Nevada Cattle Ranch

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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Bundy is one of these delusional “sovereign citizen” wackadoos, who doesn’t believe in the legitimacy of the federal government (his words exactly). He’s a crazy millionaire/criminal tax evader, nothing more than that. It’s been fun to watch mainstream conservatives embrace him, and then scurry away as fast as possible when they figure out he’s not who they thought he was.

As far as the militia members pointing weapons at federal agents who were authorized to execute a judge’s order, they should be thrown in high security Supermax prisons, next door to the cells of Al Qaeda members.

I really hope there’s not some wanna-be Timothy McVeigh out there getting inspiration from these deplorable scumbags on Bundy’s ranch who are talking shit about how there’s gonna be a civil war coming soon.

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I have a feeling Bundy will end up in federal prison for tax evasion, just like another famous Free Market warrior who only wanted to get the heavily-armed Federal thugs off his back, so he could run his business without interference and suffocating regulation:

Al Capone.

The Bundy drama highlights one of the Achilles heels with the Libertarian philosophy (I won’t call it a system, since Libertarianism is completely hypothetical): Under Libertarianism, there are ineffective enforcement mechanisms for the rule of law.

So some self-entitled jackass (like Cliven Bundy) can just say that he disagrees with a judge’s ruling. Or tough shit, I don’t agree with that interpretation of the Constitution. That law doesn’t apply to me. I don’t recognize that court’s authority. Or I dispute that finding. If somebody shows up with a court order, just answer the door with superior firepower, and you could be off the hook.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:
Lawmaker On Bundy Standoff: BLM Should Not Have ‘Paramilitary Units’

Read more: Lawmaker On Bundy Standoff: BLM Should Not Have ‘Paramilitary Units’ | The Daily Caller
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The article is a joke… One junior congressman says something, that’s hardly news. And the BLM did not decide that Bundy owed money for grazing, that was decided in a court of law, and Bundy lost repeatedly, including his appeals. But maybe you think when you lose a legal decision, the responsible thing to do is ignore it.

I thought conservatives believed in personal responsibility - Bundy is a freeloader, trying to get something for nothing, when the other area ranchers are paying for the same services.

Also, government agents shouldn’t be armed? Aren’t you one of the people saying guns are good, and everybody should have the freedom to carry them, all the time? Or is that only reserved for certain people? Maybe those federal agents were just expressing their 2nd Amendment rights.

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‘Nevada Ranch Militias Turn Against Each Other Over Drone-Attack Theory’

http://gawker.com/nevada-ranch-militias-turn-against-each-other-over-dron-1570140614

Some of these guys look pretty sad. Here they are, discussing the Oath Keepers ‘desertion’:

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[quote]K2000 wrote:
I have a feeling Bundy will end up in federal prison for tax evasion, just like another famous Free Market warrior who only wanted to get the heavily-armed Federal thugs off his back, so he could run his business without interference and suffocating regulation:

Al Capone.

The Bundy drama highlights one of the Achilles heels with the Libertarian philosophy (I won’t call it a system, since Libertarianism is completely hypothetical): Under Libertarianism, there are ineffective enforcement mechanisms for the rule of law.

So some self-entitled jackass (like Cliven Bundy) can just say that he disagrees with a judge’s ruling. Or tough shit, I don’t agree with that interpretation of the Constitution. That law doesn’t apply to me. I don’t recognize that court’s authority. Or I dispute that finding. If somebody shows up with a court order, just answer the door with superior firepower, and you could be off the hook.[/quote]

Al Capone was pretty much created by regulation; surely you understand that, right?

There have been many HIGHLY EFFECTIVE regulation mechanisms throughout history. Let’s hope this country doesn’t become any MORE effective; it’s already bad enough.

The funny thing about this Cliven Bundy case…it’s happening in a massively powerful state. It’s amazing that one could blame this incident on libertarianism, when the U.S. borders on tyrannical.

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Yes, America borders on tyranny! Good post, Kooky McWackadoo!

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Some of the militia members hanging around on Bundy’s ranch are looking for public handouts via GoFundMe. ‘Wingnut Welfare’… Send these guys money, so they don’t have to get jobs.

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Whoa, those guys sure are “tacticool”.

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So there was an out of state militia conducting a checkpoint to see if people resided in the area? I can only imagine the backlash if the government did this.

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[quote]Will207 wrote:
So there was an out of state militia conducting a checkpoint to see if people resided in the area? I can only imagine the backlash if the government did this. [/quote]

At least they wouldn’t lack legitimacy. The militiamen amount to little more than ideological highwaymen.

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[quote]Bismark wrote:

[quote]Will207 wrote:
So there was an out of state militia conducting a checkpoint to see if people resided in the area? I can only imagine the backlash if the government did this. [/quote]

At least they wouldn’t lack legitimacy. The militiamen amount to little more than ideological highwaymen. [/quote]

This is true.

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Moshe,

Moving is no fun and can be quite stressful. When it comes time for you to head back, if that Porsche of yours is too much trouble to deal with, I wouldn’t be too bothered to take it off your hands. Rest assured, that’s one detail you won’t have to worry about.

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[quote]K2000 wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:
Lawmaker On Bundy Standoff: BLM Should Not Have ‘Paramilitary Units’

Read more: Lawmaker On Bundy Standoff: BLM Should Not Have ‘Paramilitary Units’ | The Daily Caller
[/quote]

The article is a joke… One junior congressman says something, that’s hardly news. And the BLM did not decide that Bundy owed money for grazing, that was decided in a court of law, and Bundy lost repeatedly, including his appeals. But maybe you think when you lose a legal decision, the responsible thing to do is ignore it.

I thought conservatives believed in personal responsibility - Bundy is a freeloader, trying to get something for nothing, when the other area ranchers are paying for the same services.

Also, government agents shouldn’t be armed? Aren’t you one of the people saying guns are good, and everybody should have the freedom to carry them, all the time? Or is that only reserved for certain people? Maybe those federal agents were just expressing their 2nd Amendment rights.
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There are plenty of freeloaders in this country, coming from all political views on the spectrum. Some are corporate, some are everyday people, this is a pretty much a moot point.

There are also plenty of people who disobey legal rulings, yet again from both sides of the political aisle.

Government agents should be armed (obvi), yet the restraint of when to use deadly force was shown by both sides. With that many guns being pointed every which way, the only winning move was for no one to shoot at all. Both sides saw this, unlike you.

I am grateful that a child like you was not involved in such an intense situation. You come off like a whiny baby, when in fact you fail to recognize that all sorts of people have done similar things like avoiding taxes or not paying fines or fees.

I could point out that Al Sharpton owes almost $2 million smacks in unpaid taxes, but people would think I typed that wearing a hood.