NASA Announcement Today

[quote]Rockscar wrote:
ZEB wrote:
WOW!

Just think water on other planets. Who knows, several trillion more dollars and we might even get a distorted photo of that water…

I’m pumped!

No Shit. More money is spent on crap like this than in Iraq. Why can’t we have a political movement for decrasing these programs to offset other local disater and war on terror spending.[/quote]

Thanks for backing up Zeb there.

Scientific exploration? Fuck that.

Let’s kill more Arabs and put cameras everywhere.

Its nice to know that in what…60 years…we’ve gone from propeller planes, to satellites, to landing a man on the moon, to exploring the own depths of our solar system and beyond.

And yet we still want to put more money into finding new and creative ways to mangle and destroy each other.

Fucking sad.

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
ZEB wrote:
WOW!

Just think water on other planets. Who knows, several trillion more dollars and we might even get a distorted photo of that water…

I’m pumped!

yea. What will religion say if we find life on other planets…

Fuck it, lets not bother trying to unravel life’s mysteries, and lets spend more money on overturning South American governments and killing Arabs.

You really hit the nail on the head there Zeb. I expect nothing less…[/quote]

And I’ve come to expect nothing less of you than to attack any and all who have more than you, done more than you and know more than you.

See ya kid!
:wink:

Hey wait…isn’t there a “Save The Whales” march going on somewhere you can hook up with Irish?

Or, how about a Cindy Sheehan march you can join in…Hmm there must be something productive like that out there for you.

:slight_smile:

[quote]ZEB wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
ZEB wrote:
WOW!

Just think water on other planets. Who knows, several trillion more dollars and we might even get a distorted photo of that water…

I’m pumped!

yea. What will religion say if we find life on other planets…

Fuck it, lets not bother trying to unravel life’s mysteries, and lets spend more money on overturning South American governments and killing Arabs.

You really hit the nail on the head there Zeb. I expect nothing less…

And I’ve come to expect nothing less of you than to attack any and all who have more than you, done more than you and know more than you.

See ya kid!
;)[/quote]

I’m attacking you because you are quick to rely on the Bible for everything, and you are sarcastic as soon as anything involving science comes up, and you pretty much call it a waste of money. Funny how that works.

It wasn’t people like me that burned Galileos.

[quote]AverageJay wrote:
Well shit, they found water on one of Saturn’s moons. Now the aliens know we know they are out there. We are toast. Great job NASA.[/quote]

I don’t know why, but that was funny. Funnier than it should have been. I’m still giggling.

I need to get off the painkillers.

[quote]PSlave wrote:
AverageJay wrote:
Well shit, they found water on one of Saturn’s moons. Now the aliens know we know they are out there. We are toast. Great job NASA.

I don’t know why, but that was funny. Funnier than it should have been. I’m still giggling.

I need to get off the painkillers.[/quote]

Hey, you watch enough Star Trek and the Sci Fi channel and you know how this shit goes down.

** packs bags and heads for the hills **

[quote]AverageJay wrote:
PSlave wrote:
AverageJay wrote:
Well shit, they found water on one of Saturn’s moons. Now the aliens know we know they are out there. We are toast. Great job NASA.

I don’t know why, but that was funny. Funnier than it should have been. I’m still giggling.

I need to get off the painkillers.

Hey, you watch enough Star Trek and the Sci Fi channel and you know how this shit goes down.

** packs bags and heads for the hills **
[/quote]

Oh Lord, save me from the 800mg Ibuprofen.

Shit, save a place for me!

[quote]Rockscar wrote:
ZEB wrote:
WOW!

Just think water on other planets. Who knows, several trillion more dollars and we might even get a distorted photo of that water…

I’m pumped!

No Shit. More money is spent on crap like this than in Iraq. Why can’t we have a political movement for decrasing these programs to offset other local disater and war on terror spending.[/quote]

The answer is the privatization of NASA. Instead of forcing the science down our throats, they can let us make a rational decision. It will never happen though. Just like the privatization of Social Security and welfare will never happen. Plain and simple, our government is too fucking huge and it isn’t getting any smaller until it ceases to exist.

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
ZEB wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
ZEB wrote:
WOW!

Just think water on other planets. Who knows, several trillion more dollars and we might even get a distorted photo of that water…

I’m pumped!

yea. What will religion say if we find life on other planets…

Fuck it, lets not bother trying to unravel life’s mysteries, and lets spend more money on overturning South American governments and killing Arabs.

You really hit the nail on the head there Zeb. I expect nothing less…

And I’ve come to expect nothing less of you than to attack any and all who have more than you, done more than you and know more than you.

See ya kid!
:wink:

I’m attacking you because you are quick to rely on the Bible for everything, and you are sarcastic as soon as anything involving science comes up, and you pretty much call it a waste of money. Funny how that works.

