[quote]slimjim wrote:
ZEB wrote:
slimjim wrote:
fahd wrote:
God is all-benevolent, omnipresent and all-powerful.
Why is their a contradiction?
THERE is a contradiction because if that were true, bad things wouldn’t happen in the world.
Oh darn Slim you forgot about free will!
Yes, but if we have free will, then God is not all-powerful because he gave up some of his power in order that we do have free will. On the other hand, if God is all-powerful and we don’t have free will, then he is not all compassionate. [/quote]
You are assuming that he cannot be omnipotent and yet still give us free will.
Your assumptionis false!
If we did not have free will we would be nothing more than robotic slaves.
You are assuming that he cannot be omnipotent and yet still give us free will.
Your assumptionis false!
If we did not have free will we would be nothing more than robotic slaves.
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He can’t be both. If we have free will, he can’t stop us from doing things, he is not all powerful. On the other hand, if he is all powerful, we don’t have free will, and everything in the world is God’s will and we are just following his plan.
First the girls behavior, although extreme and fetishistic in ways, is typical of juvenile female sex offender behavior. Typically in these cases, and they are rare so typically is not a term I would prefer to use, the girl will exert control over younger children and force them to perfom acts on each other, often with the girl having little contact herself with the victims. In this case, she controlled the victim, made him submit to her, and used a dog. Could have just as easily been a dildo, hairbrush, rolling pin, etc. . In all likleihood, she herself may have been a victim of sexual abuse of some kind.
Now does that give her an excuse?
Hell no.
What she did was evil and sick. As I said the general behavior pattern fits a trend seen in juvenile female offenders. Control of victim. But the use of the dog, the forced humiliation, it takes it to a new level of depravity. This is the kind of offender who will one day vicitmize her own children or other children she has access to. The problem with the Judges rsponse is a combination of a biased and narrow view by a judge, (oh shes a girl she couldn’t hurt a boy, and whats 10 seconds of penetration, just kids playing grab ass), and a legal system that is reluctant to hammer a female offender like they would a male. The double standard strikes again.
And as far as settign the girl up with a St. Bernard as has been suggested, why not send her to Seattle to visit the guy with the horse.
You are assuming that he cannot be omnipotent and yet still give us free will.
Your assumptionis false!
If we did not have free will we would be nothing more than robotic slaves.
He can’t be both. If we have free will, he can’t stop us from doing things, he is not all powerful. On the other hand, if he is all powerful, we don’t have free will, and everything in the world is God’s will and we are just following his plan. [/quote]
What if God wanted us to have free will so we can CHOOSE to love him? Without freedom, their can be no moral goodness.
And thank you by judging my opionion on the last paragraph of my last post; I didn’t write such a long post for people just to read the last two sentences.
[quote]slimjim wrote:
fahd wrote:
This is a tricky topic, and I myself is still thinking on this one. But here is my humble opinion:
Joy and pain, day and night, love and hate, perfect and imperfect; these are all concepts which only exists when the opposite exists. In other words, you will not appreciate what life is without death, and you will not know what joy is without suffering.
Therefore, tragedies like these are necessary in a relative world. Only in an absolute world, e.g. heaven, will love be all there is.
On the other hand, if I were to take the Bible literally, I would argue that Man-Kind disturbed the natural order of the otherwise perfect universe through their sinning in the garden of Eve.
Going to a private Christian High school helps,
Fahd
Ah yes, the good old Eve argument, have you been reading “Confessions” and blaming those evil women again? [/quote]
You are offically an idiot. Read the post before you post.
You are assuming that he cannot be omnipotent and yet still give us free will.
Your assumptionis false!
If we did not have free will we would be nothing more than robotic slaves.
He can’t be both. If we have free will, he can’t stop us from doing things, he is not all powerful. On the other hand, if he is all powerful, we don’t have free will, and everything in the world is God’s will and we are just following his plan. [/quote]
It is because he is all powerful that He gives us free will, and an infinite number of choices and paths down which out lives lead. God has one goal, one purpose for each of us. How you get their is up to you, if you get their at all, hence we have free will to make those choices.
In the dog case, the victim had his free will taken away by threat or coercion of some form. A to teh arguement, “well where was God when he was being raped”, God was here with him. Yes it was horrid, yes it was evil, and yes, he is still alive and can go on with his life. All things happen for a reason, I believe this most of all, good and bad things. It may take a lifetime to see those reasons and we as shortlived humans should realize that, but the reasons do come out.
You are assuming that he cannot be omnipotent and yet still give us free will.
Your assumptionis false!
If we did not have free will we would be nothing more than robotic slaves.
He can’t be both. If we have free will, he can’t stop us from doing things, he is not all powerful. On the other hand, if he is all powerful, we don’t have free will, and everything in the world is God’s will and we are just following his plan. [/quote]
You didn’t really address Zeb’s point about how he could be all powerful, but choose not to exercise this power. If he doesn’t have control over his own power he’s not all-powerful either is he?
You could also think about the free will question like this: if God is omniscient, then he already knows the eternal fate of your soul when he creates it. So if God knows how you are going to exercise the free will that he gives you, is it really free will?
Let’s continue this under the new thread titled “Theodicy” under the appropriately named “Get a Life” portion of the forum so as to not clog up this thread a bit off topic.
[quote]danreeves1973 wrote:
Yes it was horrid, yes it was evil, and yes, he is still alive and can go on with his life. All things happen for a reason, I believe this most of all, good and bad things. It may take a lifetime to see those reasons and we as shortlived humans should realize that, but the reasons do come out. [/quote]
There is no possible reason for a lot of the stuff that happens in this world. This is one of them