New Iraqi Strategy

[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
JeffR wrote:
storey420 wrote:

LIAR!!!

JeffR

Whether it is his holistic cures for cancer or his badass military service storey420’s stoned stories do stretch the limits of credibility.
[/quote]

I never said I was a baddass, I just said I served, I went, and I watched people die. Yes my screen name has 420 in it, yes I still inhale occasionally, no I am not stoned all the time. But then again you’re Zap Branigan, so you must be just like your cartoon character cause your screen name says so.

Finally they are not my cures but yes in the clinic I work for and with practitioners around the country that I work with, I have seen hundreds of people heal themselves of their cancer using holistic practices.

You don’t need drugs to heal yourself and according to some research there is no mean survival time improvement for those that undergo chemotherapy as opposed to those that do nothing.

[quote]JeffR wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
JeffR wrote:
storey420 wrote:

LIAR!!!

JeffR

Whether it is his holistic cures for cancer or his badass military service storey420’s stoned stories do stretch the limits of credibility.

Zap,

It bothers me to no end when guys pull that stunt. I think it’s pretty easy to tell the guys who have been there. This guy isn’t one of them.

If storey wants this effort to fail, why not say so? Why all the deception.

I’d have more respect if he would say something like, “Nothing Bush does is correct and I can’t support anything he suggests.”

JeffR

[/quote]

I DO NOT WANT AMERICA TO FAIL IN ANY OF ITS ENDEAVORS. There Jeffy is that good enough or, using your Crescan like powers of perception, are you going to tell me what I think and how I feel again? Actually there are some cool things that Bush has done like creating the marine sanctuary in Hawaii.

I voted for him the first go around, I just can’t believe the gross power grabbing and horrible decision making that has gone on. I just don’t agree that more troops is the answer. In fact alot of people feel that way, even though it is clear that our voice is not going to persuade Bush. That doesn’t make us freedom haters, cowards, or whatever else your little GOP handbook says.

Can we keep this tread on track and focus on the war in Iraq instead of some lunatic, fringe Neo-Nazi diatribe?

After working with the Iraqi army/police during my first tour I think I know what the problem is… The Iraqi’s. Tehy won’t man up and control of their own destiny. They where and who the terrorist and insurgents but they don’t have the balls to do anything about it. Until that happens we’re gonna be there for a long time.

[quote]hedo wrote:
Awww how convenient your hiding behind concern for the troops and America.

Your too easy.

Nice try but I think you’ve demonstrated your primary concern is trying to get people to believe your silly conspiracies and flaunting your hatred of Jews.[/quote]

I don’t hate Jews - I hate the people who are trying to push the US into another disastrous preemptive war by lying, strong arming congress and taking out full page newspaper ads to scare and manipulate the public.

During its Washington policy conference in March, members of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee held more than 450 meetings with members of Congress in which Iran was among the major topics of discussion, AIPAC spokeswoman Jennifer Cannata said.
http://www.jta.org/page_view_story.asp?intarticleid=16593&intcategoryid=4

http://www.ajc.org/atf/cf/{42D75369-D582-4380-8395-D25925B85EAF}/AJC_IRAN_04042006_AD.PDF

As much as you love to make this an issue about me hating Jews, since that’s your only defense - the reality is it’s not the Chinese or short people or Catholics or Mexicans or any other group of people who got us into Iraq and who are trying to do the same with Iran. Behind almost every rant to bomb Iran sits another neocon - it’s just that simple.

Bomb Iran
Joshua Muravchik
Diplomacy is doing nothing to stop the Iranian nuclear threat; a show of force is the only answer

Joshua Muravchik
Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs: Board of Advisers

[quote]
have you done anything more…I’m really interested. Visited any wounded troopers? Sent any packages? Lot’s of great organizations can help you really demonstrate your concern other then spreading wacko theories. Would you like to learn about what soldiers need in the field and when they come home…since your so concerned.[/quote]

Yeah it’s a shame more of that $500 billion isn’t largely going toward the troops…
http://www.gnn.tv/print/1915/UPDATED_50_Cent_the_War_Profiteer_and_the_10_million_Bat_Mitzvah

Meanwhile I’ve donated almost $300 worth of AA batteries - big deal, I know.