It wasn’t people like me that burned Galileos.[/quote]

You may not have noticed because you are so busy with your nutty left wing rants, I don’t bring up the Bible unless someone else does first.

Run…go check it out.

Also, I’m a very logical guy. NASA spends a great deal of money each year. Please show me exactly what we are getting for it, besides fuzzy pictures of distant galaxies?

You know Irish we could spend this money feeding all those kids who will not be dying from abortion once the Bush court overturns Roe V Wade…

And…that will happen!

I don’t post often however space exploration is very close to my heart; so I will start off by saying that those of you who have ever used a computer, a cell phone, a calculator, or have used a wireless network please feel free to thank NASA and the other space agencies.

As for what good the space agency is I went here to see if I could change you nay-sayers minds: http://www.whitehouse.gov/space/renewed_spirit.html

Here is the full article (just in case the hyper link doesn’t work)

Bringing the Vision to Reality (HTML) (PDF)

Background

From the Apollo landings on the Moon, to robotic surveys of the Sun and the planets, to the compelling images captured by advanced space telescopes, U.S. achievements in space have revolutionized humanity’s view of the universe and have inspired Americans and people around the world. These achievements also have led to the development of technologies that have widespread applications to address problems on Earth. As the world enters the second century of powered flight, it is time to articulate a new vision that will define and guide U.S. space exploration activities for the next several decades.

Today, humanity has the potential to seek answers to the most fundamental questions posed about the existence of life beyond Earth. Telescopes have found planets around other stars. Robotic probes have identified potential resources on the Moon, and evidence of water – a key ingredient for life – has been found on Mars and the moons of Jupiter.

Direct human experience in space has fundamentally altered our perspective of humanity and our place in the universe. Humans have the ability to respond to the unexpected developments inherent in space travel and possess unique skills that enhance discoveries. Just as Mercury, Gemini, and Apollo challenged a generation of Americans, a renewed U.S. space exploration program with a significant human component can inspire us – and our youth – to greater achievements on Earth and in space.

The loss of Space Shuttles Challenger and Columbia and their crews are a stark reminder of the inherent risks of space flight and the severity of the challenges posed by space exploration. In preparation for future human exploration, we must advance our ability to live and work safely in space and, at the same time, develop the technologies to extend humanity’s reach to the Moon, Mars, and beyond. The new technologies required for further space exploration also will improve the Nation’s other space activities and may provide applications that could be used to address problems on Earth.

Like the explorers of the past and the pioneers of flight in the last century, we cannot today identify all that we will gain from space exploration; we are confident, nonetheless, that the eventual return will be great. Like their efforts, the success of future U.S. space exploration will unfold over generations.

Goals and Objectives

The fundamental goal of this vision is to advance U.S. scientific, security, and economic interests through a robust space exploration program. In support of this goal, the United States will:

Implement a sustained and affordable human and robotic program to explore the solar system and beyond;
Extend human presence across the solar system, starting with a human return to the Moon by the year 2020, in preparation for human exploration of Mars and other destinations;
Develop the innovative technologies, knowledge, and infrastructures both to explore and to support decisions about the destinations for human exploration; and
Promote international and commercial participation in exploration to further U.S. scientific, security, and economic interests.
Bringing the Vision to Reality

The Administrator of the National Aeronautics and Space Administration will be responsible for the plans, programs, and activities required to implement this vision, in coordination with other agencies, as deemed appropriate. The Administrator will plan and implement an integrated, long-term robotic and human exploration program structured with measurable milestones and executed on the basis of available resources, accumulated experience, and technology readiness.

To implement this vision, the Administrator will conduct the following activities and take other actions as required:

A. Exploration Activities in Low Earth Orbit
Space Shuttle

Return the Space Shuttle to flight as soon as practical, based on the recommendations of the Columbia Accident Investigation Board;
Focus use of the Space Shuttle to complete assembly of the International Space Station; and
Retire the Space Shuttle as soon as assembly of the International Space Station is completed, planned for the end of this decade;
International Space Station

Complete assembly of the International Space Station, including the U.S. components that support U.S. space exploration goals and those provided by foreign partners, planned for the end of this decade;
Focus U.S. research and use of the International Space Station on supporting space exploration goals, with emphasis on understanding how the space environment affects astronaut health and capabilities and developing countermeasures; and
Conduct International Space Station activities in a manner consistent with U.S. obligations contained in the agreements between the United States and other partners in the International Space Station.
B. Space Exploration Beyond Low Earth Orbit

