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[quote]sam_sneed wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

Yeah cause Felton is the answer…

You’re “betting” that they COULD beat brooklyn and boston again, but the bottom line is until i see them consistently beating these lesser teams, i am unimpressed. And dominating brooklyn is no great feat, they havent done shit this season.

We will have to agree to disagree on this one. Nothing thats been done by the knicks already is going to change my opinion. The only way that happens is based on what they do from here on out. [/quote]

If you’re not impressed with them being a half game away from the best record in the Eastern Conference (despite injuries) along with the wins against Miami and the Spurs, I doubt you’ll be impressed with the rest of their season no matter who they beat.[/quote]

Being number 2 in the eastern conference this season isnt the most impressive feat…

Im looking beyond the records, at where and how the losses came. And to me, the most consistent thing about the knicks record is that theyve managed to drop multiple games a piece to lower ranked teams.

Yeah OKC and Miami both have losses to the wizards, OKC also lost to charlotte if im not mistaken, but thats an anomaly, and they havent been letting lesser teams beat them on multiple occasions. They are a far superior team than the knicks so lets not make that comparison.

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Who is comparing?

Its pretty obvious that you dont watch Knick games for the following reasons.

  • When Kidd and Felton are on the court together the ball movement has been excellent, the ball protection has been excellent thats why they lead the league in least amount of turnovers. Besides Melo having a monster offensive year this is why their offense has been very good.

  • Lets take a look at some of the losses, against the Kings no Melo, 1 game against the Bulls no Melo, Against the Nets No Kidd, Now they wouldnt have one all of these games, but probably would have beat the Kings and possibly the nets or the Bulls if they had a full compliment of players.

  • Kidd is one of the best point guards of all time, its no coincidence that where-ever he goes he wins, He goes to the nets they go to back to back championships, He goes to Dallas they win a championship now he is with the Knicks and there off to their best start in 12 years.

  • Of course kidd is old and he doesent put up gaudy stats, but he makes the Knicks go on offense. We all know Kidd will never be known as a shooter, however he is in the top 5 in 3pt scoring with an excellent 44% 3pt FG Rating.

  • A 500 team or a team such as the Nets is what I would label as inconsistent, one game they beat the Thunder another they get demolished by the Bucks.

  • In one post you state that you think the Knicks can beat the Heat, in another you state its questionable that the Knicks will get out of the first round, make up your mind.

  • The Thunder lose to the Wizards, Bobcats and Nets…thats an anomoly. However the Knicks have losses against talented teams such as the Nets, Bulls, Celtics and Lakers (at home) and other bad teams without their main players and their is reason to worry. OKC has some of the same blunders by losing to teams they are decidedly better than. They have also lost against good teams (Spurs, Grizzlies and Hawks) Same as the Knicks.

An excellent team has an excellent record at home (check) and a good record on the road (double check).

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[quote]MattyXL wrote:
Who is comparing?

Its pretty obvious that you dont watch Knick games for the following reasons.

  • When Kidd and Felton are on the court together the ball movement has been excellent, the ball protection has been excellent thats why they lead the league in least amount of turnovers. Besides Melo having a monster offensive year this is why their offense has been very good.

  • Lets take a look at some of the losses, against the Kings no Melo, 1 game against the Bulls no Melo, Against the Nets No Kidd, Now they wouldnt have one all of these games, but probably would have beat the Kings and possibly the nets or the Bulls if they had a full compliment of players.

  • Kidd is one of the best point guards of all time, its no coincidence that where-ever he goes he wins, He goes to the nets they go to back to back championships, He goes to Dallas they win a championship now he is with the Knicks and there off to their best start in 12 years.

  • Of course kidd is old and he doesent put up gaudy stats, but he makes the Knicks go on offense. We all know Kidd will never be known as a shooter, however he is in the top 5 in 3pt scoring with an excellent 44% 3pt FG Rating.

  • A 500 team or a team such as the Nets is what I would label as inconsistent, one game they beat the Thunder another they get demolished by the Bucks.

  • In one post you state that you think the Knicks can beat the Heat, in another you state its questionable that the Knicks will get out of the first round, make up your mind.

  • The Thunder lose to the Wizards, Bobcats and Nets…thats an anomoly. However the Knicks have losses against talented teams such as the Nets, Bulls, Celtics and Lakers (at home) and other bad teams without their main players and their is reason to worry. OKC has some of the same blunders by losing to teams they are decidedly better than. They have also lost against good teams (Spurs, Grizzlies and Hawks) Same as the Knicks.

