New to TRT/HCG

Also seeing your original PSA score you’ve gone up 2.2 points (in 5 months?), For comparison mine has risen 0.01 in a year. Not sure at what point you need to be concerned.

Has your GP had site of this test? Or just private provider? And if just private provider have you spoken to their Dr or just a facilitator?

1 Like

Try injecting daily or EOD to minimize side effects. You can do the same with the TRT, the smaller shots can greatly minimize side effects.

Unless you already experienced gyno as a younger man, let’s just say I have never heard of a single case where a guy developed gyno who didn’t already experience earlier in life. Your hormones will be fluctuating whenever you change your TRT doses and hormones will become stable at 6 weeks. When hormones are in flux it’s perfectly normal to experience nipple tenderness and even burning sensation and is transient.

When my estrogen is too high, my testicles shrink and I’m not even on HCG.

1 Like

Hi Alex

I’ve spoken to their Dr, not my GP though

I do need to keep an eye on PSA, my father had prostate cancer, although apparently the link between PSA and prostate cancer is nowhere near as strong as they used to think!

Thanks

Go and see an urologist asap, especially with your family history! You either have prostatitis or you are feeding a preexisting tumor with the T.

2 Likes

Good to see you dropped by this thread it seemed significant to me but don’t have the knowledge to give anymore comment than it seems significant, glad you can give something a bit more specific!

1 Like

I’ve just googled Prostatis and have none of the symptoms there. I’m getting more blood done tomorrow- will see what those results say.

I had my prostate checked before starting the T, but will go back if the next tests look bad.

The Dr reviewed those last results and wasn’t too concerned although you are worrying me now!

I’ve just had my results back from Monday’s test. Seem OK.

Annoyingly there was a mistake and they didn’t mention PSA or Cholesterol which I really wanted to see- will get PSA measured in 4 weeks.

The test results look much better to me though- hopefully someone can comment?

Lastly, I am thinking of dropping the HCG. My skin is terrible, acne on my shoulders, white-heads on my chest. I don’t want more kids so it seems like the right move- either that or reduce the HCG down to a lower dose?

If your doc isnt concerned about a 2.2 ug/l increase in PSA within this short period of time than immediately get a new one. NOW not in 4 weeks.

PSA is primarily an organ marker and not a tumor marker, but you want to clarify this NOW.

They are going to run a PSA check on my blood from Monday, hopefully will have the results today. Will post them when they come through, hopefully they look better.

1 Like

Still waiting for the PSA results.

In the meantime, since stopping the HCG my balls feel cold! No pain, but definitely cold. My be in my head but has anyone else noticed similar?

Thanks

I have my PSA- hopefully this means that high reading was an anomoly.

The Dr did say it could have been due to a recent “eruption event” LOL!

Thats very good news! Happy for you!

But keep an eye on that and maybe recheck in 2 or 3 months just to be on the safe side.

1 Like

Thanks Johann, and thanks for your help so far.

I’m going back in 4 weeks. Will get the more extensive test done then.

Do my T numbers look OK?

I’m coming off the HCG to see how I feel from that too. Thanks

For me the numbers are quite high, maybe too high. But you will definitely get a different response on depending whom you ask.

More importantly, how do you feel? Any dose limiting side effects such as sleep apnea, water retention (could be temporary), high blood pressure, high HCT, sleep problems etc.?

Edit: just saw that you posted bloodwork 2 months in incl. HCT and lipids. Looks good, if you feel good than stick to the protocol. Many different views on the need for hCG. It definitely keeps testicular size up but any other effect on libido etc is highly individual. I would drop it and see how you fell without it if having any more kids is off the table.

Thanks for your reply.

I feel OK. My libido isn’t great but everything else seems fine. I don’t think the HCG did much to stop the ball shrinkage so am just going to deal with it. Will see how the next 4 weeks go. I can always go back to the HCG. The acne really annoyed me though, both on my back and chest. Not good at all. That seems to be clearing up quickly. Hopefully the libido increases in time too.

