[quote]DBCooper wrote:
Warriors fans are the most sophisticated basketball fans in the country.[/quote]
Sophisticated, and CLASSY
[quote]Aggv wrote:
http://espn.go.com/blog/marc-stein/post/_/id/3896/lebrons-handling-of-blatt-unbecoming[/quote]
Whaddya expect from a pussy-ass bitch?
I could care less that the Warriors beat injured teams in the playoffs. My team was injured the last 2 years in the playoffs, so the basketball Gods gave us an easier road this year.
Maybe Cleveland is really cursed and will never win a title. But as a Bron fan, I hope he does eventually, but not against my team.
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
You’re thinking of this team as if they’re a lucky version of D’Antoni’s Suns. The more apt comparison would be the Spurs. They have depth, they have a LOT of players who are long, good defenders at about 6’7", 6’8", which makes them versatile, they have TWO legitimate 7-foot centers in Bogut and Ezeli, and they have the best defense in the league.
Kerr said it himself: you’re going to be a very good team when you lead the league in assists and defensive efficiency.
In the knock-down, drag-out series, their style of play is exactly what wins because of their defense. Sure, they’re a bit streaky on offense, but not on defense. And they have enough weapons to find points when they need it. The worst they looked all postseason was in Game 3 and they still had everyone shitting bricks when they turned a 17-point deficit into a 1-point deficit in about 5 minutes. Depth, a balanced attack, tenacious defense from the starters AND the bench, excellent scorers, a roster loaded with unselfish, good passers, what else would you want to dominate a 7-game series?[/quote]
I don’t disagree with your (homerish) assessment, actually.
#1 in OFF/DEF do pretty much speak for itself.
I also think Jerry West’s contributions aren’t adequately appreciated, in general.
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In case you haven’t noticed, this isn’t the NBA we grew up with anymore. You’ve got guys like Durant at the small forward position, you’ve got more 7-footers with Nowitzki’s game than Shaq’s game, and every team likes to jack up threes. The game is turning into a faster-paced, 3-point oriented one, and the Warriors are the best in the league at that. [/quote]
Very true. Ant Davis will likely inherit the “best player period” torch in a few years – Durant’s torch is the “best scorer” one – and a big part of that is his face-up game and handles.
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
You are so off-base with your analysis. First of all, you’re operating with some sort of 1995-ish impression of the NBA. This isn’t Knicks/Heat in the mid to late 90’s. Being able to go small isn’t the sick joke it used to be.[/quote]
Heh. Admittedly, there weren’t many other cards to play after the injury bug bit down so hard, and God knows someone needed to counter your lovefest.
But at the end of the day, aesthetics are a big deal to me and I’d already acknowledged the entertainment factor that GS brings. (Relatedly, I would agree that comparing GS to SA is apt)
I also hope we get a Finals rematch in 2016, because I do stand by my claim that GS wasn’t that much better than the other true contenders. And just maybe we’ll get to see about that.
Colin Cowherd brought up an interesting point on his radio show today:
Because PGs nowadays can basically penetrate at will, they’re also absorbing a ton of contact/punishment from bigs that they otherwise wouldn’t have. (D Rose, CP, B Jennings and of course Irving come to mind)
So bring back the handcheck and maybe more of em are playing longer into the season, earning an extra contract etc.
An interesting argument, to say the least.
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]Aggv wrote:
http://espn.go.com/blog/marc-stein/post/_/id/3896/lebrons-handling-of-blatt-unbecoming[/quote]
Whaddya expect from a pussy-ass bitch?[/quote]
sophisticated and classy …
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]chillain wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
That isn’t by accident. All season, Kerr preached the value of keeping his guys fresh for the playoffs.[/quote]
While I enjoyed the Machiavelli tie-in, let’s not go overboard neither. HC-Kerr can plan ahead all he wants and injuries will always be a part of the game. And while Kerr looks like a genius at the moment, HC-Blatt will likely lose his job over the exact same criterion. (granted, over-playing Irving in Game 1 was borderline unforgivable, though I maintain that James settling for that deep pullup at the end of regulation was at least as unforgivable)
And this actually ties into my earlier point about GS: they’re far, far better than the average NBA patsy but in the knockdown dragouts of best-of-7s versus similarly dominant teams… well, their style worked this year at least.
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I see that you are also a necrophiliac.
