NFL 2011 Part III

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[quote]ddot76 wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

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[quote]Steel Nation wrote:

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[quote]nomorewar wrote:
aside from the jets and broncos, patriots have not faced an over .500 team all year. This is the best defense in the league. Tom brady gets rapped on sunday. Ravens 21-10 [/quote]

You really think the Ravens can hold the Pats to 10pts?

Put down the crack pipe son…
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The Steelers held him to 17 and 198 yards passing. So it’s definitely possible. Baltimore’s D is better than Pittsburgh’s (this year), but New England is playing a lot better now than they were way back in week 8. Should be a close game.

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Dallas held the Pats to 20 and Brady had to do a come back at the end to win it remember.

It is possible to slow down the Golden boy.[/quote]

I’d be STUNNED if the Pats don’t score 20.

Steelers game was the best thing to happen to the Pats this year. Highlighted the need to figure ways to get receivers off the line when D’s play press coverage.

If someone plays press coverage like Pitt did, I think you’ll see more motion routes, stack sets, etc to get guys like Gronk, Hernandez and Welker off the line.

I’m still concerned about NE’s D against Ray Rice.

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Big Bill adjusts for sure. BUT I do remember a few years back that first round where the Ravens absolutely killed Brady.[/quote]

So do I. And I remember the Bronco’s beating the Pats in the playoffs. And the Jets.

I like our chances this year. 27-17 NE.
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Sounds about right, I hate to see it myself, but Brady will outscore most teams.

49rs vs Pats

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Well even though I picked niners and pats for the SB, I have a horse in the race…Lets go Giants!

At this point I dont have a feeling either way, The Giants have a better D line than the niners, but the Niners LBs are so much better than the Jints, The giants have better receivers but I would think you would take gore over Bradshaw and Jacobs, Giants have better receivers and Eli is obviously the better QB, but the way Smith works so well in their offense it may be neutralized…man I dont have a feeling either way. The niners main weak area seems to be their secondary and I would say that WAS the Giants as well, but they have been playing great…

Could Ted Ginn and special teams be the X-factor?

I want the Giants to win…it would be awesome to see them Kick Brady’s ass again.

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I think it’ll be Pats vs Giants. The Pats will just straight up outscore the Ravens, no way Joe Flaccid keeps up with Brady. Brady won’t throw 3 picks and Belicheck would execute someone for showing the level of stupidity exercised by Jacoby Jones. Ray Rice is good but you can’t outscore Brady running the ball.

I’m very torn between Giants and 9ers, both are playing great ball particularly on defense but the Giants have the advantage in the passing game and I would rank that over having a better run game. The sides will be close towards the end of the 4th and Eli will show his class.

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[quote]redstar144 wrote:
I think it’ll be Pats vs Giants. The Pats will just straight up outscore the Ravens, no way Joe Flaccid keeps up with Brady. Brady won’t throw 3 picks and Belicheck would execute someone for showing the level of stupidity exercised by Jacoby Jones. Ray Rice is good but you can’t outscore Brady running the ball.

I’m very torn between Giants and 9ers, both are playing great ball particularly on defense but the Giants have the advantage in the passing game and I would rank that over having a better run game. The sides will be close towards the end of the 4th and Eli will show his class.[/quote]

You must be on a LOT of drugs. The Saints clearly had the advantage over the Niners in the passing game, on paper, and they still lost. As good as Manning and that offense is playing right now, it is NOT the same caliber passing attack as the Saints’. And forget about the previous time they played the Niners. They were without Frank Gore for three-plus quarters.

I think the big thing the Giants have going for them right now is the balance they have on offense. That being said, the Niners can make a team one-dimensional and th Giants’ biggest strength right now on offense, balance, may be a weakness of sorts if the Niners can effectively shut down the run. As good as Manning is, a lot of his success is predicated on play-action and I don’t think he’s nearly the same QB if the defense doesn’t have to bring an extra man down to account for the run.

My worry is that the Giants will be able to get to Smith a lot without blitzing. When the Saints got burned is when the O-line picked up the blitz well, and for whatever reason they did so while leaving Davis in man coverage. Smith is good enough to make the right throw off a hot read and all that, but the O-line had some serious lapses there as well. If they can get pressure without blitzing, Smith is going to have throw through some tight windows more often and their WRs are going to have to get separation, something they’ve struggled with at times. No one on that team is going to shut down Davis by themselves, but if they can bracket him with an LB and a safety it takes away a lot of what the Niners like to do. If Delanie Walker, who’s expected to be back for this game, can contribute on offense I like their chances more.

But the other thing is that the Giants consistently brought NINE guys into the box against the Niners, especially with their two tight end, two RB formation. Harbaugh and his staff is so good at making adjustments that if they try that shit again they’re gonna get burned in the passing game. And if they play the run straight up, well, the Niners have proven over and over they can run very, very well. Strategically, this game will be very interesting. I think a LOT of this game is going to come down to halftime adjustments.

