[quote]BeefEater wrote:
So if someone robs $1000 from a bank, should we not pay to prosecute and incarcerate him?[/quote]
I have no problem with him allowing cattle to graze on the piece of land my tax money paid for, and I know many others who feel the same. Who is this appointed representative who gets to control my land in ways I don’t want it controlled?
[quote]NickViar wrote:
[quote]BeefEater wrote:
So if someone robs $1000 from a bank, should we not pay to prosecute and incarcerate him?[/quote]
I have no problem with him allowing cattle to graze on the piece of land my tax money paid for, and I know many others who feel the same. Who is this appointed representative who gets to control my land in ways I don’t want it controlled?[/quote]
The man that wants to let the Chinese build a mega project on it.
Duh. 
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
[quote]NickViar wrote:
[quote]BeefEater wrote:
So if someone robs $1000 from a bank, should we not pay to prosecute and incarcerate him?[/quote]
I have no problem with him allowing cattle to graze on the piece of land my tax money paid for, and I know many others who feel the same. Who is this appointed representative who gets to control my land in ways I don’t want it controlled?[/quote]
The man that wants to let the Chinese build a mega project on it.
Duh. ;-)[/quote]
And for Harry Reid and his son to benefit from it!
Maybe it’s easier to acquire land from “a tax cheat” than fight someone in court over Eminent Domain ?
I mean that’s a huge fucking desert out there, shit I drove through it not even a month ago going to Vegas. Why did Reid fuck with THIS guy’s land ? As if he couldn’t find another plot of land to use ? And this guy hasn’t paid those fees in what, 20 years or so ? So why go after him NOW ?
Shit don’t smell right.
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Maybe it’s easier to acquire land from “a tax cheat” than fight someone in court over Eminent Domain ?
I mean that’s a huge fucking desert out there, shit I drove through it not even a month ago going to Vegas. Why did Reid fuck with THIS guy’s land ? As if he couldn’t find another plot of land to use ? And this guy hasn’t paid those fees in what, 20 years or so ? So why go after him NOW ?
Shit don’t smell right. [/quote]
I’m guessing they needed his water rights (I would bet money on it) Power projects, even solar need massive amounts of water for cooling.
Water is 900 million times more valuable than plain land in the Western U.S.
The Federal Energy Regulatory Commission (FERC) requires securing water rights before even allowing the permitting process to proceed.
This is why they are giving him the squeeze.
(Full disclosure, my company develops renewable energy projects)
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Maybe it’s easier to acquire land from “a tax cheat” than fight someone in court over Eminent Domain ?
I mean that’s a huge fucking desert out there, shit I drove through it not even a month ago going to Vegas. Why did Reid fuck with THIS guy’s land ? As if he couldn’t find another plot of land to use ? And this guy hasn’t paid those fees in what, 20 years or so ? So why go after him NOW ?
Shit don’t smell right. [/quote]
I’m guessing they needed his water rights (I would bet money on it) Power projects, even solar need massive amounts of water for cooling.
Water is 900 million times more valuable than plain land in the Western U.S.
The Federal Energy Regulatory Commission (FERC) requires securing water rights before even allowing the permitting process to proceed.
This is why they are giving him the squeeze.
(Full disclosure, my company develops renewable energy projects)[/quote]
Excellent insight. That helps it to make a lot more sense.
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Maybe it’s easier to acquire land from “a tax cheat” than fight someone in court over Eminent Domain ?
I mean that’s a huge fucking desert out there, shit I drove through it not even a month ago going to Vegas. Why did Reid fuck with THIS guy’s land ? As if he couldn’t find another plot of land to use ? And this guy hasn’t paid those fees in what, 20 years or so ? So why go after him NOW ?
Shit don’t smell right. [/quote]
I’m guessing they needed his water rights (I would bet money on it) Power projects, even solar need massive amounts of water for cooling.
Water is 900 million times more valuable than plain land in the Western U.S.
The Federal Energy Regulatory Commission (FERC) requires securing water rights before even allowing the permitting process to proceed.
This is why they are giving him the squeeze.
(Full disclosure, my company develops renewable energy projects)[/quote]
Excellent insight. That helps it to make a lot more sense.
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Folks need to a look at a map and then look at the Federal Court’s summary judgment.
First, it ain’t “this guy’s land.” It ain’t this guy’s water. It was denied him by either the BLM or by the Authorities of Clark County (in the 1990’s, with no reference to Harry Reid at the time.)
Second, after his cattle were excluded–legally–from the Bunkerville allotment (to the west of the Virgin Valley) he trespasses further to the east and south. (Gold Mesa and others.)
Third, Harry Reid and son’s skullduggery stands alone and apart as a piece of larceny. Even if Bundy had not trespassed and defied Federal judgments, Reid should be put under indictment.
I love the way the so called right does not have to vet their posts
[quote]atypical1 wrote:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/conspiracy/nevada.asp[/quote]
it’s not about the land it’s about the water rights…of which Bundy has a Ton. (Which the BLM seized, the BLM led by Harry Reid’s former chief of staff) Large power projects require a huge amount of water.
It’s not about Reid getting paid, it’s about his son getting paid.
