"Nazi Punching": Good or Bad?

I think its just lack of knowledge. If people knew how bad communism and the USSR really was they’d have much less of a tolerance for them.

I’ve had the privilege of hearing first hand. I’d say they were worse. Much more long term suffering and death.

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More so just defending the “good guys on both sides,” claim. I believe there were. I also believe all of it should be covered and not misrepresented to make Trump look bad, as that can be done without giving a misleading impression.

Eh, you can’t compare the two in terms of gradation.

I can just offer some insights by my late grand-grandmother and grandmother who’ve survived both the Holocaust and had lived under communism - Nazi rule was allegedly very Wagnerian, manifesting itself on the ground as an orgy of nihilistic murder and violence. Supposedly there was no time for inflection as people were focused on immediate day-to-day survival. You knew that it simply couldn’t continue forever - either it will be defeated in battle or you’ll fall victim to it so you simply didn’t care.
Communism on the other hand was a much longer, drawn out process with a semblance of skewed normality after the violence of the immediate postwar years - that’s why outbursts of purges and violence were interspersed with periods of relative calm. You had to live your life waiting, minding every step, for your number to come up, either after a denunciation from a envious neighbor or simply by an application of some top-down imposed criterion for elimination.

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I can’t even begin to imagine how bad either would be.

Belated kudos to them for surviving some of the worst movements in modern history. Sincerely.

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Thanks man, I only learned later in life how cool of a character my grand-grandmother was - a former accomplished actress, and without any papers of her own, she burst into the local Gestapo office and armed only with a crude forgery of a certificate of Aryan ancestry she threw a spectacular tantrum, dared everyone to call her fictitious Nazi higher up friends and got her three children off a train bound for Dachau , knowing full well that her husband, her parents and her siblings with their families will stay on that train.

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I hesitate to ask but did any of them make it out?

Only her sister, my grand-grand aunt. She lost her husband and her children, not to mention her parents and relatives. As her sister, my grand-grand mother, managed to save her children as I’ve described above, she became convinced that her sister collaborated with the Nazis in some way and never spoke to her again.

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@loppar

Man, I actually learn stuff from reading your posts. And your stories…Dude!

You have totally nailed the whole Communism thing in one paragraph.

Big thumbs up.

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Well, I think it’s simple. The Nazi’s killed specific people based on race, religion, sexual orientation, etc. The Soviets killed indiscriminately, so it was more fair.

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Oh no, no no. The Soviet Terror had a strong ethnic component - the Ukrainian genocide was conceived to cleanse the industrial Donbas basin and settle Russian speakers there. Latvians, Lithuanians, Chechens and others were disproportionally singled out, not to mention the Jews, who’m Stalin vociferously hated and who were slated for deportation to the far East to (mostly) perish.

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Okay, we’ll go with ‘less discriminatory’

After the Tree of LIfe shooting, “good” seems more attractive as an answer.

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This is what happens when society in general overuses the term “Nazi”. When actual Nazis show up, it’s a story of the boy who cried wolf…

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2jar, a treat for you: