[quote]Mr. Shoulders wrote:
At 18 you have no business taking steroids or even talking about them to others[/quote]
We finally agree on something.
[quote]Alex630 wrote:
I’m suprised nobody else caught this. It may be no big deal, but if I’m going to brag, I usually get it right twice in a row.
Jan 11th: “about me: 6’2”, 251 lbs, 13-14% bf, 7 years training"
Jan 12th: “6’2” at 245 lbs, 13% bf. i have 5 years training"
[/quote]
Don’t worry I caught it. I also went to the site he provided and the information there, as I recall, was different as well.
Some of these OP’s just degrade the quality of material that this site has to offer.
Someone didn’t read the newbie thread.
Hugearm69,
Please stick around this site. I’ve re-read this thread twice now and the laughs just keep coming.
OK, ummm… Being 18 you should not be messing around with AAS at all, especially at your doses for your age. I do not feel that you should be given advice or asking for it. BUT… I fear that you actually might have your gear and might use it… SO…on that hand I feel that you do need some advice so that you do not end up being a representative of why people should not use steroids!
First off you need to not think of yourself as any sort of vet; once you think you know it all, you cease to learn more; plus the fact that you are young, you might have been around the weights awhile and know what you are doing, but you are a novice when it comes to the AAS.
The Test Cypi is no different than the Test Enan, just one carbon difference, so your looking at maybe 2% less actual Testosterone and 8 hour longer half-life - That’s it, and you will not notice any difference. I am glad that you are not planning on a gram a week like alot of people recommend, by the way.
Regarding your planned Anadrol use, how long are you planning on using it; regarding your liver and cholesterol, you will not “feel” anything wrong until something is terribly wrong. The Anadrol is something that I have never used before, but I would suggest that you limit it to the first 3 weeks or so.
Your PCT looks generic, but rather sound except your HCG use. I do not know where you came up with it or if you were planning on dividing 5000mg up into a week or once a week, but either way - too much! I would suggest 250-500iu every day or 500iu EOD during this time. Honestly I think you’d be better off with 500iu the day before your 2 shots or on the weekend during your cycle to maintain testicle size and not use it as part of your PCT, but rather think of it as Pre-PCT.
Stick with .25mg Everyday of Arimidex if not .5mg. Keep the sides from happening rather than fixing them if they start. Why the Clomid at 50mg/day? and why with the Nolvadex?
No offense, but read a lot more on AAS and get a book on it. Listen objectively to advice and realize that there is A LOT OF BAD ADVICE out there, so make sure you do your research and keep researching; don’t think that you know enough or a lot - research is alway evolving.
Also, yeah people gave you a hard time and will. But understand where we are coming from and keep your chill.
Also regarding your Nolvadex use post cycle and all of your ancillary drugs:
1-3 Anadrol (if you must, why not use Dbol at 25mg/day for 20 days?)
1-10 Test Cypionate 200-250mg/2x week
1-12 Arimidex at .25mg-.5/day
1-12 HCG at 500mg 2x/week
13 Nolvadex at 40mg/day
14 Nolvadex at 40mg/5 days 20mg/2days
15-17 Nolvadex at 20mg/day
18 Nolvadex at 10mg/5days 5mg/2days
(That’s 50 20mg Nolvadex)
finally some intelligent responses, and btw way my cycle was going to be run the same way you suggested, but i already have the anadrol and was thinking about running it at even a lower dosage, like 25 mg a day, and i have 4000mg of nolva on hand just in case on cycle so im gonna can the arimidex. clomid will be here shortly and i paid heavily for the letro. i will be runnning sustanon 250 instead at 500mg a week, 250mg every 3 days.
im am very deeply concerned that i will lose alot of gains in the off cycle, so was possibly going to run very low dosages of deca-dura(which i have on hand) at like 100mg a week.
thanks alot to the intelligent posts. i am kinda confused…how do you think the guys that win the teen nationals get there? there all aas users since around 15-16…guys on bb.com admitt that they use that young, i see it as i waited this long its good.
First off good idea on running the Anadrol at 25mg/day IF your going to use use.
Regarding your 4000mg of nolva just shorten your 40mg days to six and lengthen the taper a little bit - why do you say that you have it on hand “just in case”? Dude, if your using Arimidex or Letro there will be no “Just in case”!
