[quote]DickBag wrote:
what about the philipeens?
i doubt they would have this whole “wide shoulders narrow waiste” theory.
different people want defferent things.
some women think small waistes are girly.
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Some Greek statues have pretty thick waist bones/ab muscles, they’re just not fat.
Also, I’m pretty sure women look at height and facial aesthetics first and foremost in the western world. Of course, the facial aesthetics may need to conform to some of the things digital air alluded to earlier, and height is also mostly genetic.
and here i thought women looked at the size of the mans member and THEN judged him.
i was sadly mistaken; they were looking at my face!
[quote]eic wrote:
Yo Momma wrote:
Men may seek high estrogen women for procreation, but they prefer high[er] testosterone women for fun.
Fixed. No man wants a woman with a 'stache, no matter how well she shoots whiskey and pool. [/quote]
That’s what laser hair removal is for.
I would think that since testosterone is responsible for libido, in both men and women, a high estrogen woman is not as interested in sex, nor would she be as aggressive in seeking it. (Except when she is ovulating, and fertile)
Once she has a baby, her libido becomes non-existant. This is a primitive survival instinct, to insure that the mother focus all her attention (and lactation) to ensure survival of the next generation.
So the man has no more sex with her, so he has an affair with an aggressive, lusty high(er) testosterone woman, who wants sex as much as he does. So perhaps the reverse is true for men, too, as I mentioned above.
Also, women vary in their T-levels as well as their E levels. Not all women lose their libido completely after (or during) pregnancy and childbirth.
I am willing to bet that testosterone is not the sole indicator of libido. Correlated with it? Sure, but there must be instances where men/women with low-T still show signs of a high libido and vice versa.
Yo Momma,
That reference #142 raised my libido…
[quote]PonceDeLeon wrote:
I am willing to bet that testosterone is not the sole indicator of libido. Correlated with it? Sure, but there must be instances where men/women with low-T still show signs of a high libido and vice versa.
Yo Momma,
That reference #142 raised my libido…[/quote]
HAHAHA!
Now if only the NIH would fund my sex lab. I need to put my theories into practice.
And you’re right, women’s libido is greater than the sum of her hormones.
[quote]Yo Momma wrote:
That’s what laser hair removal is for.
I would think that since testosterone is responsible for libido, in both men and women, a high estrogen woman is not as interested in sex, nor would she be as aggressive in seeking it. (Except when she is ovulating, and fertile)
Once she has a baby, her libido becomes non-existant. This is a primitive survival instinct, to insure that the mother focus all her attention (and lactation) to ensure survival of the next generation.
So the man has no more sex with her, so he has an affair with an aggressive, lusty high(er) testosterone woman, who wants sex as much as he does. So perhaps the reverse is true for men, too, as I mentioned above.
Also, women vary in their T-levels as well as their E levels. Not all women lose their libido completely after (or during) pregnancy and childbirth.
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Actually, estrogen has a significant impact on libido. Indeed, men who go crazy with aromatase inhibitors (AI’s), and thereby drop estrogen too low find that they have little interest in sex. This has given rise to the popularity of SERMs (Selective Estrogen Receptor Modulators) which block the action of estrogen in some tissues and not others. But you’re right; a woman with less than ideal T levels will probably suffer from a loss of libido. This is all very complicated, of course. Maybe we should say that the ideal woman should have sufficient estrogen to keep her feminine and just enough testosterone to keep things interesting?
[quote]Dylanj wrote:
OctoberGirl wrote:
But in regards to your question, what makes you ask? Are you seeking to understand why, or are you looking for a blueprint for how to build your body?
that is exactly what i am doing. blueprint is a perfect way to put it. I figure the most primal instincts may be the best ones to follow.[/quote]
Well, if you’re looking to be attractive to the widest selection of women, build your bank account first, then your face, then your body.
DB
[quote]dollarbill44 wrote:
Dylanj wrote:
OctoberGirl wrote:
But in regards to your question, what makes you ask? Are you seeking to understand why, or are you looking for a blueprint for how to build your body?
that is exactly what i am doing. blueprint is a perfect way to put it. I figure the most primal instincts may be the best ones to follow.