Perhaps James settled for the pull-up jumper because his legs were too tired to get to the hoop. Even with Irving out there, he was dominating each possession and Iguodala was wearing him down. Rather than focus on how James misplayed it, why not focus on the fact that great team defense all game might have been the reason for the forced shot. Rather than focus on what James did wrong, why not focus on what the Warriors did right?[/quote]
Revisiting this thread because I’ve got nothing better to do on a friday night:
Your necrophiliac analogy, while good in general, is utterly inapplicable in this Game 1 context. Fact is, GS’s team defense was incidental (and incredibly lucky) for any/all of the following reasons:
- James’ overall fatigue as he entered his 5th straight Finals (ok fine, GS gets credit for 47+ minutes of that)
- James’ playmaker/facilitator mentality (vs a cold-blooded scorer mentality like MJ, Bryant)
- James’ confidence borne from hitting a game-winner on that same court (and from basically the same spot) a year earlier - here’s the link, just add the ‘h’ - ttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxtBSSCwmrg
In other words, GS gets little/no credit for that particular decision. Not to say that this was a series-swinging possession – we can all agree that GS wasn’t going down 0-2 – but just maybe it keeps Irving healthy for a few more games… so yeah, it may well have been series-swinging after all.
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[quote]chillain wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]chillain wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
That isn’t by accident. All season, Kerr preached the value of keeping his guys fresh for the playoffs.[/quote]
While I enjoyed the Machiavelli tie-in, let’s not go overboard neither. HC-Kerr can plan ahead all he wants and injuries will always be a part of the game. And while Kerr looks like a genius at the moment, HC-Blatt will likely lose his job over the exact same criterion. (granted, over-playing Irving in Game 1 was borderline unforgivable, though I maintain that James settling for that deep pullup at the end of regulation was at least as unforgivable)
And this actually ties into my earlier point about GS: they’re far, far better than the average NBA patsy but in the knockdown dragouts of best-of-7s versus similarly dominant teams… well, their style worked this year at least.
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I see that you are also a necrophiliac.
Perhaps James settled for the pull-up jumper because his legs were too tired to get to the hoop. Even with Irving out there, he was dominating each possession and Iguodala was wearing him down. Rather than focus on how James misplayed it, why not focus on the fact that great team defense all game might have been the reason for the forced shot. Rather than focus on what James did wrong, why not focus on what the Warriors did right?[/quote]
Revisiting this thread because I’ve got nothing better to do on a friday night:
Your necrophiliac analogy, while good in general, is utterly inapplicable in this Game 1 context. Fact is, GS’s team defense was incidental (and incredibly lucky) for any/all of the following reasons:
- James’ overall fatigue as he entered his 5th straight Finals (ok fine, GS gets credit for 47+ minutes of that)
- James’ playmaker/facilitator mentality (vs a cold-blooded scorer mentality like MJ, Bryant)
- James’ confidence borne from hitting a game-winner on that same court (and from basically the same spot) a year earlier - here’s the link, just add the ‘h’ - ttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxtBSSCwmrg
In other words, GS gets little/no credit for that particular decision. Not to say that this was a series-swinging possession – we can all agree that GS wasn’t going down 0-2 – but just maybe it keeps Irving healthy for a few more games… so yeah, it may well have been series-swinging after all.
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You must really be bored to come on here and give credit for Lebron’s poor shot selection to everyone but the person who was actually guarding him.
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You are entirely off base to chalk Lebron’s perceived fatigue up to 5 previous Finals performances without also giving large credit to the person who was actually guarding him that night. You know, the eventual Finals MVP.
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His facilitator mentality? Were you even watching the game? The guy took about half the team’s shots in Game One! What indication at all did you have to even remotely suggest that Lebron wasn’t in full “cold-blooded scorer mentality”?
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I was AT that game last year, so I know full well what confidence he has. However, that is an entirely bullshit argument on your part. Do you really think anything along those lines entered his thinking? “Oh, gee. I hit a really tough shot from out there last year, so I can do it again. I’ll pass up an easier shot and purposely fade out toward the corner because I have confidence in myself! I’m Lebron Fucking James, and I’m the best player in the world!”
Besides, that shot wasn’t going to keep Irving any healthier no matter how it went down. The guy had already played for 40+ minutes at that point. As anyone who has had knee tendinitis can tell you, he would have been done for the next game anyways.
Irving’s fate for the series was already sealed. He would have been playing, most likely, every other game or he would have been increasingly ineffective as the series wore on. And he would have had a big drop-off from Game 1 to Game 2.
Keep in mind that Irving had played about 35 mpg coming into the Finals. That isn’t the way to handle someone with tendinitis in the knee. Had the Cavs prepared themselves against the whimsical nature of Fortune, they would have used every garbage time opportunity available to get Irving out of the game and try to find some minutes for guys like Mike Miller and Brendan Heywood.
Look at what the Warriors did this postseason. Who did they get key contributions from? Leandro Barbosa, David Lee, and Festus Ezeli, each of whom didn’t even play in several postseason games. They were the deeper, better team, even with Irving AND Love.
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
They were the deeper, better team, even with Irving AND Love.[/quote]
keep drinking that kool aid
[quote]Aggv wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
They were the deeper, better team, even with Irving AND Love.[/quote]
keep drinking that kool aid[/quote]
Ah, I see. You’re not only a necrophiliac, you also like to toss out trollish comments since you have already proven yourself to be utterly incapable of any sort of analytical thought at all. Carry on, good sir.