Your Letro, is it liquid or 2.5mg pills? If it’s liquid, run it at 250mg EOD; if it’s Pills, cut them into quarters and take 1/4 E3D - the day before each shot would be good.
You will lose some gains, especially from some water from the Anadrol (I hear that even when your estrogen is low that you’ll hold water on the stuff) maybe even some water from the Test even with your Letro use. Anyway follow your PCT; do not stop early or up your dose and shorten your duration. Eat clean to make real muscle gains and not fat - better to gain 15 and keep 12, than gain 25 and keep 12.
The low-dose Deca will just complicant things - 100mg will shut you down 100% and Deca lingers around for sometime, plus the fact that Anadrol is a progestinic steroid as is Deca you must be wanting to be punished. If your set on using it, use 200-400mg/week, might as well use enough for an anabolic effect, I doubt you’re looking for the joint relief. Make sure that you run the Test for 2-4 weeks longer than the Deca. I think that you should keep your cycle as simple as possible and just you the Test and Anadrol for a kickstart; that way you know how each substance effects you and everything is easier/simpler.
Regarding those that use as young as 15, it’s true, but that does not mean that one should. Two people I know that abused AAS in high school are short bastards now: maybe they would have short anyway, who knows.
Also the doses in High School are way lower and simpler. The most common is 20mg/day Dianabol, sometimes 20mg/day Stanozolol. I knew 9 guys who used AAS in High School and only 2 used injectables (not saying they are bad at all) and they used them at 200-250mg/week. I worked with the guy that won the Teen Bodybuilding Championship and his cycle was 250mg/week Test and 20mg/day Stanozolol, and then switch the Test for Primo before his competition.
By the way, High School kids make Dianabol the most popular steroid (at doses of 20-25mg per day), Dianabol rules the schools. Plus that’s where this whole “just in case” saying comes from regarding Nolvadex. Everyone I knew that used Dianabol, since no one used an AI, kept Nolvadex on hand “just in case” and EVERYONE used it.
I wouldn’t say that you waited that long, but you did wait longer than some; whether or not it was truly waiting or opportunity and availablity only you know. I thought about it for 5 years before I did any AAS, I started with the Pro-Hormones which are horrible - small gains, large sides. Tried Proviron and then onto Test and Test/Mast. BTW I started when I was 29, but I have no ambition of being a pro-bodybuilder.
Which brings me to a question: what is your goal? Pro-Bodybuilding? You’re obviously a really built guy now at 6’2" and 245 with only 13% BF, that’s insane for a 18 year old, you should post a pic: that’s 213 LBW pounds so at 10% you’d weigh 237 pounds!!! Anyway truth or not, it sounds like you are planning on doing your cycle so keep up the research
I’ve been silent until now, but I’m gonna have to join the party.
[quote]Hugearms69 wrote:
finally some intelligent responses, and btw way my cycle was going to be run the same way you suggested, but i already have the anadrol and was thinking about running it at even a lower dosage, like 25 mg a day, and i have 4000mg of nolva on hand just in case on cycle so im gonna can the arimidex. clomid will be here shortly and i paid heavily for the letro.
[/quote]
Seasoned vet huh? Why would a vet need clomid, nolva and letro?
[quote]
i will be runnning sustanon 250 instead at 500mg a week, 250mg every 3 days.[/quote]
So instead of doing it remotely intelligently and using the test e/c as reccomended, you’re gonna use sustanon 250? Can you even tell me about Sustanon 250? Can you tell me what “prop pain” is? Could you tell us what the issue with running sustanon as opposed to e/c is? Especially for a first cycle?
[quote] im am very deeply concerned that i will lose alot of gains in the off cycle, so was possibly going to run very low dosages of deca-dura(which i have on hand) at like 100mg a week.
[/quote}
Are you a fucking moron? What does the deca have to do with keeping gains post cycle? The only way to keep your gains post cycle is to go to the grocery store and eat. You can use any drug you want to, it won’t keep your gains post cycle if you aren’t eating. And please tell me you intend to run that 100/wk after cycle. I will love to see you posting here that your cock doesn’t function and you have no idea what the problem is.[/quote]
And because it was said on BB.com, that means it’s right? You are too stupid, naive and young to put chemicals into your body. Please wait until you mature physically and mentally to even consider AAS. If you need to get swole to get the cheerleader or the high school broad, it won’t matter. They won’t have you anyway, swole or not.
