statistical use.
[quote]kamui wrote:
when we need to quantify something unquantifiable, there is always a way.
It’s called the Market.
let’s sell and buy children, and we will soon have an answer.
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We are already doing that; surrogate mothers, eggs, ambryos, everything is for sale and I haven’t checked but I think you can get a good car for the price of a baby.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
No one should get benefits for getting married. You should get payed what you earn.[/quote]
Normal marriage should be encouraged. Heterosexual couples, married hetero couples, raise the best children, far and way the best. Gays and single parents generally do an absolutely TERRIBLE job.
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Says who? You got statistics? Not saying you’re wrong, I don’t think they woudl do a godo job raising, but just making that claim doesn’t make it true.[/quote]
Not that people against gay parenting will start supporting it due to objective research, but since you asked:
“The vast consensus of all the studies shows that children of same-sex
parents do as well as children whose parents are heterosexual in every
way,” she tells WebMD. “In some ways children of same-sex parents
actually may have advantages over other family structures.”
[quote]Same-sex marriage, barely on the political radar a decade ago,
is a reality in America. How will it affect the well-being of
children? Some observers worry that legalizing same-sex marriage would
send the message that same-sex parenting and opposite-sex parenting
are interchangeable, when in fact they may lead to different outcomes
for children. To evaluate that concern, William Meezan and Jonathan
Rauch review the growing body of research on how same-sex parenting
affects children. After considering the methodological problems
inherent in studying small, hard-to-locate populations–problems that
have bedeviled this literature-the authors find that the children who
have been studied are doing about as well as children normally do.
What the research does not yet show is whether the children studied
are typical of the general population of children raised by gay and
lesbian couples. A second important question is how same-sex marriage
might affect children who are already being raised by same-sex
couples. Meezan and Rauch observe that marriage confers on children
three types of benefits that seem likely to carry over to children in
same-sex families. First, marriage may increase children’s material
well-being through such benefits as family leave from work and spousal
health insurance eligibility. It may also help ensure financial
continuity, should a spouse die or be disabled. Second, same-sex
marriage may benefit children by increasing the durability and
stability of their parents’ relationship. Finally, marriage may bring
increased social acceptance of and support for same-sex families,
although those benefits might not materialize in communities that meet
same-sex marriage with rejection or hostility. The authors note that
the best way to ascertain the costs and benefits of the effects of
same-sex marriage on children is to compare it with the alternatives.
Massachusetts is marrying same-sex couples, Vermont and Connecticut
are offering civil unions, and several states offer partner-benefit
programs. Studying the effect of these various forms of unions on
children could inform the debate over gay marriage to the benefit of
all sides of the argument.[/quote]
The Effects of Marriage, Civil Union, and Domestic Partnership Laws
on the Health and Well-being of Children
[quote]Civil marriage is a legal status that promotes healthy families
by conferring a powerful set of rights, benefits, and protections that
cannot be obtained by other means. Civil marriage can help foster
financial and legal security, psychosocial stability, and an augmented
sense of societal acceptance and support. Legal recognition of a
spouse can increase the ability of adult couples to provide and care
for one another and fosters a nurturing and secure environment for
their children. Children who are raised by civilly married parents
benefit from the legal status granted to their parents.
Gay and lesbian people have been raising children for many years and
will continue to do so in the future; the issue is whether these
children will be raised by parents who have the rights, benefits, and
protections of civil marriage. Same-gender couples are denied the
right to civil marriage in every state except Massachusetts and the
right to civil union except in Connecticut and Vermont. The federal
government and other state governments do not recognize those civil
marriages and civil unions.
There is ample evidence to show that children raised by same-gender
parents fare as well as those raised by heterosexual parents. More
than 25 years of research have documented that there is no
relationship between parents’ sexual orientation and any measure of a
child’s emotional, psychosocial, and behavioral adjustment. These data
have demonstrated no risk to children as a result of growing up in a
family with 1 or more gay parents. Conscientious and nurturing adults,
whether they are men or women, heterosexual or homosexual, can be
excellent parents. The rights, benefits, and protections of civil
marriage can further strengthen these families. [/quote]
[quote]xfactor3236 wrote:
i think it sucks, DD maybe right about they benefits, but the current facts are straight couples do get those benefits. but this argument just seems predestined to boil done to our views on the legitimacy of gay marriage.[/quote]
So we know at least the United States Military still thinks that gay marriage is illegitimate. So…that’s a good thing.
Every time you reveal a new side of yourself I sit back and marvel. You claim to be a man of science. I think at one point you even claimed to be some sort of councilor (God help the kids he councils). You even claimed to have a Masters degree once when TB was slam dunking your ignorant arguments one after the other (“Well…I have a masters you know” yeah that was funny:).
Yet with all of your alleged education you must know that the studies that you posted mean nothing as gay marriage and even gay parenting has not been around long enough to be significant. But that doesn’t stop you from frolicking in meaningless studies. (shaking head)
For all you know children brought up by two homosexuals will turn out to have a higher suicidal rate, just like the many homosexual men highlighted in the CDC statistics. They may also turn out to be homosexual since NO ONE KNOWS WHY PEOPLE BECOME HOMOSEXUAL TO BEGIN WITH.
You are a biased pathetic joke.
Let’s see you have two posts on my thread so far. The first one was an attack post. And now the second one posts meaningless data.