New Business Failures

Due to their unique ownership structure, cooperatives often have a difficult time finding money to start and operate their enterprise.

I only posed this question to get answers. Read it again, in context this time.

cooperative businesses follow the principle that voting rights are based on one’s membership in the cooperative, not on one’s investment of capital.

A far more egalitarian position. And one that is the opposite of traditional lending where the goal is maximization of profit above all else.

This doesn’t match reality considering co ops existed (and we’re thriving) prior to the financial collapse in the lending industry.

Edit: and were involved in the exact same predatory lending practices

A story written by those who see that government as a threat. This cannot be a success in this hemisphere as it could be shown as an example that there is another way. Wouldn’t want to disappoint the ruling class.

Nicolas Maduro looked to the world of digital currency to circumvent US-led financial sanctions.

Why would the U.S. want this to happen?

Most of the protestors are of the upper-class who don’t want to see their rule fade away.

So where is the success of a right-wing country? The U.S.? Where the income inequality grows daily? Where people die who can’t afford health insurance and those who do have it are sometimes forced into BK because they had the audacity to get sick.

And the countries who have a more socialized healthcare system pay much less and often get better results. What awful value.

Such as?

Wrong. Every time you say it, it’ll keep being wrong. Socialized healthcare cost more overall, and less per capita

Never been debunked. I only got incredibly retarded answers like “I don’t care” or worse “There probably playing a joke.” And the people who posted this trash aren’t even embarrassed.

You mean, I’m not brainwashed by similar institutions as you.

Unlike all the wars?

Yes I do.

Never been debunked. Capitalism run amuck.

Some Co-ops do

If you have no problem helping to destroy the health of the public so you can make another buck, it is quite telling.

Often profit maximization does come at the expense of the public. Big Pharma is a clear example. It’s okay to make the public suffer if you can make another buck. Really?

Likewise…

Immensely simplified version of an agricultural co-op for the purpose of illustration(why did you fuckers have to chase away the only guy with the red crayons?!):

Director of co-op has to maximize sales revenue and lower costs of packaging and transport so that that producers(members) get the best price possible for their products.

What is he doing?

a) The Hokey Pokey?
b) Pretending he’s auditioning for The Apprentice?
c) Maximizing profit for members?

Another co-op and one company enter the market. They offer better prices, their products are quickly gaining better brand recognition and their packaging and transport are lower.

The original co-op starts loses market share rapidly and is in the red. Producers lose money.

What does the director do?

a) Tell all members, “Alright guys, I’m out of ideas. Time to pack up and shut it down.”?
b) Start doing coke?
c) Compete?

When there is a price war and prices fall, who benefits?

a) The Russians?
b) Tony Stark?
c) The consumer?

Never did this. You did your own research. 98 percent of companies and businesses in the US are small and medium sized. Are they all engaging in illegal activities? Are they making the public suffer? If not, where is the relevance?

Who gave the government the money? The tax payer. Why should the tax payer have to pay for it?

You are a naive child.

Maybe do it like most startup businesses?
Seriously, what kind of stupid question is this? Fuck man, I’m fucking amazed.

Which is why you want the government OUT. You are one asking for BIG GOVERNMENT. You give the government enough power and they don’t even need corporations to scam the entire country. Look what’s just happened to Malaysia.

Oh you mean cyrpto? I bought bitcoin when it was $300+ in 2016.

What did you do?

This was after I made a 1,000+% profit in ethereum. You can look for the thread about how to turn $100,000 into one millio(I didn’t start that thread) to see the dates I made the posts about my investments and verify them with the charts if you don’t believe me.

Great to be a risk taker and know successful, evil people who are also risk takers who give you advice PLUS actually having some skin in the game when you support something, isn’t it? Capitalism rocks!

You don’t even know anything about business. I’m the one who set up and runs a profitable company. Who’s the one parroting things he watches on youtube instead speaking from actual experience in the trenches? You call me brainwashed? LMAO!!!

Holy shit, you are a parody of a parody of yourself!

This can’t get any more meta.

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Yes.

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Realistically, all of the options that you gave for those questions are on the table.

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Corporate capture, lolz.

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Does any of this justify making the public suffer?

If the leader of the Co-Op explains that the business can be successful if the public is to suffer, would it happen?

Are these companies part of the oligarchy? You have a fundamental misunderstanding of the subject. Surprise, surprise!

Who gave the government the money for the wars?

Another fundamental you don’t understand. Is a government by and for the people what we have today? If not, is there any difference?

How does any of this have anything to do with what I asserted?

I know that Co-Ops are more successful.

And you consistently dodge questions that DO NOT fit into your economic dogma.

So who would buy the product or service if they do not have the money because wages are so low?

Yeah, too bad for you and your dogma it’s real. Lolz.

Nope. I have done no such thing.

Refusal to give my opinion on topics you are arguing with others is so that you stick to the one we are debating.

You are the one doing the dodging.

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Dodge and strawman. Answer the questions. Then explain how the public will suffer in the example above.

Dodge and deflection.

Subject:

Why should the tax payer have to bear the cost of loans to co-ops.

Dodge and deflection.

Subject:

Youtube vs Real experience and formal education

Dodge and blatant lie.

Dodge and strawman.

Subject: Profit Maximisation

98 percent aren’t harming the public. Which means 2 percent are doing something above and beyond. Including illegal activities(not saying that all or even most of them are doing this). Which means you have no point.

Government can’t enforce law against illegal activities. Enables them when bought by corporations. More regulations; still unenforced. Passes burden of regulations to smaller companies, making them less conpetitive.

Reliance on government results in less desire to take risks and actually get up and do shit like go into self-enterprise when upset with the status quo. All people do is conplain and want to destroy and redistribute instead of create. Of course you are stuck under the thumb of people who actually did the opposite.

And you want BIG government.

You believe a politician when he tells you he’s going to give you a government for the people and by the people. Grow the fuck up. That’s what every politician says. Chairman Mao said even nicer things. The People LOVED him. Then they started dying of starvation by the millions.

You want power decentralized? Support self-enterprise. Yes, including co-ops. Limit government. That’s how you put power in the hands of The People.

See above.

There’s quite a bit of difference between the US and Venezeula, zep.

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Wages and standard of living in the USA are astronomically high compared to what they are in most countries in the world. They’re also astronomically higher than they were before the industrial revolution and the concentration of capital.

You will also recall that under feudalism goods and services were still produced. Even if peasants make near zero wages there’s always somebody to make products for.

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And YOU Dodge 100% of all questions asked of you

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