Breaking out the A-bomb’s on your first cycle. Awesome… lol, why not just go with d-bol if you wanted an oral kickstart.
I agree with everyone else. Why not wait? I have done the same thing you are planning on at a young age, only I did it with pro-hormones, and it was a complete waste. I guess maybe if you are as developed as you say you are then perhaps ass use is warranted here. I don’t know, it’s your body.
lol I didn’t even see that he is running sust 250.
So instead of pretty much painfree (most likely) cyp or eth injections twice a week. You opted to go with one of the more painful injectables that you are going to need to inject at least E3D and better yet EOD.
I’d wait bro and do a little more research, you’ll find that a lot of people don’t like sustanon at all, some people do though, but I would imagine they have a little better grasp on the use of aas than you or myself combined.
thanks again for the responses guys. yes, i understand “prop pain”, test prop hurts like a bitch, thats my only reason for probably not using the sust, i think i will stick with test-e for sure now. my letro is pill form, i have 350 dollars worht of it. yeah, im not getting bitch tits lol.
i want to be as safe as possible for being 18 and using aas. i am a big dude, but i want to come clean. im not 13%, i used to be but my bulk is pretty serious, im up to about 18% now, but i am 245, i will post pics as soon as i lose some fat(i am very hard on myself about the fat), ill run this cycle and then cut and then i promise ill post pics…ill probably only put on around 15-16 lbs because im already a big guy. when the cut is over i want to compete, so i will def. post pics.
350 in letro? I hope you have years of supply at that price. Liquid letro can be found fairly reasonably from many sources. Be careful with your dosing that you don’t drop your E too low.
no bro, i had to buy the pills lol, i got them from 24hoursxxxxx. that site is great btw, i always get my orders on time, ususally 12 days or so, good deals too. yeah, i know all about sust and the pain from the prop in it, but it seems to have less sides and a faster time to kick in becasue of the prop, but i am going to stick with e. i got a local source where ill pick up around 6000mg, 250 mg every 3 days for 10-11 weeks. that comes out to around 5000mg, so i have some in case of error or something. i have a dumb question, but w,e: i have a tatoo, can i still compete with a tat or no?
everything about this poster rings completely false to me, no? even aside from the fact that he has changed his physical stats three times now.
When I inquire about gear I usually find a source and then look at what they have available as far mg/ml for the gear i’m looking to cycle and then buy accordingly …Who the hell gets on a site like this and asks to buy gear in MILLIGRAMS …Yeah I need to get my hands on about 15,000 mgs of test enth for my 20 weeker comming up .LOL.
1 Like
[quote]GERRY.P.SHARMAN wrote:
When I inquire about gear I usually find a source and then look at what they have available as far mg/ml for the gear i’m looking to cycle and then buy accordingly …Who the hell gets on a site like this and asks to buy gear in MILLIGRAMS …Yeah I need to get my hands on about 15,000 mgs of test enth for my 20 weeker comming up .LOL.[/quote]
WTF made you come back after being blown out? You have a little more self esteem that needs to be blown off?
[quote]GERRY.P.SHARMAN wrote:
When I inquire about gear I usually find a source and then look at what they have available as far mg/ml for the gear i’m looking to cycle and then buy accordingly …Who the hell gets on a site like this and asks to buy gear in MILLIGRAMS …Yeah I need to get my hands on about 15,000 mgs of test enth for my 20 weeker comming up .LOL.[/quote]
Actually, I don’t see what’s wrong with this. I always map out what I plan to do and figure out the milligrams of each substance, then buy accordingly.
I teach high school, and lots of seniors. I know that 18 years olds think they are immortal. They are not.
I suppose I could understand if a guy is poor and desperately needs a college scholarship, to use gear at 18.
Unless your in some sort of desperate position like this, I urge you to quit fucking with your body.
I’ve been to too many funerals lately.
im actually getting some good responses from the ones that arent assholes. oh, btw, i just recieved my anadrol from 24xxxxxxxx, came in 12 days, it looks legit.