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The giants offense wasn’t really balanced yesterday, their running game was once again below average, the only score on the run came when the game was for all intents and purposes was over…The Giants didn’t have a run game against the niners in the regular season only rushed for 90 yards that game could have gone either way

The Giants were also w/o half of their defense the first time they played the niners, so bear that in mind as well. No Osi, Tuck injured, no Kenny Phillips.

If Eli and his receivers are on their game there isn’t much the niners secondary can do but get burned…

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[quote]MattyXL wrote:
The giants offense wasn’t really balanced yesterday, their running game was once again below average, the only score on the run came when the game was for all intents and purposes was over…The Giants didn’t have a run game against the niners in the regular season only rushed for 90 yards that game could have gone either way

The Giants were also w/o half of their defense the first time they played the niners, so bear that in mind as well. No Osi, Tuck injured, no Kenny Phillips.

If Eli and his receivers are on their game there isn’t much the niners secondary can do but get burned…

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That’s a mighty bold statement to say about the Niners’ secondary. They played really well for three quarters and really, it took a couple pretty spectacular plays in the fourth to go ahead against them. Despite Brees’ gaudy numbers, a lot of his yardage wasn’t against the secondary. It came on checkdown passes and against players matched up in coverage against the Niners’ LBs. The secondary actually played extremely well and I should think they’ve dispelled any notion of being “weak”. If they play that way again, it’ll be much more difficult for Manning to get on track. The Niners gave up a lot of yardage to RBs out of the backfield and Bradshaw and Jacobs aren’t the receiving threats that Sproles is. Graham was a good matchup for the Saints against Patrick Willis. Willis on Ballard is a laughably uneven advantage for the Niners.

The only area on offense for the Giants that I see any sort of remotely favorable matchup is when the Giants get into a 3- or 4-wide, single back formation, especially if they somehow get Cruz matched up in single coverage against Chris Culliver or Tarell Brown. But the Niners have one helluva pair of safeties in Pro Bowl free safety Goldson and strong safety Whitner. But that formation puts them into an obviously one-dimensional formation and the Niners’ defense is just too good to be one-dimensional for four quarters and succeed.

Also, yes, the Giants didn’t run well against the Niners. No team has all year, and they’ve faced much better rushing attacks than the Giants have. Shit, they even shut down Ray Rice coming off only 4 days’ rest and playing in Baltimore. Yes, that game was close, but the Niners still won with ZERO rushing yards from Frank Gore. So I don’t expect things to be any different this week, aside from more production from Gore

Also, there was a bit of imbalance in the Giants’ offense against the Packers because the matchups dictated as much. The Packers’ secondary has been horrible all year. The Niners’ secondary is MUCH better than the Packers’. Shit, I think a huge problem for the Giants is going to be containing the two Smiths. Justin Smith fucking dominated three different Pro Bowl linemen and Aldon Smith wasn’t far behind with one sack and 7 hits/hurries on Brees.

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I’m rooting for a Niners vs. Ravens Superbowl. I want a defensive “boring” game to watch!! Also we need a team from the west coast.

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See it’s not that there aren’t people on these boards who think the 9ers are good/will win/etc, it’s that DB says everything that needs to be said, so everyone else can sit back and wait til gameday =p

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Any Giants fans.
Will the sloppy field due to the rain this coming week be a hindrance to your speed rushing DEs? Osi and Pierre-Paul are devastating coming off the line with their speed.
A few analysts have said NY will bring 4 and drop 7 to fluster Smith, so I expect a lot of Gore and Hunter for this game.

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As a Giants fan, I was happy the Niners beat the Saints, because I think the Saints’ offense would’ve run roughshod over the Jints’ defense (again) in the Dome. The Niners were lucky (yes, that’s right) to beat the Saints; with the amount of turnovers the game should not have been close, and in the Saints’ favor. Plus someone remind my again why Greg Williams is supposed to be some kind of defensive whiz? The Niners have exactly ONE playmaker in the passing game -Vernon Davis-, so why is he not getting double-teamed on that last drive??? Or for that matter the entire game?

That first Jints-Niners game was a tossup. I don’t know how anyone can say one team or the other has a clear advantage, objectively speaking. I’m obviously biased, but the Jints are definitely playing better now than they were; conversely, you can also say Alex Smith will certainly be more confident (and therefore “better”) than he was also.

Eli Manning is more underrated as a money QB than the Niners are as a team.

I live in the Bay Area, so I’ll still be ok if the Niners win. Win-win game. :slight_smile:

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[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]redstar144 wrote:
I think it’ll be Pats vs Giants. The Pats will just straight up outscore the Ravens, no way Joe Flaccid keeps up with Brady. Brady won’t throw 3 picks and Belicheck would execute someone for showing the level of stupidity exercised by Jacoby Jones. Ray Rice is good but you can’t outscore Brady running the ball.