An excellent team has an excellent record at home (check) and a good record on the road (double check).[/quote]

Im tired of arguing about how inconsistency should be defined. This all stems from a post where i said i thought the Knicks were inconsistent, their is no generally accepted baseline for what that means so im not gonna continue trying to pursuade anyone otherwise. If you think its going .500, fine, but I dont. Ive stated my reasons for feeling the way i do about them, and as i said earlier, my view will only change based on what the Knicks do, not what other people tell me about what they have done.

I also said that Jason kid used to be great, he’s a part of the reason that the knicks are having the success they are this year, i just dont believe hes this huge difference maker at this point in his career. I dont hold his skills to such high esteem anymore.

I did say that it wouldnt surprise me if the knicks can beat the heat in a 7 game series, that doesnt mean i think it will happen. Stylistically though its not oustide the realm of possibility. The reason i said i would be surprised if the knicks make it beyond the second round of the playoffs is because i dont believe they are CONSISTENT enough to be able to beat talented teams over multiple 7 game series’.

And Sneed drew the comparison between thunder’s loss to the wizards and the losses i mentioned that NY has suffered. I dont believe the knicks are on OKC’s level, not by a longshot. You dont have to agree with that, but nothings gonna change my opinion.

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lol ok

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[quote]MattyXL wrote:
lol ok[/quote]

To each his own, bud.

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knicks won’t make it to the finals this year.

okc VS heat repeat.

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and i’m torn between choosing watching kobe/durant/lebron play if i ever go to the states someday (from singapore). kobe because he’s one of my favourite players and inspiration. durant and lebron because they’re just so damn good.

if jordan was still playing though…

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[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

And Sneed drew the comparison between thunder’s loss to the wizards and the losses i mentioned that NY has suffered. I dont believe the knicks are on OKC’s level, not by a longshot. You dont have to agree with that, but nothings gonna change my opinion. [/quote]

lol, when did I do that? Please quote.

I know OKC is playing at another level. So are the Clippers. I’m only comparing the Knicks to the Heat who have virtually the same record and have also lost to some shitty teams while beating the good ones.

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[quote]LTKO wrote:
knicks won’t make it to the finals this year.

okc VS heat repeat.[/quote]

Yeah, OKC vs Heat is probably a safe bet. Still would be interested though, id like to see what changes OKC would make this time around.

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[quote]sam_sneed wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

And Sneed drew the comparison between thunder’s loss to the wizards and the losses i mentioned that NY has suffered. I dont believe the knicks are on OKC’s level, not by a longshot. You dont have to agree with that, but nothings gonna change my opinion. [/quote]

lol, when did I do that? Please quote.

I know OKC is playing at another level. So are the Clippers. I’m only comparing the Knicks to the Heat who have virtually the same record and have also lost to some shitty teams while beating the good ones.[/quote]

You compared OKC’s loss to the wizards to the losses i listed that the knicks have suffered. Thus, you drew a comparison between OKC and the knicks.

Did i claim you said something you did not? If so, my bad.

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Anybody else watch Lakers take on spurs tonight? Good game, but Kobe in particular had some fuckin nasty shots. Midway through the 3rd he dropped a 3 from like 5 feet behind the line.

I was at the gym while the game was playing so i didnt catch the whole thing, but at one point i caught a replay where it looked like he went up for the shot, got fouled, and as he fell backwards, damn near about to hit the floor, still got off an impossibly hard shot and made it. Ill try to find the clips to post later tonight.

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Heat and Knicks on the same level?

mfw

The Heat dog it for 3 quarters then turn it on in the 4th because they know they can get away with it. Knicks would get crushed by the Heat in a 7 game series.

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[quote]therajraj wrote:
Heat and Knicks on the same level?

mfw

The Heat dog it for 3 quarters then turn it on in the 4th because they know they can get away with it. Knicks would get crushed by the Heat in a 7 game series.
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Id say heat is definitely the favorite, but as i said earlier, its an interesting style match-up and it doesnt surprise me that the knicks have had some success against the heat this season.

However, post-season heat and regular season heat are two very different animals, so we will see.

I hate making playoff predictions this early in the season though.

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[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:
Anybody else watch Lakers take on spurs tonight? Good game, but Kobe in particular had some fuckin nasty shots. Midway through the 3rd he dropped a 3 from like 5 feet behind the line.

I was at the gym while the game was playing so i didnt catch the whole thing, but at one point i caught a replay where it looked like he went up for the shot, got fouled, and as he fell backwards, damn near about to hit the floor, still got off an impossibly hard shot and made it. Ill try to find the clips to post later tonight. [/quote]

Let’s talk about the Spurs for a second… wait, who talks about the Spurs? LOL.