Well, if you’re looking to be attractive to the widest selection of women, build your bank account first, then your face, then your body.
DB[/quote]
OUCH!!! but maybe a little true
More than just a little truth in DB’s statement.
So if I understand correctly you guys actually believe that women know what they want and it’s the same thing from one minute to the next?
[quote]dollarbill44 wrote:
Well, if you’re looking to be attractive to the widest selection of women, build your bank account first, then your face, then your body.
DB[/quote]
Except, if you can cook, it is almost equivalent to the three qualities you listed.
And if you can’t even boil water, just remember that women will always rely on men to kill their spiders. Always.
So long as we all realize we end up with the person we chose.
Some women can be shallow, but not all of us, same as some men can be shallow and hopefully not all of you.
Can anyone explain the attraction to Orlando Bloom, Jude Law, the Jonas Brothers, etc? I don’t see much masculinity, let alone testosterone, in that bunch. In fact, there was a time when male film stars actually looked and acted like men: Gable, Grant, Tracy, Bogart, Cooper, and others. We’ve gone from handsome to pretty it seems.
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
Can anyone explain the attraction to Orlando Bloom, Jude Law, the Jonas Brothers, etc? I don’t see much masculinity, let alone testosterone, in that bunch. In fact, there was a time when male film stars actually looked and acted like men: Gable, Grant, Tracy, Bogart, Cooper, and others. We’ve gone from handsome to pretty it seems. [/quote]
but who is it that is attracted to them? It isn’t women. It’s teenage girls. Women that I know like the more manly type guys
With some of them, like the Jonas Brothers I would agree it’s girls but actors like Law, Bloom, Depp, are considered sex symbols. I’m not saying that they are not good actors but it seems that actors who are more masculine are less common. What’s going to happen when DeNiro and Pacino are gone? It just seems like there is a trend that’s been going on for a while now in which masculinity has to be toned down. Maybe I’m wrong but I just saw a Gregory Peck film the other day and I couldn’t picture who could play that part today. I guess it’s not simply a case of the actors but the parts as well. They don’t call for much masculinity.
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
With some of them, like the Jonas Brothers I would agree it’s girls but actors like Law, Bloom, Depp, are considered sex symbols. I’m not saying that they are not good actors but it seems that actors who are more masculine are less common. What’s going to happen when DeNiro and Pacino are gone? It just seems like there is a trend that’s been going on for a while now in which masculinity has to be toned down. Maybe I’m wrong but I just saw a Gregory Peck film the other day and I couldn’t picture who could play that part today. I guess it’s not simply a case of the actors but the parts as well. They don’t call for much masculinity. [/quote]
I am not a fan of De Niro or Pacino…
I like Daniel Craig, Christian Bale, Vin Diesel, The Rock, Hugh Jackman, Viggo Mortenson, Patrick Harris as Barney!
This is masculinity. My dad just caught this snake in the driveway with a stick.
close up on the snake. Okay… . I freaked out thinking it was a rattlesnake, it turns out it was only a gopher snake but… I DIDN’T LIKE IT!
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
zecarlo wrote:
With some of them, like the Jonas Brothers I would agree it’s girls but actors like Law, Bloom, Depp, are considered sex symbols. I’m not saying that they are not good actors but it seems that actors who are more masculine are less common. What’s going to happen when DeNiro and Pacino are gone? It just seems like there is a trend that’s been going on for a while now in which masculinity has to be toned down. Maybe I’m wrong but I just saw a Gregory Peck film the other day and I couldn’t picture who could play that part today. I guess it’s not simply a case of the actors but the parts as well. They don’t call for much masculinity.
I am not a fan of De Niro or Pacino…
I like Daniel Craig, Christian Bale, Vin Diesel, The Rock, Hugh Jackman, Viggo Mortenson, Patrick Harris as Barney!
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Also not a fan of De Niro or Pacino. And I agree with the rest of the list (not sure about Patrick Harris though) but I also wouldn’t kick the Depps, Blooms or Jude Laws out of bed either. They’re all good. In different ways. Also that guy who played Mark Antony on Rome. But then add Titus Pullo, and Lucius Vorenus to the list…