It’s too bad I have to fend off charges of anti-Semitism just to bring up issues that the MSM won’t and that directly affect the safety of our troops.

Iraq Study Group: Israel-Palestinian Issue Key to Iraq Peace
“The United States will not be able to achieve its goals in the Middle East unless the United States deals directly with the Arab-Israeli conflict,” reads a recommendation from the group.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,234918,00.html

But once again Israel’s PR campaign goes into high gear to make sure the MSM keeps it on the down low…

Olmert Rejects Study Group’s Conclusion on Israel’s Conflicts
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,235087,00.html

Israel frets over Iraq report, dispatches FM to Washington
That report said progress towards Arab-Israeli peace was key to saving Iraq.

and ignoring this very important point helps the U.S. troops how?

I wonder why the Jewish media is bragging about something that isn’t true?

Division of congressional posts seems to favor Jewish issues
January 10, 2007
WASHINGTON, Jan. 9 (JTA) - The new Congress doesn’t just feature more Jews in powerful positions than the community has seen in more than a decade - it also features more friendly faces across the board, Jewish leaders say.

“A net positive” is how one pro-Israel activist described it…

No one [except Hedo] denies that the Republican-led U.S. House of Representatives, in power from 1995 until 2006, was overwhelmingly pro-Israel. But with Democratic wins in both houses, the 110th Congress removes from power several maverick Republicans who wanted the United States to be more critical of Israel, and boosts to leadership lawmakers who are not just Israel-friendly but intimately acquainted with the U.S. Jewish community.

That’s partly because some of the top leaders are from the community.

Rep. Tom Lantos (D-Calif.), the sole Holocaust survivor in Congress and one of Israel’s staunchest defenders in the House of Representatives, assumes control of the International Relations Committee. His deputy is Rep. Howard Berman (D-Calif.), also Jewish…

Four of the committee’s seven [Middle East] subcommittee chairmen are likely to be Jewish, though the positions will only be formalized by week’s end:

  • In line for chairmanship of the Middle East subcommittee is Rep. Gary Ackerman (D-N.Y.);

  • Rep. Brad Sherman (D-Calif.) is set to head the International Terrorism and Nonproliferation subcommittee;

  • Rep. Eliot Engel (D-N.Y.) is ready to helm the Western Hemisphere subcommittee, which deals in part with terrorist and Islamist incursions in the Americas; and

  • Rep. Robert Wexler (D-Fla.) is set to take over Europe and Emerging Threats, which deals with anti-Semitism on that continent…

Jews in chairmanship positions include:

In other words to point out something that THEY themselves eagerly brag about gets you branded a Jew hater, conspiracy theorist. The only reason I keep bringing the subject up is because it needs to be brought out for open debate.

The Iraq Study Group says the key to stabilizing Iraq is in the Israeli/Palestinian conflict - where is that debate in the media?

Instead we get as a solution, escalation in Iraq and a coming war with IRAN.

But I should pretend I don’t notice…

[quote]jsbrook wrote:
Can we keep this tread on track and focus on the war in Iraq instead of some lunatic, fringe Neo-Nazi diatribe?[/quote]

That’s the problem, always steering AWAY from the real issue…

Iraq Study Group: Israel-Palestinian Issue Key to Iraq Peace
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,234918,00.html

[quote]JustTheFacts wrote:
hedo wrote:
Awww how convenient your hiding behind concern for the troops and America.

Your too easy.

Nice try but I think you’ve demonstrated your primary concern is trying to get people to believe your silly conspiracies and flaunting your hatred of Jews.

I don’t hate Jews - I hate the people who are trying to push the US into another disastrous preemptive war by lying, strong arming congress and taking out full page newspaper ads to scare and manipulate the public.