Spurs played great basketball for the majority of the game up until the 4th quarter where they just became stagnant. Almost as if they were bored. I doubt they play that lackadaisical if the Lakers actually presented any kind of threat. The thing is, the Lakers have kind of lost that brand respect or goodwill if you want it (accounting terms) borne solely on the basis that they are the Lakers. The current Laker roster is kind of diminishing the Laker legacy but failing to win with all the talent they have. No wonder Magic Johnson is blasting the Lakers (and even Kobe) on Twitter.

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[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:
Heat and Knicks on the same level?

mfw

The Heat dog it for 3 quarters then turn it on in the 4th because they know they can get away with it. Knicks would get crushed by the Heat in a 7 game series.
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Id say heat is definitely the favorite, but as i said earlier, its an interesting style match-up and it doesnt surprise me that the knicks have had some success against the heat this season.

However, post-season heat and regular season heat are two very different animals, so we will see.

I hate making playoff predictions this early in the season though. [/quote]

I personally like the Knicks. I’m of the opinion that New York CAN beat the Heat in a 7 game series. I think they’re deeper and more versatile. The only question is how Carmelo plays in the playoffs. You can get into the whole “it’s a team” ideology (that I personally prescribe too – explaining why I was a early 2000s Kings fan and long-time Spurs and Mavs fan) but if one guy in your starting roster, save your best player, doesn’t give his best effort when it counts it ultimately weighs on the team beyond just lost statistical production (team/locker room energy/mood)

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[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:
Heat and Knicks on the same level?

mfw

The Heat dog it for 3 quarters then turn it on in the 4th because they know they can get away with it. Knicks would get crushed by the Heat in a 7 game series.
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Id say heat is definitely the favorite, but as i said earlier, its an interesting style match-up and it doesnt surprise me that the knicks have had some success against the heat this season.

However, post-season heat and regular season heat are two very different animals, so we will see.

I hate making playoff predictions this early in the season though. [/quote]

I personally like the Knicks. I’m of the opinion that New York CAN beat the Heat in a 7 game series. I think they’re deeper and more versatile. The only question is how Carmelo plays in the playoffs. You can get into the whole “it’s a team” ideology (that I personally prescribe too – explaining why I was a early 2000s Kings fan and long-time Spurs and Mavs fan) but if one guy in your starting roster, save your best player, doesn’t give his best effort when it counts it ultimately weighs on the team beyond just lost statistical production (team/locker room energy/mood)
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I agree with everything you’re saying here. Not to sound like a broken record, but i agree the knicks are capable of taking the heat. However as was already mentioned, hard to gauge the heat based off regular season losses because they often save their energy for the big games/post-season. Obviously heat arent the only ones who do this but they seem to worry very little about having the best regular season record.

I also agree with everything you said in your post about the lakers/spurs. The lakers havent given any good teams reason to respect them this season. Theyve pulled off a couple of good wins like they did against the knicks, but even the worst teams are bound to get a few quality wins through the course of a season.

As i said, i was at the gym while the game was on, so i was peeking at it in between sets, but i did catch those 2 crazy shots by kobe which were definitely highlight reel material.

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I had no idea

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[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

You compared OKC’s loss to the wizards to the losses i listed that the knicks have suffered. Thus, you drew a comparison between OKC and the knicks.

Did i claim you said something you did not? If so, my bad.[/quote]

No, I didn’t even mention that at all. Maybe you got the posts mixed. No big deal.

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[quote]therajraj wrote:
Heat and Knicks on the same level?

mfw

The Heat dog it for 3 quarters then turn it on in the 4th because they know they can get away with it. Knicks would get crushed by the Heat in a 7 game series.
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The Heat and Knicks are my 2 favorite teams to watch so I catch alot of games. More Knicks since they’re the local team so they’re obviously on more often. The Heat don’t have the defense they had last year. They’re smaller but somehow they rotate slower on defense than last year. Maybe it’s laziness, IDK. “Crushed by Heat” though? I don’t see that happening.

No Carmelo tonight. He got suspended for that high school shit he pulled the other night. I really have no idea where they’re going to get their offense from tonight. This is when a healthy Amare would make a huge difference. I have a feeling JR Smith is going to try and “step up” and we’ll see a bunch not so good shots chucked up.

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[quote]sam_sneed wrote:

The Heat and Knicks are my 2 favorite teams to watch so I catch alot of games. More Knicks since they’re the local team so they’re obviously on more often. The Heat don’t have the defense they had last year. They’re smaller but somehow they rotate slower on defense than last year. Maybe it’s laziness, IDK. “Crushed by Heat” though? I don’t see that happening.

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I watch about 3-4 of their games a months and I find laziness is exactly what it is. I mean how many games do you see them trail for 3 quarters or only lead slightly and then completely takeoff in the 4th quarter?

Seems like it happens constantly by my observation.