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]Aggv wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
They were the deeper, better team, even with Irving AND Love.[/quote]
keep drinking that kool aid[/quote]
Ah, I see. You’re not only a necrophiliac, you also like to toss out trollish comments since you have already proven yourself to be utterly incapable of any sort of analytical thought at all. Carry on, good sir. [/quote]
coming from the guy who mentioned brendan haywood as something other than an expiring contract.
Same guy who think’s his team is the 27’ yankees because it took them 6 games to beat a team they should have swept.
you’re so blind drunk on warrior kool aid it’s not even worth posting about anymore.
[quote]Aggv wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]Aggv wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
They were the deeper, better team, even with Irving AND Love.[/quote]
keep drinking that kool aid[/quote]
Ah, I see. You’re not only a necrophiliac, you also like to toss out trollish comments since you have already proven yourself to be utterly incapable of any sort of analytical thought at all. Carry on, good sir. [/quote]
coming from the guy who mentioned brendan haywood as something other than an expiring contract.
Same guy who think’s his team is the 27’ yankees because it took them 6 games to beat a team they should have swept.
you’re so blind drunk on warrior kool aid it’s not even worth posting about anymore.
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Drinking kool-aid, in your world, must be synonymous with “better analysis than I.”
When did I ever say that the Warriors were comparable to the '27 Yankees? In fact, when did I ever even insinuate such a thing? I think you’re projecting your own inflated sense of grandiosity now.
Yeah, I mentioned Brendan Heywood. What of it?
Not even worth posting anymore? You went from sophomorically trying to troll me to not even posting anymore? What happened in the interim? What, you realized that when all was said and done you had nothing with which to fortify your lame fucking argument? You claiming to walk away from this thread is akin to a child picking up his basketball and going home because the other boys picked you last.
There is no argument, or debate. You’re the one pontificating over a team which needed 6 games to beat a team they should have swept.
Your mention of Brendan Heywood only serves to further illustrate the fact that you have no clue what you’re talking about, and that you bandwagoned your way into this thread when they playoffs started.
as i said earlier, enjoy the parade, and maybe next year they’ll beat a team that’s whole.
I look forward to a large sophisticated block of text referring to Machiavelli and fucking dead people…
[quote]Aggv wrote:
There is no argument, or debate. You’re the one pontificating over a team which needed 6 games to beat a team they should have swept.
Your mention of Brendan Heywood only serves to further illustrate the fact that you have no clue what you’re talking about, and that you bandwagoned your way into this thread when they playoffs started.
as i said earlier, enjoy the parade, and maybe next year they’ll beat a team that’s whole.
I look forward to a large sophisticated block of text referring to Machiavelli and fucking dead people…[/quote]
So it IS worth posting…
[quote]Aggv wrote:
I look forward to a large sophisticated block of text referring to Machiavelli and fucking dead people…[/quote]
Bingo.
Just a distraction from his sophistry.
GS is definitely a deeper team than CLE, but I doubt better.
It doesn’t matter though ultimately. GS can only play the team on the floor.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]Aggv wrote:
I look forward to a large sophisticated block of text referring to Machiavelli and fucking dead people…[/quote]
Bingo.
Just a distraction from his sophistry.
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This sentence makes it painfully clear that you have absolutely no clue what I was arguing about earlier, nor do you have even an inkling of what sophistry means.
Had you known what sophistry is, you’d know that it is the use of fallacious, intellectually dishonest arguments to further a point. That point is usually why someone else is wrong and typically does not address the sophist’s own position.
Not once did I resort to a fallacious argument in a deceitful manner, and not once did I attack someone’s position without also providing evidence as to why my own position was the superior one.
But I should cut you some slack. Someone who would be distracted by the extremely analogous comparison I made between Machiavelli and the “fortune” of the Warriors clearly isn’t equipped to properly use terms like “sophistry”. The fact that you were distracted at all shows you have no attention span and you certainly don’t have an analytical bone in your body. Just like all other American League fans.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
GS is definitely a deeper team than CLE, but I doubt better.
It doesn’t matter though ultimately. GS can only play the team on the floor.[/quote]
Deeper and better aren’t mutually exclusive terms by any means. What in the fucking world do you think “deeper” refers to? The deeper team is the one with more good players. The deeper team IS the better team in most cases. The only time the deeper team is not the better team is when both teams are still close depth-wise, but one team has a player who is heads and shoulders above the next best guy on the court.
You can doubt “better” all you want, but you obviously aren’t mentally equipped to make that assessment. You see, “better” is an ambiguous term until the teams play each other. In that case, the better team is the one that wins. The Warriors won twice as many Finals games as the Cavs, and the last three games weren’t really that close. They are the better team by literally ANY AND ALL metrics you want to throw out there.
Of course, I wouldn’t expect a whole lot of insight from someone who predicted that Memphis vs. Portland would be the best first-round matchup. Anyone with a commitment to the game of basketball could have told you that matchup was going to be a shitshow, which is exactly what Memphis turned it into.