Great update, brother — glad you’re getting on this. Get in the gym and let’s turn these gains into lean tissue! I know your body is ready for it and, mentally, you are too. Let’s do this shit.
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All you need for upper body is gymnastic rings. You can get big on just those. Legs are harder, but there are options you can do with bands and body weight.
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Fuckkk I think I just had an anxiety attack. I’ve never felt anything like it but I was about to go to sleep, got congested and went from “this sucks, I’m probably going to be breathing through my mouth tonight and have a sore throat tomorrow” to feeling like I was suffocating, heart pounding and I literally felt like I was about to die, couldn’t catch my breath. I was so shaky I couldn’t hold on to my phone. It felt like being under water and trying to breath air through a straw.
I’ve never felt anything like it. It’s been about 30 minutes and I’m like halfway calmed down and just typing this out to get my mind off of how I feel for a few minutes and to have a record of the date in case I ever need it for some reason.
I had something about half that strong one day last week but I thought it was just anxiety from some stuff going on at work.
I always thought people were freaking out over nothing when they said they had these but that was scary as hell. Now I’m scared of having another one which is just adding to the anxiety.
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Agreed I do the same and my woman said the same. I had no clue it was supposed to be like this. Her EX was a straight up chump. Happy for ya 
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Re reading what I missed. Saw a recent post and was trying to understand what you meant. Anyways, just wanted to say that High shbg guys take T like low SHBG guys. You build the T in your system and eventually the dose is enough to produce enough free t and etc…
Problem with one weekly dose low or high shbg is it will be gone by next shot.
Honestly if you have high SHBG go get the cream from MedQuest and 3 clicks AM and PM will do the trick.
Hcg wise I would only take 250 every 3rd day. 500 seems to give many symptoms. Splitting it up helps a ton.
Kinda confused if you are still on it or not. Either way I hope my suggestion helps. I know for a fact that guys with high shbg benefit big time from the cream. It just seems to do the trick with less cream compared to injections and shit.
FYI: not sure if others have mentioned it , but a healthy diet can lower SHBG. Eat carbs. Guys on low carb: keto diets have high shbg regularly: I’ve noticed often those who go to the extreme with diet are often the ones who end up with high reverse t3 and shbg issues. Then there are other issues that are unknown. It’s a pain in ass. I do know that starting T will
Lower it by itself over time.
Breathe and meditate when this happens. Mind over body as much as you can. Hope it doesn’t happen again. It might not be anxiety. Could be something else .
Man that was rough, never felt anything like it. I was up until 4 or 5am, finally fell asleep until 10am, had it happen again the next morning after I thought I was fine. I don’t know what caused it.
At some point I was able to get calmed down and felt OK the rest of Monday. It was scary to even try to go to sleep last night because I was afraid it would happen again, but I was fine… once I got to sleep I don’t think I moved all night, I was out. I’ve been fine today.
Any hint of congestion seems to get it going… I feel like I can’t breathe and now I’m worried about having another episode on top of that every time I get congested, so it’s a whole mental thing.
Anyways. Hopefully it doesn’t keep happening, I can’t imagine having to deal with that regularly like some people that get panic attacks do, it was miserable.
I’ve been fine today though so hopefully it’s not a recurring thing
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So common among high achievers, man. Sounds soft as hell, so no man wants to admit it, but it’s a real struggle.
Some things I’ve found alleviate my anxiety:
- Lifting/exercise - get in the gym!!!
- Meditation
- Detaching from tech
- Time with close friends
- Taking a break from or reduction in caffeine
- When my protocol is dialed (specifically when cream to the balls has been involved)
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I’ve seen this, too, just in my own experience. I was feeling good or great on cream (to the balls), then just so-so (or even bad sometimes) on injections for about a year, and now switching back fully to cream. I just reintroduced a light amount recently and could feel it working almost immediately.
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All those things helped my anxiety too. @ncsugrad2002 you’re not taking thyroid meds are you?
Thanks. It sucks, I’ve barely told anyone… my brother in law started to get them a year or so ago and I thought he was just being a wuss but holy f that sucked. Like I literally felt like I was drowning. I donated blood and got tested for COVID yesterday for the heck of it. My HCG and HBG haven’t gone up much since I started TRT but I figured it couldn’t hurt, and I got a free COVID test out of it. I don’t have results yet though.
Of course my sister in law is a urologist and my wife is visiting her right now… and she wanted to know if I was using a “sketchy” clinic or a “real” doctor, I really didn’t want to get into that with her so I never really answered. She tried to tell her no one needed HCG and TRT, just HCG would suffice, so I knew that wasn’t a road worth going down.