I’m very torn between Giants and 9ers, both are playing great ball particularly on defense but the Giants have the advantage in the passing game and I would rank that over having a better run game. The sides will be close towards the end of the 4th and Eli will show his class.[/quote]

You must be on a LOT of drugs. The Saints clearly had the advantage over the Niners in the passing game, on paper, and they still lost. As good as Manning and that offense is playing right now, it is NOT the same caliber passing attack as the Saints’. And forget about the previous time they played the Niners. They were without Frank Gore for three-plus quarters.

I think the big thing the Giants have going for them right now is the balance they have on offense. That being said, the Niners can make a team one-dimensional and th Giants’ biggest strength right now on offense, balance, may be a weakness of sorts if the Niners can effectively shut down the run. As good as Manning is, a lot of his success is predicated on play-action and I don’t think he’s nearly the same QB if the defense doesn’t have to bring an extra man down to account for the run.

My worry is that the Giants will be able to get to Smith a lot without blitzing. When the Saints got burned is when the O-line picked up the blitz well, and for whatever reason they did so while leaving Davis in man coverage. Smith is good enough to make the right throw off a hot read and all that, but the O-line had some serious lapses there as well. If they can get pressure without blitzing, Smith is going to have throw through some tight windows more often and their WRs are going to have to get separation, something they’ve struggled with at times. No one on that team is going to shut down Davis by themselves, but if they can bracket him with an LB and a safety it takes away a lot of what the Niners like to do. If Delanie Walker, who’s expected to be back for this game, can contribute on offense I like their chances more.

But the other thing is that the Giants consistently brought NINE guys into the box against the Niners, especially with their two tight end, two RB formation. Harbaugh and his staff is so good at making adjustments that if they try that shit again they’re gonna get burned in the passing game. And if they play the run straight up, well, the Niners have proven over and over they can run very, very well. Strategically, this game will be very interesting. I think a LOT of this game is going to come down to halftime adjustments.[/quote]

Nope no drugs as of yet. Don’t forget that Drew Brees threw for 460 yards and 4tds so the 49ers secondary can be had. I know he had the two picks but he was putting the entire offense on his shoulders in a way Eli won’t have to. Eli isn’t as good as Bress (though he is close right now) but he doesn’t have to be.
The Giants defense is also considerably better than the NO defense that trotted out against the 49ers. I don’t see Alex Smith tearing it up against that formidable pass rush and improving secondary.

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[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]MattyXL wrote:
The giants offense wasn’t really balanced yesterday, their running game was once again below average, the only score on the run came when the game was for all intents and purposes was over…The Giants didn’t have a run game against the niners in the regular season only rushed for 90 yards that game could have gone either way

The Giants were also w/o half of their defense the first time they played the niners, so bear that in mind as well. No Osi, Tuck injured, no Kenny Phillips.

If Eli and his receivers are on their game there isn’t much the niners secondary can do but get burned…

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That’s a mighty bold statement to say about the Niners’ secondary. They played really well for three quarters and really, it took a couple pretty spectacular plays in the fourth to go ahead against them. Despite Brees’ gaudy numbers, a lot of his yardage wasn’t against the secondary. It came on checkdown passes and against players matched up in coverage against the Niners’ LBs. The secondary actually played extremely well and I should think they’ve dispelled any notion of being “weak”. If they play that way again, it’ll be much more difficult for Manning to get on track. The Niners gave up a lot of yardage to RBs out of the backfield and Bradshaw and Jacobs aren’t the receiving threats that Sproles is. Graham was a good matchup for the Saints against Patrick Willis. Willis on Ballard is a laughably uneven advantage for the Niners.

The only area on offense for the Giants that I see any sort of remotely favorable matchup is when the Giants get into a 3- or 4-wide, single back formation, especially if they somehow get Cruz matched up in single coverage against Chris Culliver or Tarell Brown. But the Niners have one helluva pair of safeties in Pro Bowl free safety Goldson and strong safety Whitner. But that formation puts them into an obviously one-dimensional formation and the Niners’ defense is just too good to be one-dimensional for four quarters and succeed.

Also, yes, the Giants didn’t run well against the Niners. No team has all year, and they’ve faced much better rushing attacks than the Giants have. Shit, they even shut down Ray Rice coming off only 4 days’ rest and playing in Baltimore. Yes, that game was close, but the Niners still won with ZERO rushing yards from Frank Gore. So I don’t expect things to be any different this week, aside from more production from Gore

Also, there was a bit of imbalance in the Giants’ offense against the Packers because the matchups dictated as much. The Packers’ secondary has been horrible all year. The Niners’ secondary is MUCH better than the Packers’. Shit, I think a huge problem for the Giants is going to be containing the two Smiths. Justin Smith fucking dominated three different Pro Bowl linemen and Aldon Smith wasn’t far behind with one sack and 7 hits/hurries on Brees.[/quote]

  • Cant really disagree with much here, but know that the Giants offense is predicated on the pass all year, Gilbride’s system is very pass happy it really isnt predicated on what opposing defenses give them.