During its Washington policy conference in March, members of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee held more than 450 meetings with members of Congress in which Iran was among the major topics of discussion, AIPAC spokeswoman Jennifer Cannata said.
http://www.jta.org/page_view_story.asp?intarticleid=16593&intcategoryid=4

http://www.ajc.org/atf/cf/{42D75369-D582-4380-8395-D25925B85EAF}/AJC_IRAN_04042006_AD.PDF

As much as you love to make this an issue about me hating Jews, since that’s your only defense - the reality is it’s not the Chinese or short people or Catholics or Mexicans or any other group of people who got us into Iraq and who are trying to do the same with Iran. Behind almost every rant to bomb Iran sits another neocon - it’s just that simple.

Bomb Iran
Joshua Muravchik
Diplomacy is doing nothing to stop the Iranian nuclear threat; a show of force is the only answer

Joshua Muravchik
Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs: Board of Advisers

have you done anything more…I’m really interested. Visited any wounded troopers? Sent any packages? Lot’s of great organizations can help you really demonstrate your concern other then spreading wacko theories. Would you like to learn about what soldiers need in the field and when they come home…since your so concerned.

Yeah it’s a shame more of that $500 billion isn’t largely going toward the troops…
http://www.gnn.tv/print/1915/UPDATED_50_Cent_the_War_Profiteer_and_the_10_million_Bat_Mitzvah

Meanwhile I’ve donated almost $300 worth of AA batteries - big deal, I know.

It’s too bad I have to fend off charges of anti-Semitism just to bring up issues that the MSM won’t and that directly affect the safety of our troops.

Iraq Study Group: Israel-Palestinian Issue Key to Iraq Peace
“The United States will not be able to achieve its goals in the Middle East unless the United States deals directly with the Arab-Israeli conflict,” reads a recommendation from the group.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,234918,00.html

But once again Israel’s PR campaign goes into high gear to make sure the MSM keeps it on the down low…

Olmert Rejects Study Group’s Conclusion on Israel’s Conflicts
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,235087,00.html

Israel frets over Iraq report, dispatches FM to Washington
That report said progress towards Arab-Israeli peace was key to saving Iraq.

and ignoring this very important point helps the U.S. troops how?

Now stopy lying and spin a yarn about the FEMA camps, black helicopters, area 51, Roswell, New WOrld Order, Illuminati, The BIg Lie. I mean come on you have to spread the conspiracies around and this one is getting bit boring for the rest of us.

I wonder why the Jewish media is bragging about something that isn’t true?

Division of congressional posts seems to favor Jewish issues
January 10, 2007
WASHINGTON, Jan. 9 (JTA) - The new Congress doesn’t just feature more Jews in powerful positions than the community has seen in more than a decade - it also features more friendly faces across the board, Jewish leaders say.

“A net positive” is how one pro-Israel activist described it…

No one [except Hedo] denies that the Republican-led U.S. House of Representatives, in power from 1995 until 2006, was overwhelmingly pro-Israel. But with Democratic wins in both houses, the 110th Congress removes from power several maverick Republicans who wanted the United States to be more critical of Israel, and boosts to leadership lawmakers who are not just Israel-friendly but intimately acquainted with the U.S. Jewish community.

That’s partly because some of the top leaders are from the community.

Rep. Tom Lantos (D-Calif.), the sole Holocaust survivor in Congress and one of Israel’s staunchest defenders in the House of Representatives, assumes control of the International Relations Committee. His deputy is Rep. Howard Berman (D-Calif.), also Jewish…

Four of the committee’s seven [Middle East] subcommittee chairmen are likely to be Jewish, though the positions will only be formalized by week’s end:

  • In line for chairmanship of the Middle East subcommittee is Rep. Gary Ackerman (D-N.Y.);

  • Rep. Brad Sherman (D-Calif.) is set to head the International Terrorism and Nonproliferation subcommittee;

  • Rep. Eliot Engel (D-N.Y.) is ready to helm the Western Hemisphere subcommittee, which deals in part with terrorist and Islamist incursions in the Americas; and

  • Rep. Robert Wexler (D-Fla.) is set to take over Europe and Emerging Threats, which deals with anti-Semitism on that continent…

Jews in chairmanship positions include:

In other words to point out something that THEY themselves eagerly brag about gets you branded a Jew hater, conspiracy theorist. The only reason I keep bringing the subject up is because it needs to be brought out for open debate.