The Moon

Undertake lunar exploration activities to enable sustained human and robotic exploration of Mars and more distant destinations in the solar system;
Starting no later than 2008, initiate a series of robotic missions to the Moon to prepare for and support future human exploration activities;
Conduct the first extended human expedition to the lunar surface as early as 2015, but no later than the year 2020; and
Use lunar exploration activities to further science, and to develop and test new approaches, technologies, and systems, including use of lunar and other space resources, to support sustained human space exploration to Mars and other destinations.
Mars and Other Destinations

Conduct robotic exploration of Mars to search for evidence of life, to understand the history of the solar system, and to prepare for future human exploration;
Conduct robotic exploration across the solar system for scientific purposes and to support human exploration. In particular, explore Jupiter’s moons, asteroids and other bodies to search for evidence of life, to understand the history of the solar system, and to search for resources;
Conduct advanced telescope searches for Earth-like planets and habitable environments around other stars;
Develop and demonstrate power generation, propulsion, life support, and other key capabilities required to support more distant, more capable, and/or longer duration human and robotic exploration of Mars and other destinations; and
Conduct human expeditions to Mars after acquiring adequate knowledge about the planet using robotic missions and after successfully demonstrating sustained human exploration missions to the Moon.
C. Space Transportation Capabilities Supporting Exploration
Develop a new crew exploration vehicle to provide crew transportation for missions beyond low Earth orbit;
Conduct the initial test flight before the end of this decade in order to provide an operational capability to support human exploration missions no later than 2014;
Separate to the maximum practical extent crew from cargo transportation to the International Space Station and for launching exploration missions beyond low Earth orbit
Acquire cargo transportation as soon as practical and affordable to support missions to and from the International Space Station; and
Acquire crew transportation to and from the International Space Station, as required, after the Space Shuttle is retired from service.
D. International and Commercial Participation
Pursue opportunities for international participation to support U.S. space exploration goals; and
Pursue commercial opportunities for providing transportation and other services supporting the International Space Station and exploration missions beyond low Earth orbit.
Goals and Objectives

The fundamental goal of this vision is to advance U.S. scientific, security, and economic interests through a robust space exploration program. In support of this goal, the United States will:

Implement a sustained and affordable human and robotic program to explore the solar system and beyond;
Extend human presence across the solar system, starting with a human return to the Moon before the year 2020, in preparation for human exploration of Mars and other destinations;
Develop the innovative technologies, knowledge, and infrastructures both to explore and to support decisions about the destinations for human exploration; and
Promote international and commercial participation in exploration to further U.S. scientific, security, and economic interests.
Goals and Objectives

The fundamental goal of this vision is to advance U.S. scientific, security, and economic interests through a robust space exploration program. In support of this goal, the United States will:

Implement a sustained and affordable human and robotic program to explore the solar system and beyond;
Extend human presence across the solar system, starting with a human return to the Moon before the year 2020, in preparation for human exploration of Mars and other destinations;
Develop the innovative technologies, knowledge, and infrastructures both to explore and to support decisions about the destinations for human exploration; and
Promote international and commercial participation in exploration to further U.S. scientific, security, and economic interests.


Enjoy!

Qivalon~

PS I apologize before hand for the formatting.

Meanwhile, there’s still no cure for cancer.

[quote]ZEB wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
ZEB wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
ZEB wrote:
WOW!

Just think water on other planets. Who knows, several trillion more dollars and we might even get a distorted photo of that water…

I’m pumped!

yea. What will religion say if we find life on other planets…

Fuck it, lets not bother trying to unravel life’s mysteries, and lets spend more money on overturning South American governments and killing Arabs.

You really hit the nail on the head there Zeb. I expect nothing less…

And I’ve come to expect nothing less of you than to attack any and all who have more than you, done more than you and know more than you.

See ya kid!
:wink:

I’m attacking you because you are quick to rely on the Bible for everything, and you are sarcastic as soon as anything involving science comes up, and you pretty much call it a waste of money. Funny how that works.

It wasn’t people like me that burned Galileos.

You may not have noticed because you are so busy with your nutty left wing rants, I don’t bring up the Bible unless someone else does first.

Run…go check it out.

Also, I’m a very logical guy. NASA spends a great deal of money each year. Please show me exactly what we are getting for it, besides fuzzy pictures of distant galaxies?

You know Irish we could spend this money feeding all those kids who will not be dying from abortion once the Bush court overturns Roe V Wade…

And…that will happen![/quote]

It will be a cold day in hell when the court overturns it.

The religious right will have to bite the bullet. Sorry.

[quote]tveddy wrote:
The biggest technology “boom” in the history of the world came from pouring money into the space program in the 70’s. I think that there should be a lot more money being put into the space program than there currently is.[/quote]

Idiot propaganda. It’s not true.

NASA budget should be about 1/20th what it is now and our millitary budget should be about a quarter. The rest of government should be about 1/2 what it is. So much waste out of our pockets (and for future generations to pay for).