I will try all of those–It’s so weird, there’s been a couple of times yesterday and today when I wasn’t thinking about it and I literally basically fell asleep sitting up because I was so tired, but if I had laid down and tried to go to sleep I would have been worrying about having another episode… I should be able to PTFO tonight, hopefully. I’ve got to figure out the congestion issue though… I can use Afrin to force myself to open up but if I use it for more than another day or two I’m going to have some serious rebound congestion and then I’m stuck on Afrin for a while. I actually got congested last night some and it didn’t bother me while I was sleeping.
Anyways–thanks again, tonight’s reading is going to be about meditation. You’re also making me want to try the ball cream again, haha!
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Thanks, good to know it helped for you as well
No, I am not taking any thyroid meds. I tried them again a few weeks ago (for a couple of days) but it hasn’t been recent enough to be related, IMO anyways
One thing I don’t think I’ve mentioned, and I hesitate to even mention it because I doubt it’s connected, but I am close to running out of my regular T so on Sunday I used the UGL Test E that I had and also used it about a week ago and I had about a 1/2 freak out that night too. Needless to say I threw it in the trash regardless, even if just for my mental sanity. I’m injecting at night so literally time from injecting to freak out was like an hour. I’m just afraid there was some kind of stimulant in there or something. I’ve used it other times and never had any issues with it, so I think I’m connecting things that don’t exist, but who knows. I trashed it and will stick with the real pharmacy stuff just to be sure.
Typically UGL test isn’t going to have anything added to it since it would just cost them more money. More likely (but still not likely) it could be a completely different compound deca or tren. Guess it depends on how much you trust your UGL source. Also a lot of UGLs use shit synthetic carrier oils like MCT, which a lot of people have a bad reaction to. Either PIP, or feeling weird or shitty. You can tell pretty easily by the oil color and how viscous it is. Also the chemicals they use to dissolve the crystallized powdered into the oil can be cheap and contain contaminants (not to mention the powders themselves).
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Telltale sign she has no idea what she’s talking about and it’s not worth the conversation, lol.
DO IT!! I think it’d be a better solution for both of us, brother, and would love to compare our experiences.
Holy shit, this happens? Deca wouldn’t induce any type or panic or anxiety from my experience, but from what I know tren could make you feel like a complete psychopath. If that’s in there, it could explain the anxiety rushes.
I bought some UGL once a couple years before starting TRT. Did two small injections before changing my mind and deciding it wasn’t worth it. I was also paranoid about legality and getting busted. So grateful to have an above-ground solution and the guidance of a medical professional. We’ve got it good, man.
There are a lot of legit UGLs out there. Using them you won’t have that problem. But then there are counterfeits of the UGLs, and gym rats brewing this shit in their grandmas bathtub. So yeah, it happens. Largely depends on your source. It’s a lot more common with expensive ingredients. And also more common with orals like anavar. More likely you will just get underdosed or have no active ingredient at all.
Pretty much. There’s no way I could make enough T to do much with a SHBG of 150+, IMO anyways. At least she didn’t mention Clomid.
Last night I saw some details on a job she’s applying for… holy f. Like $400K+ sign on bonus and more than that in salary and annual bonuses on top of all that. I guess that’s why people take on the med school debt. She’s older than me and has never made very much, but she’s sure as heck about to.
K I have an appt Friday, had to use someone other than Saya, he’s booked out almost 3 weeks right now and I’ll be out before then. I’ll see if he’ll let me add a click or two of cream and see what happens. Trying to conceive right now though so I’ll probably have to only apply in the morning or after to avoid transferring
I’ve read some about Tren causing crazy anxiety but everything I could find said it kind of got worse and worse throughout a cycle of it, so by 6, 8, 10 weeks in people started getting bad anxiety but it wasn’t immediate. Who knows. I wish I could have the stuff analyzed just to see if that’s even possibly what it was. It wouldn’t make a lot of sense for them to put anything more expensive than T in there… T is dirt cheap so it’d make more sense for it to be the wrong ester or mis dosed or something but that doesn’t mean they didn’t
That’s what I bought this for actually… I bought some HCG first then T and then decided I didn’t want to have to worry about going through airports with it without a prescription, so I ended up going to Defy instead of going the DIY route. We are def lucky that we can afford it and it’s available as an option. I just hope no politicians try to screw that up one day.
Totally hear you. With how much I’ve gotten into science later in life, I’ve often wondered if I should’ve gone this route. I have an athletic background, so maybe I would’ve been a sports surgeon or something. But I wasn’t that responsible or big-picture-oriented in my teenage years/early 20s.
Nonetheless, I’m thrilled with how life has turned out – and we could always make big money doing something else, like real estate. I plan to look into it heavily. Money ain’t everything anyway!
I always see a PA and he’s available pretty readily. Obviously not as good as the big doc, but the convenience is nice…and he’s been with me since the start and is easygoing, has always given the OK to my requests. I bet Saya will, too. I started with 1 click this time and just got the green light to go fully onto cream. Maybe that ‘bridge’ method will be good for you too.
Is his name Ben by chance? PA is like half the price too so might stick with this route if he’s decent…