The Iraq Study Group says the key to stabilizing Iraq is in the Israeli/Palestinian conflict - where is that debate in the media?

Instead we get as a solution, escalation in Iraq and a coming war with IRAN.

But I should pretend I don’t notice…[/quote]

You are accused of being anti-semetic because you are. You are obsessed with Jews and Israel. Every post you make references a Jewish conspiracy. You have to realize you are either ignored or ridiculed every time you post.

Surely a conspiracy website would be a more fertile ground for you wack therories rather then a BB site.

Then again maybe the Mossad has transformed you into a Targeted Individual and is manipulating your thoughts so as to cover their tru intentions by exposing them thereby hiding in plain sight…brilliant.

I’m done with you now. No use kicking a cowering man.

JTF,

I don’t know if this will sink in, but you claim conspiracies EVERYWHERE. That is a problem.

You might be like the guy in the movie “Conspiracy Theory” and actually hit on one some time. However, nobody will ever know which one it was.

We simply can’t live our lives or invest our time thinking all the bullshit you pump out has any basis in reality.

You are your own worst enemy with respect to the credibility of the materials you are posting…

[quote]hedo wrote:
You are accused of being anti-semetic because you are. You are obsessed with Jews and Israel. Every post you make references a Jewish conspiracy. You have to realize you are either ignored or ridiculed every time you post.

Surely a conspiracy website would be a more fertile ground for you wack therories rather then a BB site.

Then again maybe the Mossad has transformed you into a Targeted Individual and is manipulating your thoughts so as to cover their tru intentions by exposing them thereby hiding in plain sight…brilliant.

I’m done with you now. No use kicking a cowering man.
[/quote]

Just what exactly ARE “Jewish issues” and why should 98% of the rest of the US population be happy that the latest “congressional posts” seem to favor these “issues”?
http://www.jta.org/page_view_story.asp?intarticleid=17466&intcategoryid=3

And do these “issues” perhaps end in a huge fireball?

[quote]vroom wrote:
JTF,

I don’t know if this will sink in, but you claim conspiracies EVERYWHERE. That is a problem.

You might be like the guy in the movie “Conspiracy Theory” and actually hit on one some time. However, nobody will ever know which one it was.

We simply can’t live our lives or invest our time thinking all the bullshit you pump out has any basis in reality.

You are your own worst enemy with respect to the credibility of the materials you are posting…[/quote]

So does Zionism not really exist, Vroom?

[quote]JustTheFacts wrote:
So does Zionism not really exist, Vroom?
[/quote]

Did I mention Zionism?

Whether or not certain groups, movements and beliefs exist does not imply that they are or are capable of being behind every action in the world.

[quote]JustTheFacts wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
Can we keep this tread on track and focus on the war in Iraq instead of some lunatic, fringe Neo-Nazi diatribe?

That’s the problem, always steering AWAY from the real issue…

Iraq Study Group: Israel-Palestinian Issue Key to Iraq Peace
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,234918,00.html[/quote]

Yes. From your little link: “The report says “no American government ? Democrat or Republican ? will abandon Israel,” despite Syria’s and Iran’s wishes to see the Jewish nation wiped from existence.” There never will be peace in the middle east until nations give up the ridiculous demand that other nations be entirely wiped out of existence. If you could overcome your rabid anti-Semitism, you might want to think about whose fault that is. Israel is not blameless, and they have often retaliated to generations of extremist suicide bombings [overtly and covertly supported by governments] in ways they really shouldn’t have. But they are not calling for the extermination of an entire people nor have they been unwilling to concede much land. Peace is currently an unreality in the Middle East because there are too many factions who would demand Israel give up 100% of the disputed lands and death for all Israelis. None of which has anything to do with why AMERICA decided to go into Iraq. There may have been many misguided reasons, ill-conceived plans, an inexplicable misconception of what would be necessary for victory [given our history and past lessons that should’ve been learned], and trumped up, unvalidated, unsubstantiated rehetoric to garner public suppport for the plan. But Bush did not invade Iraq ss a little lapdog to Israel.