  • its not saying much that your defense has stopped better rushing attacks as the Giants running attack this year has been full of suck, cant hang your hat on stopping the running attack of the Giants, most teams have.

  • Eli isnt Brees, this is true, Alex Smith isnt Rodgers, this is true as well.

  • JPP, Boley, Osi and Tuck are going to give your O-line and Smith headaches just as the Smiths with give the Giants headaches.

Both teams are heading into the game relatively healthy and running on all cylinders it should be a very close and exciting game to watch.

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[quote]fnf wrote:
Any Giants fans.
Will the sloppy field due to the rain this coming week be a hindrance to your speed rushing DEs? Osi and Pierre-Paul are devastating coming off the line with their speed.
A few analysts have said NY will bring 4 and drop 7 to fluster Smith, so I expect a lot of Gore and Hunter for this game. [/quote]

Osi concerns me because he has been banged up all year, I believe JPP will be fine, I gotta say if the Niners were playing against any other NFC team I would be rooting for the Niners hard.

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If the Ravens play like they did Sunday against the Texans, the Patriots will beat them by three touchdowns. Jacoby Jones completely woke up the Ravens with that inexplicable fielding of the punt in the 1st quarter.

Giants are starting to peak again at the right time. As a Patriots fan, the first game this year was frustrating to watch. It was right around the same time they played Dallas. I was at that game and Demarcus Ware was a one man wrecking crew. I think however the Patriots have fixed the issues they had at that time.

Call it east coast bias, call me an idiot, I think out of the 4 teams left, the 49ers are the weakest. I’m picking a Patriots / Giants Super Bowl Rematch. Hopefully the outcome will be different

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Their is rumor down here in the commonwealth that not only do the Jets have a shot at Peyton that their is talk of a trade of Holmes & Wayne being a free agent that he could/would sign w/the Jets.

Far fetched I know. But it is interesting fodder. What’s you hearin’ up there Matty?

As for Cooper, I’ve yet to receive a new avi. & I’ve extended myself twice through PM’s. So for you Giant fans, go ahead & put your money where your mouth is.

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[quote]print wrote:
Their is rumor down here in the commonwealth that not only do the Jets have a shot at Peyton that their is talk of a trade of Holmes & Wayne being a free agent that he could/would sign w/the Jets.

Far fetched I know. But it is interesting fodder. What’s you hearin’ up there Matty?

As for Cooper, I’ve yet to receive a new avi. & I’ve extended myself twice through PM’s. So for you Giant fans, go ahead & put your money where your mouth is. [/quote]

Caldwell gets fired, they are in the process of finding a new coach.

Hard to say where they will go until they get a staff in place and GM and staff sit down to plan. If they blow the hole team up and draft Luck then I could see them moving Peyton. If they want a transition the team then they will keep Peyton.

Now all it is, is rumor and hopeful dreams.

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^Don’t have much interest in Peyton. However picking up Wayne would allow us to go O line or safety in the draft.

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[quote]print wrote:
^Don’t have much interest in Peyton. However picking up Wayne would allow us to go O line or safety in the draft.[/quote]

This league is about QB and DE, period. Look at who is left in the dance.

An outstanding Elite QB can overcome a average D, like Brady. With the QB that the Jets have he is a Romo a slightly above average QB that will have flashes. He will only be as good as his Defense can support him. Jets D has declined the past few years, if Rex can shore up that D you guys have a chance. This has been what I have bitched about the Cowboys, our Defense has sucked for many years. If JJ doesnt invest heavy in the D the we will be a mediocre team for more years to come. I just see your team about that same path as mine has been on.

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[quote]print wrote:
Their is rumor down here in the commonwealth that not only do the Jets have a shot at Peyton that their is talk of a trade of Holmes & Wayne being a free agent that he could/would sign w/the Jets.

Far fetched I know. But it is interesting fodder. What’s you hearin’ up there Matty?

As for Cooper, I’ve yet to receive a new avi. & I’ve extended myself twice through PM’s. So for you Giant fans, go ahead & put your money where your mouth is. [/quote]

Bullshit! I’ve sent you three fucking PMs! I don’t know how you can’t manage to change your avatar. I’m totally computer illiterate and even I figured it out after I lost a bet to Rajraj. Figure it out dude. You lost the bet; it’s your responsibility to get the avatar changed. I already told you that it’s one of the first pictures that pops up if you enter “gays” into Bing’s search engine. At this point you owe me more than three extra days of using it after the Super Bowl.