Hi guys.

I’ve had my most recent blood back, wondered if brighter minds than mine could cast their eyes over them? I eat a Keto diet, which probably explains the cholesterol. Currently weigh 88kg.

Should I worry about my LH / FSH being low? Or my haematocrit level being high?

Test Result Normal Range Units Comment
BIOCHEMISTRY
25 OH Vitamin D H 223 50 - 200 nmol/L
LIVER FUNCTION TESTS
Albumin 49 35 - 50 g/L
LIPIDS
Cholesterol H 8.3 <5 mmol/L
Triglycerides 0.77 <1.8 (Fasting) mmol/L
Non-Fasting: <2.3 mmol/L
HDL Cholesterol H 2.11 0.9 - 1.7 mmol/L
HDL % of Total 25 >20 %
Non HDL Cholesterol H 6.19 <3.9 mmol/L
LDL Cholesterol H 5.8 <3.0 mmol/L
THYROID FUNCTION TESTS
Thyroid Stim. Hormone 1.33 0.270 - 4.2 mIU/L
Free Thyroxine (FT4) 17.0 12 - 22 pmol/L
TUMOUR MARKERS
Prostate Specific Ag (Total) 1.54 <2.5 ug/L
Method: Hybritech WHO
ENDOCRINOLOGY
Luteinising Hormone L <0.2 1.24 - 8.62 IU/L
Follicle Stim. Hormone L <0.2 1.27 - 19.26 IU/L
17-Beta Oestradiol 118 36 - 146.8 pmol/L
Sex Hormone Binding Glob 39 16.5 - 55.9 nmol/L
Please note addition of gender specific ref ranges - 20 Nov 2020
Prolactin 217 56 - 279 mIU/L
Testosterone H 44.99 8.64 - 29 nmol/L
Free Testosterone H 0.970 0.198 - 0.619 nmol/L
Haemoglobin (g/L) 168 130 - 180 g/L
Red Cell Count 5.26 4.4 - 6.5 1012/L
Hct H 0.522 0.40 - 0.52 L/L
MCV 99.3 80 - 100 fL
MCH 32.0 27 - 32 pg
MCHC (g/L) 322 320 - 360 g/L
RDW H 15.1 11.5 - 15 %
Platelets 169 150 - 450 109/L
MPV 10.3 7 - 13 fL
White Cell Count 4.5 3 - 11 109/L
Neutrophils 3.60 2 - 7.5 109/L
Lymphocytes L 0.70 1.5 - 4.5 109/L
Monocytes L 0.10 0.2 - 0.8 109/L
Eosinophils 0.10 0 - 0.4 109/L
Basophils 0 0 - 0.1 109/L
Neutrophils % 80.8 %
Lymphocytes % 14.8 %
Monocytes % 2.1 %
Eosinophils % 2.3 %
Basophils % 0 %

LH &FSH will be very low or undetectable if you’re taking exogenous testosterone, that’s to be expected. HCT is just right at the top of the range, I think that’s fine too. Giving blood is always a nice thing to do though, but I don’t see a need to. [Not a doc]

Thanks Wolf. Would you change anything there?

Based on your numbers, no I wouldn’t see a need to change anything [not a doc]. Your test levels and hct are right about what I run and my doc is fine with it. He might prefer the hct to be a bit lower, I’m bouncing around the upper number on my labs.

What dose and inj frequency are you doing and how long have you been doing it? I guess the main question is how do you feel?

Thanks a lot

I’ve been doing it for a year now, although gave up HCG in Jan, to just TRT since.

I take .2ml Monday and Thursday.

Feel OK, although I’m sick and on antibiotics at the moment which doesn’t help. Usually feel good though, much better than pre-TRT!!

They suggested I give blood, which I guess would help my HCT, I can’t give blood till I finish the antibiotics though

Thanks again.