The Moapa Valley project they quoted (I have toured it, with my company) is on Indian land and is 1/1000 of the size of the Chinese proposal. And is in no way relevant to this story
Does not change the fact that Harry Reid’s former chief of staff is the director of the BLM which Reid sicked on Bundy.
When was the last time the 2nd most senior Senator in the country got involved in a 1 million dollar land dispute? He has nothing better to do? uh, huh.
The Chinese did not give up because of no buyers for the power, our clients in Vegas and LA would KILL for it. They gave up because the State of Nevada would not let them build the project with all Chinese workers and the Chinese did NOT want to pay state and federal taxes on the project. They also wanted to staff the project with all Chinese workers.
That Snopes article, danced around the real issues and basically said “Reid would not profit directly” Well no shit.
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I love the way the so called right does not have to vet their posts [/quote]
I love the way the so called left does not have to post facts that in any way correlate to the topic at hand.
[quote]DrSkeptix wrote:
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Maybe it’s easier to acquire land from “a tax cheat” than fight someone in court over Eminent Domain ?
I mean that’s a huge fucking desert out there, shit I drove through it not even a month ago going to Vegas. Why did Reid fuck with THIS guy’s land ? As if he couldn’t find another plot of land to use ? And this guy hasn’t paid those fees in what, 20 years or so ? So why go after him NOW ?
Shit don’t smell right. [/quote]
I’m guessing they needed his water rights (I would bet money on it) Power projects, even solar need massive amounts of water for cooling.
Water is 900 million times more valuable than plain land in the Western U.S.
The Federal Energy Regulatory Commission (FERC) requires securing water rights before even allowing the permitting process to proceed.
This is why they are giving him the squeeze.
(Full disclosure, my company develops renewable energy projects)[/quote]
Excellent insight. That helps it to make a lot more sense.
[/quote]
Folks need to a look at a map and then look at the Federal Court’s summary judgment.
First, it ain’t “this guy’s land.” It ain’t this guy’s water. It was denied him by either the BLM or by the Authorities of Clark County (in the 1990’s, with no reference to Harry Reid at the time.)
Second, after his cattle were excluded–legally–from the Bunkerville allotment (to the west of the Virgin Valley) he trespasses further to the east and south. (Gold Mesa and others.)
Third, Harry Reid and son’s skullduggery stands alone and apart as a piece of larceny. Even if Bundy had not trespassed and defied Federal judgments, Reid should be put under indictment.
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Most likely a lack of intellectual rigor on my part, but when I see an apple pie I don’t see apples, flour, eggs, butter, sugar, etc.
I just see an apple pie.
Constituent parts or as a whole, this situation is a cow patty.
All i can say ," Bundy should thank his lucky stars , some one in the White House had the common sense to deescalate "
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
All i can say ," Bundy should thank his lucky stars , some one in the White House had the common sense to deescalate "[/quote]
It is sad that you think the people should fear the government.
I don’t think any one should fear our GOV, you must have never read the Day we lost our freedom thread .
I personally think the Rancher brought all this shit on him self, you will have to excuse me if I think he is a dumb fuck:) and I bet they seize bank accounts and really fuck him civilly
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I don’t think any one should fear our GOV, you must have never read the Day we lost our freedom thread .
I personally think the Rancher brought all this shit on him self, you will have to excuse me if I think he is a dumb fuck:) and I bet they seize bank accounts and really fuck him civilly [/quote]
Yep, remember this the next time a cop busts a black guy for jaywalking, and fucks him up royally and responds with…“we he was breaking TEH LAWZ!!”
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I don’t think any one should fear our GOV, you must have never read the Day we lost our freedom thread .
I personally think the Rancher brought all this shit on him self, you will have to excuse me if I think he is a dumb fuck:) and I bet they seize bank accounts and really fuck him civilly [/quote]
Yep, remember this the next time a cop busts a black guy for jaywalking, and fucks him up royally and responds with…“we he was breaking TEH LAWZ!!”[/quote]
let’s look at all the Ranchers that pay their taxes and are at an unfair disadvantage in the market place , or are you suggesting every one quit paying taxes ???
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I don’t think any one should fear our GOV, you must have never read the Day we lost our freedom thread .
I personally think the Rancher brought all this shit on him self, you will have to excuse me if I think he is a dumb fuck:) and I bet they seize bank accounts and really fuck him civilly [/quote]
Yep, remember this the next time a cop busts a black guy for jaywalking, and fucks him up royally and responds with…“we he was breaking TEH LAWZ!!”[/quote]
let’s look at all the Ranchers that pay their taxes and are at an unfair disadvantage in the market place , or are you suggesting every one quit paying taxes ???
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Marketplace right?
How many people who owe a ton of shit to the government are not accosted by a fucking federal swat team? Because they don’t have something the government wants.
Just wait until you have something that the government wants, and they decide to snag it. what will happen then?
It’s no matter here…Reid’s son will get paid, the lobbyists will get paid, the Chinese will get paid, and your beloved government will continue to get more corrupt.
Lets face it Pitt, if this was the GOP Senator going after some Section 8 housing to build a missile factory, you would be losing your collective shit.