TT is 1965 at 180 a week. Im going to get SHBG done next week and will report back with results. Physiologik seemed to think it was a waste of a test because it can fluctuate so greatly so I never got it tested.
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I also heard him say that. I tried to follow up with his thoughts on it but I didnāt get an answer.
I donāt know if I agree with that regarding SHBG. If it fluctuates so much, why do ālowā shbg guys feel better injecting everyday?
Why do I need more test, while someone with a lower SHBG gets e2 symptoms off the same dose.
When you consistently test in the 40+ for SHBG, when is it safe to say its high?
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Yeah, I will get the test and see whats up and take it from there. I dont mind a little bit of experimentation as long as I can still bang my wife.
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@roscoe88 - just a little updateā¦ I injected 36mg last night at 11pm. I started feeling real good the last couple of hours. I was looking at a website where there was an image of a beach/girls in bikinis, not an intentional thing by any meansā¦ That triggered something and I went down the internet rabbit hole looking at other pictures of girls in bikinis and had to snap my carrot the break out of the vortex and feel reliefā¦ So, something is working for me with libido/reaction mentally. Haha
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Excellent. I just did something similar. Lol
Should be Interesting to see how eod goes.
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Blood draw for SHBG test scheduled for tomorrow at 12:30p. Should have results next week. If needed I will adjust shot schedule at that point from E3.5D to EOD or even ED.
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Nice. Interested in the results. Once I have my appointment in October, Iāll post mine too if thatās ok
Hell yeah. The more data the better.
High supra test levels are great for bodybuilding purposes, but are they great for sex drive, mental well being and calmness? The things that normal men would have? IDK. And if it IS, is It sustainable for years to come?
The body wasnāt built that way.
Then again, Iāve never been on a high dose of test.
ED or EOD shots just make more sense.
Well I may feel great at 1.9k because my SHBG is low. If thatās the case and I work that angle with more frequent shots I may not feel as good. Im just going on how I feel. I would be interested to know if those who have run high test cycles (500mg+ a week) actually feel better with test readings of 5,000+. @roscoe88
I wouldnāt call 1900ng/dl supraphysiologic, Iād call it pharmacologic. Iām sure if you surveyed 1 million natural men some, but very few would have a TT of 1900ng/DL, I like to consider āsupraphysiologicā two to three times the top end of the original ref range, therefore 2-3000ng/dl.
Anecdotally Iāll say theyāre far better for all those variables. A small study on elderly men showed a dose respondent increase in libido, as in the higher the dose was, the higher libido and sexual function was, these results couldnāt be replicated in younger men though. The top dose of the study was 600mg/wk
Depends if one can keep their hematocrit, blood pressure and whatnot under control, as to the effect on cardiac function, no one really knows, however 1900ng/DL isnāt TERRIBLE, with a very healthy lifestyle one can probably get away with having these test levels for a very long time, bodybuilders sometimes cruise on 500mg+ for decades and get away with it, but some donāt get away with it and die, typically sudden cardiac death (from hypertrophic cardiomyopathy or general cardiac damage, stroke etc), however the incidence of sudden cardiac death, although apparently higher in the bodybuilding/ fitness/ athletic community still appears to be fairly low, while I donāt know anyone who has died from AAS use personally, one of my friends friends fathers friends friendds balblabla, apparently died in his 40ās and had been using AAS since high school, I had a therapist tell me they had a client who died in his 40ās and was using. Anabolic steroids high doses may also alter visuospacial cognitive function, however the design of the studies looking at this variable (cognitive function) were flawed, in one of the studies (not linking, maybe will later but Iām tired) the study group was only 20 people, and of the 10 AAS users, HALF of them were using psychoactive drugs, quite a few were using opiates, cocaine etc (no judgement here, their life, their choice as long as they donāt harm anyone other than potentially themselvesā¦ well Cocaineā¦ donāt know if itās possible to use that without doing harm.), structural abnormalities were found in the brains of AAS users compared to controls, however these couldnāt be explained by any mental or cognitive defectsā¦ Actually I think Iāll create a post/topic on this in the future, Iāll do it later.
The endocrinologist here cruises on a higher dose that probably gets him up into the upper 1000ās
@NH_Watts Iāve been running 250mg/wk, it feels much better than 100mg weekly, after Iām done with this I intend to cruise on a dose that keeps me around 900-1000
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Iām not expert and still learning everyday. Iād say 1900 test level is somewhat supra given the ranges of normal. Itās well above.
What one feels well at need to be balanced by long term health risks I believe.
TRT is a work in progress for sure.
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All that said, Iād LOVE to try a 500mg/week supra level cycle. I"ve never done something like that.
I am saving my extra test my dr prescribes me though for something like this in the future.
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I agree, it isnāt worth the risks in my opinion (cruising at a level of 1900ng/dl) if one isnāt an athlete or competitive bodybuilder, if one needs to sustain a high level of muscle mass that is beyond what their genetics would allow them to hold, then sure, otherwise I donāt understand the notion behind it (unless the individual doesnāt feel good without these test levels), however going on a cycle, having levels of 1900 is normal/ fairly low actually. I was just saying itās not the end of the world. Hell when I ācycleā my levels donāt even reach 1900ng/dl lol, more like 1400-1500 max, thatās because iām very conservative, however Iāve made tremendous progress, couldnāt be happier therefore I donāt see the point of using a higher dose if I donāt need to, just adding unwarrented risk
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Unreal: is your arousal good at that level? Not just libidoā¦ but arousal?
arousal is the best itās been in a very long time, so has libido, sexual function, energy etc. My anxiety is up, but thatās because I worry about stuff all the time, and taking a higher dose of AAS has me constantly worry about cardiac issues even though at my age and with my doses theyāre very unlikely to happen, canāt help worrying all the time lol, Iām just like that, on a good note my worrying stops me from doing a lot of the stupid shit a lot of teenagers end up doing as I tend to think out the potential consequences of every action I make, including this post.
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My issue is that missing arousal.
How old are you unreal? You mentioned āteenagerā. Curious.
Iām young, Iām sure my age is on this board a few times, Iām sorry I just donāt feel comfortable giving my exact age, Iām sure iāve put it in a few posts though, Iāll say this, Iām in my late teens. Why is a kid in his teens on TRT? No there wasnāt any prior AAS use, itās a long and kind of depressing story that involves a lot of bad luck, if youāre interested Iāll tell you tomorrow @roscoe88
This is why I got my most recent blood work and paid out of pocket. I need to watch my hematrocrit and make sure it doesnāt go up significantly. All of my other markers are good. I take my blood pressure about once a week and log that as well. I try to concentrate on sleep quality and lift heavy 3-4 days a week along with HIIT cardio 4-5 days a week from between 15-30 minutes depending on the day. 10 mins after lifting and 30 minutes on non-lifting days. Im not a pro BB, nor do I intend on that route. I canāt really call myself an athlete as I dont compete in anything or do anything overy active outside of the gym. I am an active husband and dad of 3 so they fill my days substantially.
I feel like I am in a good spot and have started to tackle my bodyfat as well as cutting back on the booze. Im going dry next month to remind myself how good I can feel. Sober October.
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bcostigan41 was 1 point off. Thats pretty fucking close.
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