250iu E3D from your first shot until a week or so out from PCT.
Clomid won’t make your test levels past a TRT dose and isn’t likely to get you in the upper bounds. I wouldn’t be too concerned about that since it can be used for testosterone therapy and most of your test and hg should be cleared anyway. HCG can also induce aromatization at the leydig cells. That can’t be controlled by an AI. Not that I disagree with you about running an AI around the PCT time frame. I would take it during HCG use, but that also depends on how much HCG you run. If you have been using it the entire time, there is no need to blast large quantities. If you blast large quantities, you are looking at about 1000 -1500 iu’s three times per week to get TRT levels. There isn’t an insane quantity of test being produced from HCG.
I would take my AI through the HCG considering there is still test metabolizing and into the PCT for just a little bit. Maybe a week and then come off.
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Ok so with all the information from you guys does this seem like the correct way to go about this?
Weeks 1-4 dbol 50 mg ED split into two doses
Weeks 1-12 test e 250mg E3D
Weeks 1-13 HCG 250iu E3D
Weeks 1-13 arimidex .5mg EOD
Weeks 15-21 nolvadex 40/40/20/20/10/10 ED
Do I take the HCG on the same days as I inject test?
On the same day as the test will be fine. Would highly recommend running clomid with the nolvadex at 50mg a day, they are not interchangeable drugs per say and if you had to pick one it should be clomid, not nolvadex. Other than that it all looks good.
Ok I will do that. Thank you so much for your help I really appreciate it.
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I forgot to add my arimidex I edited my previous post should I taper down while on HCG or just continue to run it at .5
Make it simple and just continue at 0.5mg until a day out from PCT. Keep it simple.
hi, after 6 week turinabol at 60mg day , my test didnt recover to the previous values … i am stucked on 370. lost 10 pounds of my pre-turinabol weight and gained gyno. nolva for 3 months didnt solve issue.
what do you think happened?
How long since PCT and what did you run? What were your levels beforehand?
Your T-Bol was most likely D-Bol as T-Bol is a non-aromatizable compound. Nolva also does not solve the issue of gyno, it is used as more of a preventative, the only way to actually reduce gyno is surgery, this is why people should research before starting something like AAS (no offence meant). How bad is it?
Hi.
No offence taken.
Dec-2015 i tooked an oral compound for 6 weeks . Tbol 60 mg. I was 36 yold, 94 kgs and never had touched AAS before. my t level before was 560.
I gained 6 kgs. I was adviced to donot a pct, because it was a mild compound.
I started loosing weight , i measured T one month later and it was 350. After 2 months i was 91 kgs, and was allways losing muscle and gaining fat.
i noticed i gained a bit of gyno, very mild… i started nolva 20 mg for 3 months. T value went to 800. i lost more weight into 88 kgs. i droppped nolva and gyno started to grow again.
Test is 370 again.
I went to surgery to eliminate gyno and this week ill start clomid 3x a week 12.5 eod.
i cant understand why my gyno was allways growing even if estrogen was on 20-30.
i suppose it was not a coumpound problem, but me who had the bad luck of not recovering properly after my first and last AAS experience.
Best thing to do is run clomid at 50mg per day and nolva at 20mg per day for 6 weeks, wait 3 months, reassess bloods and see where your levels are at then, it’s best to avoid TRT if possible in my opinion.
What was your E2 reading when you measured your T? I am almost positive that if was D-Bol, especially with a weight gain of 6kg in 6 weeks, a lot of that would of had to have been water and T-Bol only produces lean gains, even guys on a gram of test a week should not expect to gain a kg of lean tissue a week, it’s absurd. Tell your mate that gave it to you and advised not to PCT that he is a retard, it’ll achieve nothing but you feel better, I would at least.
Either way, best to lean down to around 12%ish first and see how the gyno looks then and if you really need surgery (I have slight gyno that’s only noticeable above 15%, I’m fine with it).
i went for the surgery. it’s done.
my main concern now is the low test. 290.
Cant understand why i didnt recover just like everybodyelse.
I am on Clomid+AI in orde to put my values ok, so i can recover my body back.
I suppose this experience tells me that i should avoid being supress.
Have you heard cases similar to mine ?
thks
It does happen but it’s rare, especially after a single oral cycle, I had to blast fuck knows what for years to shut me down properly.
See how you get on with the clomid, if you are still low in 6 months (which I doubt) I would then be looking into TRT personally, but only if you feel you need it, being a slave to injections is not the best IMO.