The Hubble was the one thing NASA did that was worth while (and kinda cool) and they are going to let it die. Great.

[quote]Cthulhu wrote:
Meanwhile, there’s still no cure for cancer.[/quote]

This might give you hope for those cancer victims:

http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2002/30sept_spacemedicine.htm

Here is a portion of the article:


NASA-funded scientists are crafting microscopic vessels that can venture into the human body and repair problems one cell at a time.

Antioxidants like vitamins C and A can help by sopping up radiation-produced particles before they can do any harm. NASA scientists are also looking for ways to help the body after the damage has been done. One, for example, may have found a way to instruct a damaged, abnormal cell to destroy itself.

Another researcher is exploring the cell cycle: as a cell divides, it pauses occasionally, to check its genes for any kind of damage and to repair errors. With pharmaceuticals that lengthen this part of the cycle, researchers believe they can give the cell more of a chance to fix its own problems.

Enjoy!

Qivalon~

[quote]kellyc wrote:
tveddy wrote:
The biggest technology “boom” in the history of the world came from pouring money into the space program in the 70’s. I think that there should be a lot more money being put into the space program than there currently is.

Idiot propaganda. It’s not true.

NASA budget should be about 1/20th what it is now and our millitary budget should be about a quarter. The rest of government should be about 1/2 what it is. So much waste out of our pockets (and for future generations to pay for).

The Hubble was the one thing NASA did that was worth while (and kinda cool) and they are going to let it die. Great.[/quote]

Here is some information about NASA and technologicial advancements that everyone is taking advantage of as we speak. Here is one of those advantages that was found because of the Hubble Telescope.

One small example is the Hubble Space Telescope. Much maligned at first because of its flawed optics, it still produced better photographs than anything here on Earth. Once fixed, it has produced even more startling scientific data which we have only begun to understand and apply. One of the many spinoffs from the Hubble telescope is the use of its Charge Coupled Device (CCD) chips for digital imaging breast biopsies. The resulting device images breast tissue more clearly and efficiently than other existing technologies.

The CCD chips are so advanced that they can detect the minute differences between a malignant or benign tumor without the need for a surgical biopsy. This saves the patient weeks of recovery time and the cost for this procedure is hundreds of dollars vs. thousands for a surgical biopsy. With over 500,000 women needing biopsies a year the economic benefit, per year, is tremendous and it greatly reduces the pain, scarring, radiation exposure, time, and money associated with surgical biopsies.

I found this information here:
http://www.thespaceplace.com/nasa/spinoffs.html

Enjoy!

Qivalon~

[quote]Qivalon wrote:
I don’t post often however space exploration is very close to my heart; so I will start off by saying that those of you who have ever used a computer, a cell phone, a calculator, or have used a wireless network please feel free to thank NASA and the other space agencies.[/quote]

And don’t forget the digital camera; if it weren’t for Astronomy there would be many less progress pics on this site.

That could be a good thing, mind you.

Now seriously, faced with the decision of exploring space or invading foreign countries…I’m not sure what I would do. It would be a toss up. It’s just too difficult a choice. Just look at the benefits we’ve obtained from both of them in the past.

Decisions, decisions…

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

It wasn’t people like me that burned Galileos.[/quote]

Italian?

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

The religious right will have to bite the bullet. Sorry.[/quote]

You really think so?

I think it might happen under this court.

However, I think just one more justice leaving will make it a certainty… And I think that will happen before Bush leaves office.

And when it does…

Don’t forget the WMAP, which gave us incredibly accurate cosmological data. We now know the age and composition of the universe to a great degree. There are also many other orbiting instruments gathering data in x-rays, gamma rays, ultraviolet, and infrared.

But, those of you who think that NASA’s funding should be cut do have a valid point. It is not the most efficient organization, and they could certainly get by with less money, but, that’s a whole 'nother topic… Someone said it before: the government has gotten so big that there is no easy mechanism to shrink it.

However, if we totally cut funding for this kind of science (some call it “curiosity-driven” science), then we might as well just cut all the funding for the arts as well, and become a great philistine military-industrial machine. We live in a fascinating universe, and as humans we have always desired to know how it works. Exploration, be it physical or intellectual, has driven progress since we first discovered fire and began making tools. We are on the brink of many great things (nanotechnology, artificial intelligence, space travel, discovering gravitational waves, etc), and to stop now would be rediculous.

Also, the fact is that the U.S. is falling behind the rest of the world in terms of scientific output, and if the anti-intellectualism which seems to be rising takes hold and impedes our progress, then we will be watching as the rest of the world paves the way into the future (and takes the economic rewards which are bound to follow…)

[quote]MODOK wrote:
Anyone who thinks this is NOT a NASA beg for more funding, I’ve got some nice, used Metabolic Drive to sell you.[/quote]

Ha ha…most excellent post!