[quote]JustTheFacts wrote:
hedo wrote:
You are accused of being anti-semetic because you are. You are obsessed with Jews and Israel. Every post you make references a Jewish conspiracy. You have to realize you are either ignored or ridiculed every time you post.

Surely a conspiracy website would be a more fertile ground for you wack therories rather then a BB site.

Then again maybe the Mossad has transformed you into a Targeted Individual and is manipulating your thoughts so as to cover their tru intentions by exposing them thereby hiding in plain sight…brilliant.

I’m done with you now. No use kicking a cowering man.

Just what exactly ARE “Jewish issues” and why should 98% of the rest of the US population be happy that the latest “congressional posts” seem to favor these “issues”?
http://www.jta.org/page_view_story.asp?intarticleid=17466&intcategoryid=3

And do these “issues” perhaps end in a huge fireball?[/quote]

That says nothing beyond the fact that more Members of Congress today identify with Israel and feel they are closer to the ‘right’ side of the conflict while there were more in past Congresses who more closely identified with Palestinian. it says nothing about the merits and intracacies of each position. And ‘Jewish’ issues are not Israeli issues anymore than United States citizens who practice Islam can necessarily be said to agree with and support Iran. Israeli issues and Palestinian issues are one and the same. A desire for and dispute over land and sovereignty.

[quote]JustTheFacts wrote:

I don’t hate Jews - I hate the people who …

and then a bunch of Jewish sounding names.
[/quote]

Go away you Nazi.

You make me sick.

[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
JustTheFacts wrote:

I don’t hate Jews - I hate the people who …

and then a bunch of Jewish sounding names.

Go away you Nazi.

You make me sick.
[/quote]

FACT: The Nazis are almost extinct. The last remaining members of the Nazi party are old geezers nearing death.

[quote]jsbrook wrote:
Bush did not invade Iraq ss a little lapdog to Israel.[/quote]

Of course not. He did it as a little lapdog to Big Business.

Ooops, I meant to “Bring Democracy” to the Middle East.

[quote]brucevangeorge wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
JustTheFacts wrote:

I don’t hate Jews - I hate the people who …

and then a bunch of Jewish sounding names.

Go away you Nazi.

You make me sick.

FACT: The Nazis are almost extinct. The last remaining members of the Nazi party are old geezers nearing death.[/quote]

There are neo-Nazis alive and kicking. I know. I saw on Jerry Springer.

[quote]jsbrook wrote:
There are neo-Nazis alive and kicking. I know. I saw on Jerry Springer.[/quote]

Neo-nazis are just punks. They don’t count. They’re two bit wannabes.

In order to be a Nazi you must be or have been a member of the Nazi political party. And there’s no Nazi party anymore.

More than 99% of them are dead.

[quote]brucevangeorge wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
There are neo-Nazis alive and kicking. I know. I saw on Jerry Springer.

Neo-nazis are just punks. They don’t count. They’re two bit wannabes.

In order to be a Nazi you must be or have been a member of the Nazi political party. And there’s no Nazi party anymore.

More than 99% of them are dead. [/quote]

What exactly is your point? Who cares if there are real Nazis left? Anti-semitism is alive and kicking, though not to the extent it was in previous times, forunately.

[quote]vroom wrote:
JTF,

I don’t know if this will sink in, but you claim conspiracies EVERYWHERE. That is a problem.

You might be like the guy in the movie “Conspiracy Theory” and actually hit on one some time. However, nobody will ever know which one it was.

We simply can’t live our lives or invest our time thinking all the bullshit you pump out has any basis in reality.

You are your own worst enemy with respect to the credibility of the materials you are posting…[/quote]

It’s actually YOUR credibility that suffers when you adamantly dismiss as “bullshit” things that are easily verified.

I mentioned Zionism because, if you know the basis of Zionism, you know that it can not achieve it’s goals without fooling American Christians into supporting wars against it’s enemies.

They do that by convincing gullible people that Muslims are psychopathic terrorists who’s main goal is to kill Americans.

Revisionist Zionism

How does a VICTIM state EXPAND it’s territory? I’m just curious.